'in another thread 'Slowhands' found PALMERS at Temple Farm for another researcher'

Ancestry Probate Records

PALMER Ann

Effects under £3,000

29 August

The Will of Ann PALMER late of the Temple in the Parish of Littledean in the County of Gloucester, Widow who died 14 February 1876 at the Temple was proved at Gloucester by John PALMER of Swindon Farm near Cheltenham in the said County Farmer and Joseph Benjamin PALMER of Llanvihangel Torymynydd near Chepstow in the County of Monmouth Farmer the Sons two of the Executors.

Many thanks Jeff for your help - but my head's nearly done in. A bit mixed up? - me? - very likely!
Yes the owner has been a great help & very kind as no doubt she's a busy lady.
The oldmap site has been terrific. I had looked at it before but didn't really get it. But with perseverance I have found Grove Farm, Camp Farm, Tibbs Cross Farm, Grove Style Farm, Temple Farm & Elton Farm where some Palmer/Bullocks lived. I even found another Grove Farm near Camp Farm! As you say a common farm name. Re 'The Plough' it could refer to ploughed land perhaps? It's a shame the old maps can't be printed out.
I have yet to check your refs to Tibbs Cross or Directories.
Once again many thanks.
Kath

Many thanks also Slowhands.The map & pic are great.
What you say makes sense but now I'm doubly confused because I have evidence of a Mrs Palmer in 1871 selling that Grove Farm to the NE of L'dean up on Flaxley Rd.
I suspect there were more Palmer families in the area than I first thought:
I have 'my' John & Mary (Bellamy)Palmer at Grove Farm;
JP's son John & Ann Palmer (cousins)at Temple Farm;
JP's dau Caroline & Edward Palmer (cousins)at Flaxley Mill;
JP's dau Ann & Sam Bullock at Elton Farm E of Camp Farm.
mpg has sent census records which I've yet to (hopefully) transcribe before putting on the forum -when I figure out how to do so.
1881 shows Flaxley Grove Farm, Flaxley Moores Farm & Flaxley Tibbs Cross bracketed with an annotation 'Amalgamated with Little Dean'. Sadly no Palmers were living there.
1871 shows only Tibbs Cross, & Flaxley Mill has Palmers but no Grove Farm.
1841 shows the same.
I must hasten slowly...
Kath

Will of JOHN PALMER of FLAXLEY 02.02.1812

In the Name of God Amen I JOHN PALMER of the Parish of FLAXLEY in the County of Gloucester Yeoman being weak in Body but of sound and disposing Mind Memory and understanding for which I am deeply thankful to Almighty God do make Publish and declare this – my last Will and Testament in manner following that is to say, I give Devise and bequeath unto my Son JOHN PALMER all and singular those my several Nurseries Pieces or Parcels of Land together with the Stock and Trees growing and being thereon and all the other Trees Planted by me situate lying standing and being at or near a Place called THE CAMP and adjoining the Road leading from THE PLOUGH to LITTLEDEAN in the said County And also all that my Garden or Nursery with the Stocks and Trees standing and growing therein situate and being at a Place called the GROVE STILE and TIBBS CROSS in the Hundreds of Saint Briavells in the said County of Gloucester To hold to my said SON JOHN PALMER his Heirs Executors administrators and assigns according to the nature and quality of such Estate respectively and according to such Estate and Interest that I may have therein at the time of my decease And as to all my ready Money Securities for Money Corn Hay Stock of Cattle Implements in Husbandry Goods Chattels Personal Estate and Effects whatsoever after Payment of all my just Debts and Funeral Expences I give and bequeath the same unto my good Friends JOHN BELLAMY of STONEHOUSE in the County of Gloucester Yeoman and

p.2 BENJAMIN PALMER of NEWNHAM in the said County Gentleman In Trust nevertheless to Permit and suffer my dear WIFE MARY PALMER to occupy and enjoy the use of all my House-hold Goods and Furniture stock of Cattle Implements and utensils in Husbandry for and during the Term of her natural life (In case she so long continue my Widow and from and after the decease or Marriage of my said Wife as aforesaid Then upon Trust for the use and benefit of such Child or Children and of my said wife as my said Trustees shall think proper) Give and bequeath unto my DAUGHTER SARAH PALMER the sum of one hundred and Fifty Pounds I give unto my said SON JOHN PALMER the sum of one hundred and Fifty Pounds I give unto my DAUGHTER ANN PALMER THE sum of one Hundred and Fifty Pounds I give unto my son Esau Palmer the sum of one Hundred and
I give unto my DAUGHTER HARRIET PALMER the sum of one Hundred and Fifty Pounds
Fifty Pounds ˄ I give unto my Daughter Caroline the sum of one hundred and Fifty Pounds my Daughter MARY PALMER (having been Provided for by her Grand Mother) to be Paid to them by my said Trustees when and as soon as they shall respectively attain the age of Twenty one years or day or Days of Marriage or when and as soon as my said Trustees shall think proper If sufficient Property for that purpose And Lastly I do hereby nominate constitute and appoint the said John BELLAMY and Benjamin PALMER and my said Wife Mary PALMER Executors and Executrix of

p.3 this my Will In Witness whereof I have to this my last Will and Testament contained on one sheet of Paper set my Hand and Seal this second day of February in the Year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and Twelve
Signed Sealed Published and declared by the said Testator John Palmer as and for his last Will and Testament in the Presence of us who at his request in his Presence and in the Presence and sight of each other have subscribed our names as witnesses thereto; [signed] John PALMER Wm GOUGH Richd FRAMES Jno BELLAMY Junr
23rd January 1813 The said John BELLAMY & Benjamin PALMER the Executors were duly Sworn before me [signed] Chas. PALMER Sur. Under £1500

Benjamin PALMER of the parish of NEWNHAM in the County of Gloucester ?Swears maketh Oath and saith that he was personally present and did see the several obliterations ?interlineations and erasures in the last Will and Testament of John PALMER late of the parish of Flaxley in the County of Gloucester Yeoman deceased made before the executor such ?like and that the same was done at his particular request in the presence of this deponent

Sworn in the County of Gloucester this 23 January [signed] B PALMER 1813 by and before me [signed] ?Tho GARDNER ?…

[John PALMER d/bur 26.07.1812; Wife Mary nee BELLAMY aged 35; Dau Mary 18 (poss wid); Dau Sarah 16; Son John 12; Dau Ann 7; Son Esau 5 (my g x 2 GF of Ross); Dau Harriet 3; Son Joseph b/bap 16.05.1813, 10 mths after JP died.
His dau Mary’s grandmother was Mary BELLAMY nee GOUGH; have her will of 02.08.1833]

Thank you all for your wonderful findings.

Here is transcript of part of a GROVE FARM FLAXLEY Catalogue of the farm to be sold by auction under instructions from Mrs PALMER 1871. Until I began typing I had missed the clue to the exact position of said farm i.e.'ONE MILE FROM NEWNHAM STATION'![I realize the station no longer exists].

The catalogue was sent to me by the present owner of a GROVE FARM in 'in Westbury Parish but Newnham postcode'.Whether the document relates to her farm I do not know. But it does show that a PALMER lived at Grove Farm Flaxley in 1871.

“GROVE FARM FLAXLEY
One Mile from the Newnham Station
CATALOGUE
OF THE VALUABLE
LIVE AND DEAD STOCK
Ricks of Hay and Clover etc
90 ACRES GRASS-KEEP
Agricultural Implements etc
BRUTON, KNOWLES & BRUTON
Have received instructions from Mrs PALMER
who is quitting the Farm and declining business, to
Sell by Auction, on Tuesday, 24th Oct. 1871…”

I will enc a transcript of John PALMER's 1812 will in another post. As well as showing his children it includes other names that might benefit someone.

Kath

The more you share/uncover the more it narrows the search area down !

So the Plough Inn was believed to be on teh Elton Rd, near Elton corner ( the junction of the roman Gloucester - Chepstow road with the roman road leading up to Littledean http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/142522 )
1851 Elton {Plough Inn}
Sarah Barnett abt 1796 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Widow Grocer & InnKeeper
The Plough was probably closed by 1861 and possibly became the Travellers Rest
1871 Elton Travellers Rest
Charles Mitchell abt 1816 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Head

A group of cottages, mostly in stone but including two with timber frames, stands along the parish boundary on the road below Pope's Hill in the area known as Blackmore's Hale. Blackmore's Hale Green was mentioned in 1591; (fn. 26) there were at least four houses there by 1639, (fn. 27) and in the later 17th century the tithing was sometimes known as Elton and Blackmore's Hale. (fn. 28) One of the cottages there housed the Plough Inn in 1788 and until c. 1880. (fn. 29) There is another small group of cottages near Upper Hall, all of them of brick with the exception of a derelict timber-framed cottage of one story and dormered attic with a lateral stone chimney with projecting bake-oven. Another projecting bake-oven survives at an L-shaped timber-framed cottage with a gabled dormer south of the Littledean road. A small cottage further east was the Traveller's Rest Inn in 1839 and until at least 1891. (fn. 30)

From: 'Westbury-on-Severn: Introduction', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 10: Westbury and Whitstone Hundreds (1972), pp. 79-85. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=15765 Date accessed: 06 August 2013.

Elton farm is 3/4 mile along this road from Elton corner / Plough?

The Camp is 1 1/4 mile along today the Greyhound Inn is a marker to look for http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1640306

The eastern boundary with part of Flaxley took in Littledean Camp, a small earthwork probably of the late 11 th century or early 12th, which has been identified as 'the old castle of Dean' recorded in the mid 12th century. (fn. 15) The earthwork was acquired in 1987 by the Dean Heritage museum.

From: 'Littledean', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 159-173. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23258 Date accessed: 06 August 2013.

The Grove / Grove Farm is almost 2 miles up from Elton, or 1/2 mile before you reach Littledean. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/156135 Newnham rail station was to the north west of the village and about 1 mile away. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3193340

Tibbs Cross can be reached by turning right either just after the Grove, heading across Chestnuts, or turning right later at the George / Belfry along George Lane towards Green Bottom / Gun Mills. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1459050

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