I am trying to trace my husbands great grandfather who was born in Whitecroft in the FOD.
He appears on the 1881 census age 60 married (wife 27yrs) living in South Shields County Durham. He has 3 children he states he was born in Whitecroft and his occupation is a coal trimmer. I cannot find any marriage certificate for him and Frances Tombling she lived in Seaham so I cannot find the name of his father

I have looked on the births search but do not know what churches were in Whitecroft at that time. I have a copy of his death certificate and he died on the 27th March 1891 it states his age as 67yrs the informant was his daughter. On the 1891 census his wife is left with 6 children. He would have came up North to find work in the many pits.

I am coming to Gloucester next week and we will be visiting Whitecroft to see where he was born I am also going to the Gloucestershire Archives. Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated
Many thanks
Angela

Hi Angela and a warm welcome to the forum.

I'm a Jones from Dean, and last year I researched miners in Seaham, but sadly thats where my "speciallist" knowledge ends on this query. However hopefully we'll be able to help you.

To recap, heres the 1881 Census in full, from LDS

"England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: George Jones
Age (Original): 60
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1821
Birthplace: Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Trimmer
Address: 49 Princess Street
Event Place: Westoe, Durham, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342207
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5014 / 84
Page Number: 55
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head George Jones M 60 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England
Wife Frances Jones F 27 Seaham Harbour, Durham, England
Daughter Emma Jones F 4 South Shields, Durham, England
Son Thomas Jones M 3 South Shields, Durham, England
Daughter Jane Thompson Jones F 0 South Shields, Durham, England

Sadly for us both, and as I'm sure you know, Jones is statistically the most common surname in the Forest, and George isn't rare either !. At least the Whitecroft record is a good start, more precise than many.
Unfortunately I don't have full access to the Censuses, but looking at this site and also LDS for the 1861 Census these are my initial favourites assuming George is still in the area

"England and Wales Census, 1861"
Name: George Jones
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Lydney, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Chepstow
Sub-District: 3 Lydney
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Parish: Lydney
Residence County: Monmouthshire

Name: George Jones
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: St Briavels Gloucester
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Chepstow
Sub-District: 3 Lydney
Ecclesiastical Parish: Gloucester
Parish: Woolaston
Residence County: Monmouthshire

HOWEVER there are quite a few possibles, but these two seem mostlikely given age & location, both near Whitecroft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitecroft

But see all these too !
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Age...

Searching this FoD site's PRs gives 16 George Jones baptised 1821-1825, I prefer these:

Record_ID: 36932
Entry_Number: 567
Year: 1824
Month: Apr
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lidney
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Wm. Jones
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 71
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: J520

OR

Record_ID: 59273
Entry_Number: 283
Year: 1824
Month: Mar
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lower Meend
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: James Dighton Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 36
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: J520

As Whitecroft's Chapel didnt exist before 1824, it seems likely George would have been Baptised at nearby Bream, Parkend or Lydney. (Of course thats if he was baptised soon after birth, if at all.)
If you "locate" Bream on this map, zoom out to see Whitecroft just to it's northeast, the map shows the various chapels in the area. Then as now Lydney was a bigger, older town, being a port on the Severn.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/maps/parishmap.php

This website has reminiscinces & photos of Whitecroft including the Chapel.
http://www.coghlan.co.uk/whitecroft.html

The Chapel was the first Wesleyan Methodist Chapel in the Forest, in 1824,
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23273

Also see
http://www.westdeanpc.org.uk/whitecroft/
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Stories_Articles/Sixty_Years_Behind_the_Counter...

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Angela, I too havn't been able to find the Marriage Record between George and Frances. However I'm intrigued by the name of their youngest (?) child, Jane Thompson Jones. Could the Thompson be a surname clue perhaps to Frances' family ?. I ask as to properly trace George's birth then we need to track him thro the Censuses as best we can, so all clues can help.

Again using FamilySearch, searching the 1841 Census for George gives several possibilities !!.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Age...

???

UPDATE:
Foolishly I forgot I had the 1851 census on cd.
Checking that gives, again, a few "possibles" including in Newland which is not too far from Whitecroft and by far the oldest Church in the area, bearing in mind 1824 or so (I wish we were certain) was early days in terms of Dean chapels & church building. However PURELY based on location how's this household seem to you ?.

Clearwell is very near Whitecroft, then again they could easily have travelled all over the Dean in George's lifetime before 1851.

2444 1851 CENSUS HO107/2444 FF.0026-0041 ED.2A COLEFORD 1
Piece: 2444 Folio: 0030 Schedule: 005

Address: Clearwell

JONES Jane HD W 60 Ag. Lab. Widdow GLS Newland (c1791)
JONES George SO U 30 Ag. Lab. GLS Newland (c1821)
JONES Mary GD - 6 - GLS Newland (c1845)

????

The correct way to narrow down all these possibilities is to trace them all thro the various Censuses etc, but this is beyond my ability I'm afraid.

Hope this helps if only a little,
wishing you a pleasant trip to the Dean next week,
Jeff

I wonder if he has a brother John born around 1828/1834

1871 Allerton Bywater Yorkshire
John Jones 43 FoD
Harriet Jones 27 FoD
Elizabeth E Jones 9 FoD
Fanny Jones 7 Staffordshire
William Jones 5
Anne Jones 2
George Jones 48 FoD

1881
John Jones abt 1841 Wolverston, Gloucestershire, England Head Kimberworth, Yorkshire
Harriet Jones abt 1843 Yorkshireby, Gloucestershire, England Wife
William Jones abt 1867 Methley, Yorkshire, England Son
Annie Jones abt 1869 Newton Williams, Yorkshire, England Daughter
Elizabeth Jones abt 1872 Allerton Bywater, Yorkshire, England Daughter
Sarah Jones abt 1876 Masbro, Yorkshire, England Daughter
Mary Harriett Jones abt 1880 Masbro, Yorkshire, England Daughter

1891 Kimberworth Rotherham
John Jones57 FoD
Harriet Jones47 Yorkley FoD
Elizabeth Jones20
Sarah Jones15
Harriett Jones11
John Henry Jones9
Nellie Jones7
Ernest Jones4

1901 Kimberworth Rotherham
Harriet Jones58
John H Jones19
Nellie Jones17
Ernest Jones14

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Name:Matthew Woodhouse & Frances Jones
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1898
Registration District:South Shields
Inferred County:Durham
Volume Number:10a
Page Number:1183

1901
Matthew Woodhouse abt 1855 South Shields, Durham, England Head South Shields, Durham
Francis Woodhouse abt 1856 Seaham Harbour, Durham, England Wife South Shields, Durham
Thomas Jones abt 1878 South Shields, Durham, England Stepson South Shields, Durham
Jane Jones abt 1880 South Shields, Durham, England Stepdaughter South Shields, Durham
John G Jones abt 1888 South Shields, Durham, England Stepson South Shields, Durham

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I must try and work quicker!

"I wonder if he has a brother John born around 1828/1834"

Brother John?

Record_ID: 74166
Entry_Number: 585
Year: 1836
Month: Jun
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Thos Vores Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 74
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston

and

Record_ID: 14695
Entry_Number: 484
Year: 1861
Month: Sep
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Pillowell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: KNIGHT
Brides_Forenames: Harriet
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Whitecroft
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Knight
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Henry Jones
Witness_2: Henry Gunter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: [illegible] Ebsworth
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Incumbent
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 242
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

"I have a copy of his death certificate and he died on the 27th March 1891 it states his age as 67yrs the informant was his daughter"

Are you able to share the name of his daughter?

Wow !, thanks gents, great work, very cunning indeed.

First, for Angela's benefit, the 1881 Census transcript posted by supersleuth Slowhands quoting "Wolverston Glos" as place of birth for John should read Woolaston, on the Severn very near Lydney & Whitecroft (I don't know any Wolverston in our County at all).

Secondly, I've tried searching out John in my 1851 Census cd and think this is him, a close match for Paul's suggestion born 1836. (I cannot see any households with a George in too). As well as being clearly the best match wrt parents, witness & locality out of several "possibles" in the Census, it also nicely echos the 1881 mention of Woolaston.

2443 1851 CENSUS HO107/2443 FF.0482-0494 ED.1A LYDNEY 3
Piece: 2443 Folio: 0491 Schedule: 058
Address: Woollastone

JONES James HD M 53 Ag Lab GLS Hewelsfield (c1798)
JONES Mary WI M 46 - GLS Thornbury (c1805)
JONES James SO U 27 Ag Lab GLS Hewelsfield (c1824)
JONES Daniel SO U 23 Ag Lab GLS Hewelsfield (c1828)
JONES Sarah DA U 21 - GLS Hewelsfield (c1830)
JONES Frances DA U 19 - GLS Hewelsfield (c1832)
JONES John SO U 17 Ag Lab GLS Hewelsfield (c1834)
JONES William SO - 15 Ag Lab GLS Woollastone [Woolaston] (c1836)
JONES Henery SO - 13 - GLS Woollastone [Woolaston] (c1838)
JONES Vensennon DA - 11 - GLS Woollastone [Woolaston] (c1840)
JONES Emma DA - 7 - GLS Woollastone [Woolaston] (c1844)
JONES Harriet DA - 3 - GLS Woollastone [Woolaston] (c1848)

A shame they're not miners but this is before the mining boon really took off. Given the size of the family perhaps no surprise if one of the eldest brothers might have flown the nest ?

I've also found the above household on my 1841 Census cd, not the best quality scan but it's clear that the oldest child present is Sarah, sadly no George or even James & Daniel in this instance, perhaps they are all together elsewhere ?.

Many and more of the above Baptisms can be found on this FoD site's PRs, the earliest are at Hewelsfield Chapel with the family resident in the Hart Hill & Brockweir Common areas.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Hewelsfield/Gaz1868.html

Searching the Jones marriages for grooms Jones, father James, hoping to find a witness George but no luck. However Henry b1838 is living in WHITECROFT when he marries:

Record ID 14669
Entry Number 458
Year 1860
Month Apr
Day 28
Grooms Surname JONES
Grooms Forenames Henry
Grooms Age 22
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation Collier
Grooms Residence Whitecroft
Grooms Fathers Surname Jones
Grooms Fathers Forenames James
Grooms Fathers Occupation Labourer
Brides Surname BLANCH
Brides Forenames Amelia
Brides Age 22
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence Whitecroft
Brides Fathers Surname Blanch
Brides Fathers Forenames Stephen
Brides Fathers Occupation Cordwainer
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark both mark
Witness 1 James Wintle Blanch
Witness 2 Esther James
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister [illegible] Ebsworth
Event Marriage
Memoranda Incumbent
Notes
Register Reference P145 IN 1/20
Page Number 229
Parish Chapel Parkend

Also:

Record ID 28142
Entry Number 137
Year 1851
Month Apr
Day 13
Grooms Surname JONES
Grooms Forenames William
Grooms Age Full
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation Fireman
Grooms Residence Hewelsfield
Grooms Fathers Surname Jones
Grooms Fathers Forenames James
Grooms Fathers Occupation Labourer
Brides Surname WYATT
Brides Forenames Amelia
Brides Age Full
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence Hewelsfield
Brides Fathers Surname Wyatt
Brides Fathers Forenames Charles
Brides Fathers Occupation Labourer
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns [not stated]
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 Mark of William Bird
Witness 2 Mark of Mary A. Jones
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Ferdinand W. Becker.
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P175 IN 1/7
Page Number 69
Parish Chapel Hewelsfield

I must try and work quicker!

"I wonder if he has a brother John born around 1828/1834"

Brother John?

Record_ID: 74166
Entry_Number: 585
Year: 1836
Month: Jun
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Thos Vores Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 74
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston

and

Record_ID: 14695
Entry_Number: 484
Year: 1861
Month: Sep
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Pillowell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: KNIGHT
Brides_Forenames: Harriet
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Whitecroft
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Knight
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Henry Jones
Witness_2: Henry Gunter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: [illegible] Ebsworth
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Incumbent
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 242
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

No George yet (!)

1841 Woolaston
James Jones 40
Mary Jones 30
Sarah Jones 9
Fanny Jones 7
John Jones5
William Jones 4
Henry Jones2
Ben Cention1

1861
John Jones abt 1837 Wollastone, Gloucestershire, EnglandLodgerBarton St Michael, Gloucestershire
Margaret Jones abt 1839 Wollastone, Gloucestershire, EnglandWifeBarton St Michael, Gloucestershire
Angelina Jones abt 1861Gloucestershire, EnglandDaughterBarton St Michael, Gloucestershire

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Hello Paul
Many thanks for information what a fantastic site, just came upon it by chance, trying to digest all of the information received

On the death certificate it states E Jones it could be Emma Jones she would have been about 24 or it could also have been Eliza aged about 17. He died at home 12 Edward St
Westoe South Shields
Manny thanks Angela

Hello Jeff
Thanks for info. will take a while to digest all information. What a fantastic site. I have no idea where the Thompson comes from in their childs name as Frances Tomblings mother was called Emma Duckworth and her father John they were born in Ripon. Could not trace her fathers parents he was also called John Tombling and he was born in Wiffin Norfolk. So the Thompson name is baffling.
I also came across the 1871 census and thought this could be him and maybe a brother
living in Allerton Bywater Yorkshire but got no further the ages matched but as you say George Jones is such a common name in the FOD. Will let you know how I get on , cannot thank you enough.

M<any thanks
Angela

Forgot to say maybe they didn't marry it states on the census married but I have tried all of the registry offices in this area and looked at microfilms of all marriages and drew a blank. He was a lot older than her maybe he had been married before it is quite possible.
Regards Angela

Hello I also found the 1871 census of a George in Allerton Bywater and thought this could be him but then drew a blank as I had no way to back it up. It will take a while to digest and understand all of the information I have received and then decide what I have to do next. I also knew that Frances Jones remarried a Matthew Woodhouse on the 18th Sept 1898 she also lost a son the same year as her husband in 1891 he was under one year old. She must have had a tough life.Cannot thank you all enough for the information, will keep you up to date on how I get on

Many thanks

Angela

In 1881 George's daughter Emma is aged 4. When George died in 1891 his daughter Emma would have been 14 and his daughter Eliza 7.

1891 England Census
12 Edward St
Westoe
Durham
District 25a
RG12/4157; Folio: 102; Page: 48

Francis Jones - Head - Widow - 40 - Charwoman - Durham, Hylton
Emma Jones - daur - 14 - Durham, South Shields
Thomas Jones - son - 13 - Scholar - Durham, South Shields
Jane Jones - daur - 9 - Scholar - Durham, South Shields
Eliza Jones - daur - 7 - Scholar - Durham, South Shields
George Jones - son - 3 - Durham, South Shields
Isaac Jones - son - 4 mo - Durham, South Shields

The reason I asked if you knew the name of the informant was because I thought that Emma at 14 years would have been young to give the information to the registrar, and I wondered if there was another older child. On reflection, considering Frances' situation with such a young family, I accept that Emma was probably the informant.

PS

Just read your last post to S where you mention the death of Isaac in 1891. Confirms my comment above about Frances' young family.

Hi Slowhands & Paul, thanks for confirming the 1841 Census, my cd scans weren't too clear. Please can you comment on the following, thanks.

1. As per my suggestion above, I realise it's a very difficult search but is there any point in trying to find eldest brothers James born Hewelsfield c1824 and Daniel born Hewelsfield c1828 in the 1841 Census, I can't help think they'll be together and I wonder if this will lead us to find George if indeed he is their brother ??

I've searched this site's Marriage PRs for both James and Daniel, father James, but no luck thus far; I wonder if they've moved away from the area and perhaps taken George too ?

I guess it's almost impossible given their names but one lives in hope ??

From this site's 1841 Census data, which I'm still struggling to piece into households, could these be them ?, if so where:

JONES Daniel 10 HEWELSFIELD 3 365/7 5 (so born abt 1831-??)
JONES James 17 WOOLASTON COMMON 3A 369/6 22

(However there's also this older James, I think(?) in the same household (wrt the numbers ?)
JONES James 40 WOOLASTON COMMON 3A 369/6 22

Assuming that common folio numbers do indicate a household ?, then the rather more searcher-friendly youngest member or "our" James & Mary Jones household is elsewehere:
JONES Vencention (fem) 1 WOOLASTON 3A 369/6 6
(This name appears similar to my 1841 Census image which was a very poor one).
So it looks like the above mentioned James aged 17 is either a different family, or ours but maybe lodging with his employer ?. Difficult !

2. What, if any, are your thoughts re which Church or Chapel George b1824 might have been Baptised at ?. I suspect you already know what the choice was in the area at that time, whereas I'd have to research the local history (not my patch at all) and then still only make a lessthaneducated guess.

I'm thinking about Angela's visit to the area this weekend.

Thanks in hopeful anticipation, Jeff.
(Still impressed you found John etc !)

PS Re the unusual but refreshingly helpfull daughter's name above, from this site's PRs:

Record_ID: 74268
Entry_Number: 687
Year: 1839
Month: Dec
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Vincentia
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woolaston
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: C Bryan
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: daughter of
Notes: In this record a forename was not clear so the best guess was given. Birth register shows Vincension
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 86
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston
Soundex: J520

I cannot find any later Marriage or Death for her on any website.

Hi Paul
On the death certificate it does state daughter E Jones and yes you are right she would have only been 14years and not 24yrs my mistake
Thanks
Angela

Brother?

The 1871 England Census return for Allerton Bywater, Yorkshire reads:

Victoria Street No. 48
Allerton Bywater
John Jones - Head - Mar - 43 - Coal Miner - Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean
Harriet Jones - Wife - Mar - 27 - Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean
Elizabeth E Jones - Daughter - 9 - Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean
Fanny Jones - Daur - 7 - Staffordshire, Hill Top
William Jones - Son - 5 - Yorkshire, Newton in the Willows
Anne Jones - Daur - 2 - Yorkshire, Newton in the Willows
George Jones - Visitor - 48 - Coal Miner - Gloucestershire, Forest of Dean

Unfortunately the return does not give the relationship between John Jones and George Jones, instead listing him simply as a visitor.

Thanks Paul,
The Forums help is greatly appreciated. I have been planning the trip to FOD for a while in the hope I could get some info from the archives but the forum is brilliant wish I had found it earlier. I will print out all information and see what I should do next.
Many thanks
Angela

Thanks Paul,
yes I realise it does look rather compelling evidence that this is the correct family, but as yet no certainty that George is a brother. I'm asking as I, like you gents, would very much like to be able to confirm to Angela that she'll definitely be on the right trail when she visits; I even dreamt about this search after finishing my searches last night !.

Atb Jeff.

Hello again
Your info on the 1851 census seems very interesting as Clearwell is close to Whitecroft. I will research this area and try and trace them through the census. One of his daughters was called Jane could just be coincidence. I am only new to this game and I am learning as I go on. Thanks to you all
Angela

2. What, if any, are your thoughts re which Church or Chapel George b1824 might have been Baptised at ?. I suspect you already know what the choice was in the area at that time, whereas I'd have to research the local history (not my patch at all) and then still only make a lessthaneducated guess.

I'm thinking about Angela's visit to the area this weekend.

Thanks in hopeful anticipation, Jeff.
(Still impressed you found John etc !)

Parkend is where I would look for a CoE Baptism, followed by Lydney and Bream

If the family is non conformist then one of the Methodist transcriptions ( or similar) such as Coleford or Monmouth Wesleyan

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Thanks for your help and the research you have carried out. Will try and look for information on the churches you suggested when I go to the archives in Gloucester. It would have been a lot easier if I found a marriage but somehow don't think they married
Many thanks
Angela

I will be visiting the FOD and the archives in Gloucester next week and will be taking with me information from the members of the forum. I am very grateful for the help you have given me.