Hello,

I am trying to find some information on the son of Albert James and Mary Jane (Carpenter) Drew.
They had 6 children: Stanley Albert (1897), Hilda Jane (1899), Ashley Edward (1903), Jack, Win (Winifred Iris) and Elsie.

I was recently sent a photo of Jack and on the back was written "Ivor Jack" Brother of A. E. Drew. I haven't been able to find any information on Jack or Win and Elsie.

I am hoping someone could help me with this.
Thank you
Gwenn.

Hello,

I am trying to find some information on the son of Albert James and Mary Jane (Carpenter) Drew.
They had 6 children: Stanley Albert (1897), Hilda Jane (1899), Ashley Edward (1903), Jack, Win (Winifred Iris) and Elsie.

I was recently sent a photo of Jack and on the back was written "Ivor Jack" Brother of A. E. Drew. I haven't been able to find any information on Jack or Win and Elsie.

I am hoping someone could help me with this.
Thank you
Gwenn.

1911 Ruspidge

Albert Drew 34
Jane Drew 34
Stanley Drew 14
Hilda Drew 12
Cyril Drew 9
Ashley Drew 7
Winnie Drew 5
Alice Drew 28
Fred Drew 4/12
Sidney Drew 22

DREW Ivor Jack
BEDDIS Doris May
Forest of Dean Forest of Dean Register Office
1939 4 44

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Hello,

I am trying to find some information on the son of Albert James and Mary Jane (Carpenter) Drew.
They had 6 children: Stanley Albert (1897), Hilda Jane (1899), Ashley Edward (1903), Jack, Win (Winifred Iris) and Elsie.

I was recently sent a photo of Jack and on the back was written "Ivor Jack" Brother of A. E. Drew. I haven't been able to find any information on Jack or Win and Elsie.

I am hoping someone could help me with this.
Thank you
Gwenn.

Name:Iver J Drew
Mother's Maiden Surname:Carpenter
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1918
Registration District:Westbury S
Inferred County:Shropshire
Volume Number:6a
Page Number:401

Name:Ivor Jack Drew
Birth Date:12 May 1918
Date of Registration:Jun 1976
Age at Death:58
Registration District:Forest of Dean
Inferred CountyGloucestershire
Volume:22
Page:1687

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Hi Gwenn,

GlosBMD has Winifred's birth and marriage records as;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
DREW Winifred Iris DREW DREW CARPENTER 1906 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 14 432
(FreeBMD further claries this as during the last Oct/Nov/Dec quarter)

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
ROGERS George Henry DREW Winifred Iris Forest of Dean Cinderford St John the Evangelist 1930 4 64

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

From this FoD site's PRs we find Winidred's full marriage record;

Record_ID: 1014499
Entry_Number:
Year: 1930
Month: Jun
Day: 28
Grooms_Surname: ROGERS
Grooms_Forenames: George Henry
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: miner
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: ROGERS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: army
Brides_Surname: DREW
Brides_Forenames: Winifred Iris
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Cinderford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: DREW
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Albert James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: G P Woodman
Witness_2: E E Rogers
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: C Paul Glidden
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 32
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex_Groom: R262
Soundex_Bride: D600

Using Ancestry's free search Winifred Iris Rogers died in "Gloucestershire in 1986". Unfortunately the FoD Burial Enquiries website is currently offline, it may well be worth your revisiting later in case Winifred is resting at Yew Tree Brake Cemetary at Cinderford.
http://www.fdean.gov.uk/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=6707&tt=graphic

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I cannot find husband George Rogers' baptism PR on this site, but his Birth Record from GlosBMD is;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
ROGERS George Henry ROGERS ROGERS ROBERTS 1906 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 14 484

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Also his father, George Henry "senior"

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
ROGERS George Henry ROGERS ROGERS CLARKE 1872 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 29 247

From this FoD PRs site; his full BMD PRs;

Record_ID: 33517
Entry_Number: 289
Year: 1873
Month: Mar
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: ROGERS
Child_Forenames: George Henry
Fathers_Forenames: WIlliam
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Littledean
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: William Lockitt
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 37
Parish_Chapel: Littledean
Soundex: R262

Record_ID: 26166
Entry_Number: 397
Year: 1904
Month: Jan
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: ROGERS
Grooms_Forenames: George Henry
Grooms_Age: 30
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Broadwell Lane End Coleford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Rogers
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William Henry Francis
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Ironworker
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Florrie
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Domestic Servant
Brides_Residence: Broadwell Lane End Coleford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Albert Rogers
Witness_2: Mary Roberts
Other_Witnesses: B. Witts
Officiating_Minister: Edward H. Brice
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 93 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 199
Parish_Chapel: Coleford
Soundex_Groom: R262
Soundex_Bride: R163

Record_ID: 8251
Entry_Number: 1218
Year: 1931
Month: Oct
Day: 14
Surname: ROGERS
Forenames: George Henry
Residence: 78 Dockham R[oa]d
Age_at_death: 59
Officiating_Minister: C Paul Gliddon
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: C/6/3
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15
Page_No: 153
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: R262

More family may be found in this site's PRs.

Gwenn,
from your mention of Elsie Drew I assumed she was a sister to Winifred, however now I think not, please can you clarify ?

A quick search gives this likely Marriage for her from the PRs, also found within GlosBMD, but I cannot find any clear record for her birth/baptism on these two sites or FreeBMD ??

I see a clear family tie with Winifred's husband but apparently the girls have different fathers ?. Unfortunately it looks like her birth c1912 just evades the 1911 Census.

Record_ID: 1014529
Entry_Number:
Year: 1932
Month: Aug
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: ROGERS
Grooms_Forenames: Edward
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: collier
Grooms_Residence: Dockham Rd
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: ROGERS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George Henry
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [decd]
Brides_Surname: DREW
Brides_Forenames: Elsie
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Ruspidge Rd
Brides_Fathers_Surname: DREW
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Robert James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: H J White
Witness_2: P J Rogers
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: A J Kelland off min
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex_Groom: R262
Soundex_Bride: D600

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LATER CORRECTION !

Apologies for probably confusing you, clearly Elsie is Winifred's younger sister.

I now think the above Marriage Record transcript is in error, I suggest you request a check wrt Elsie's fathers' name, I think it should read Albert James not Robert James ?
It's a little odd her full name(Irene) is omitted from the Marriage Record but I do think this is her correct PRs.

Here is her Baptism Record from this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 164506
Entry_Number: 749
Year: 1912
Month: Apr
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: DREW
Child_Forenames: Irene Elsie
Fathers_Forenames: Albert james
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: E. Dean Gloucester
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Francis J. May
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Ruspidge Chapel
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/6
Page_Number: 126
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian
Soundex: D600

Backedup by GlosBMD wrt her mother's maiden name;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
DREW Irene Elsie DREW DREW CARPENTER 1912 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 19 463

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Here is husband Edwards baptism;

Record_ID: 332944
Entry_Number: 504
Year: 1909
Month: Aug
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: ROGERS
Child_Forenames: Edward Emmnanuel
Fathers_Forenames: George Henry
Mothers_Forenames: Florrie
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Littledean Hill
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J Martin Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 63
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen
Soundex: R262

Another "lost" name come his wedding day...
So it does look like the sisters have indeed married brothers.

I cannot find either burials locally, did they move away, perhaps ??

There was another child. Philip Emmanuel Drew born 09.09.1908 Ruspidge and was baptized 30.09.1908 at Cinderford Methodist unfortunately he was buried 02.02.1910 at Cinderford St.John given age 18 months.

Best wishes
Carol

Thank you so much for you help. It is greatly appreciated.

I find two Doris May Beddis. One Baptised in 1907 and the other in 1918.

Would anyone know which one married Ivor Jack Drew?

Thank you
Gwenn

Which Doris, what an unlucky coincidence, now that's tricky !

To recap what you already know,

From GlosBMD & FreeBMD;

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
DREW Ivor Jack BEDDIS Doris May Forest of Dean Forest of Dean Register Office 1939 4 44 (Dec qtr)

Registry Office so no Church PR so no mention of Bride's father/family...

Unfortunately the other Doris also married abt this time and in a Registry Office, so again no clues here;

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WHITE Sidney Eric BEDDIS Doris May Gloucester Gloucester City Register Office 1938 1 240 (Dec qtr)

I don't know if purchasing the Marriage Records will give more details abt the respective father's, I guess they might but don't know for sure.

As you'll know there are no Burial records in this site's PRs for Doris May Drew or Doris May Beddis.

Therefore need to search for deaths of each bride and hope the given ages correspond to the known Baptisms, altho maybe difficult to find if lived to a decent age.... altho of course they might have remarried particularly after WW2.

"Fortunately", if only for us given her too-young age, I can find this Doris May White's burial in this site's PRs, which appears a perfect fit wrt name & locality;

Record_ID: 8968
Entry_Number: 1936
Year: 1940
Month: Jun
Day: 26
Surname: WHITE
Forenames: Doris May
Residence: Dilke Hospital Cinderford
Age_at_death: 32
Officiating_Minister: Breenes Miller
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15
Page_No: 242
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: W300

Suggests this Doris was born abt 1908.
Therefore from this site's PRs this seems to match this Baptism;

Record_ID: 76647
Entry_Number: 2266
Year: 1907
Month: Nov
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: BEDDIS
Child_Forenames: Doris May
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph Edward
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Cinderford Bridge
Occupation: Engine Driver
Officiating_Minister: E Lewis Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Sep 22 1907
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 284
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: B320

From BMD I think I find husband's Death Record,

Deaths Sep 1964 (>99%)
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WHITE SIDNEY E 61 F.OF DEAN 7B 3[35]8

Suggesting also born abt 1903, which seems a fair match to Doris b1907.

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Therefore it appears the "other" Doris married your Jack, namely;

Record_ID: 339730
Entry_Number:
Year: 1918
Month: Oct
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: BEDDIS
Child_Forenames: Doris May
Fathers_Forenames: Sidney Arthur
Mothers_Forenames: Dorothy May
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: The Fernaces Cinderford
Occupation: collier
Officiating_Minister: F W Baldwin vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 52
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: B320

Which again is a good match wrt Jack's 1918 birth.

From Ancestry's free search I can find two Death Records for "Doris May Drew, Gloucestershire", one in 1990, another in 2006.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=34&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MS...

Hopefully someone with full Ancestry access can please advise which, if either, best matches your Doris wrt age and town.
Alternatively it's worth searching the FoD Burials site when that becomes back online, usually it gives age and home address so very useful.
http://www.fdean.gov.uk/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=6707&tt=graphic

atb Jeff

Thank you so much for you help. It is greatly appreciated.

I find two Doris May Beddis. One Baptised in 1907 and the other in 1918.

Would anyone know which one married Ivor Jack Drew?

Thank you
Gwenn

Given Ivor's DoB the Doris born 1918 is the most likely

Name:Doris M Beddis
Mother's Maiden Surname:Bevan
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1918
Registration District:Westbury S
Inferred County:Shropshire
Volume Number:6a
Page Number:374

strong match to

Name:Doris May Drew
Birth Date:29 Sep 1918
Date of Registration:May 2006
Age at Death:88
Registration District:Gloucester
Inferred County:Gloucestershire
Volume:-1
Page-1
Register Number:C73
District and Subdistrict:483/1C
Entry number:253

a Doris May Drew was living in GL14/Cinderford on electoral registers up to 2006 with her son ( mother surname Beddis)( who is also there on 2012, so no names please)

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Thanks S for confirming/clarifying the most likely death record. Pleased to see you back online.

I agree it might seem her date of birth is most likely to be similar to husband Jack's, but hopefully you agree it's better to checkout all permutations thoroughly where possible ?.
I know of couples in my family lines who have enjoyed long, happy and fruitful marriages despite 10 or even 15 year age gaps, I'm sure they're not unique.