Hello all.
I am trying to find the marriage of a Phillip JAMES to a Mary MARSHALL in the FOD

Their 1st child could have been a Phillip JAMES bpt 26-05-1787 in Awre, on the bpt record no mothers surname has been recorded.

But the next child, Hannah JAMES bpt 27-11-1791 has the mothers surname as
nee)( MARSHALL spinster).as well as on the following records.

Mary JAMES bpt 18=05-1794
Thomas JAMES bpt 27-03-1796
John JAMES bpt 01-07-1798
Elizabeth JAMES bpt 01-07-1798 and
Charles JAMES bpt 26-09-1802 all bpt at Awre, the only marriage I can find relates to a Phillip JAMES who married a Mary WANKLYN on the 19-02-1787.

Could this marriage have been an out of the area one???

Many thanks, james ..

The Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD pre 1800 - does not have the marriage.

Checking for family names etc.

Phillip JAMES and Mary MARSHALL's children

Hannah 1791
Mary 1794
Thomas - 1796
Elizabeth 1798
John - 1798 (a John JAMES was witness at Thomas JAMES and Mary VIRGO's wedding
Charles - 1802

Looking at Public Members Tree on Ancestry

Thomas JAMES born 1796 married Mary VIRGO at Awre - 29 May 1823

On the 1851 Census, Oldcroft

JAMES

Thomas - 55 - born Glos Oldcroft
Mary - 52 - born Old Furance
Thomas - 24
Phillip - 18
Joseph -
Harriett - 10

a few doors away

Mary JAMES - Widow age 78 (=c1773) - born Glos Newland

1841 Census Oldcroft

Page 4 of 7

Thos. JAMES - 45, Collier, all born in County
Mary - 40
Thos - 14
Phillip - 8
Joseph - 8
William - 3
Harriet - 6 months

and on page 7 of 7

Sladd (Oldcroft either side)

(could be another Mary JAMES - possible husband George….)

Mary JAMES - 68 - all born in County
Charles - 30 - Collier
Isaac - 27 - Carpenter

Burial at Parkend - 15 October 1832 - George JAMES - age 74 (c1758) - residence : Sladd

?

Baptism at Hope Mansell - 7 June 1772

Mary MARSHALL - daughter of Thomas & Mary (couple of family names???)

residence: Hamlet of Newland

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Thank you very much for your information.

Phillip JAMES is a direct ancestor of mine thro:-

Thomas JAMES = Mary VIRGO,,// Joseph JAMES = Eliza MORSE,, //Charles JAMES = Mary Ann JONES.

I'm stuck as to where to look next, outside of the box???

james

Quickly looking at JAMES' Wills on Ancestry - somewhere there may be clues in Wills….

Mary JAMES of Yorkley who died 2 April 1856 - talks about her Sons Charles, Thomas JAMES & Isaac JAMES - daughters Hannah - wife of Thomas WILLETTS and Sarah wife of John WILLETTS. One of the signatures below the Will is a Philip JAMES - you have a Philip JAMES son in your tree….

The other signatures were: Thomas MORGAN and Robert Mitdon?

Also mentioned is her brother-in-law, William CHARLES. Executors were John BEDDIS of the Nags Head Inn, Yorkley and James DAVIS Executors.

Assume this is Mary JAMES in previous thread with Charles and Isaac - think father was George - is this a relative of your Philip? They were certainly living near to your Thomas JAMES on the 1841 census. (George JAMES married Mary TINGLE - at English Bicknor - 1 September 1801 + Elizabeth TINGLE married William CHARLES at Newland 31 August 1807)

Sarah JAMES (Hundred of St Briavels, married John WILLETTS - 1835 - Newland
Hannah JAMES (Yorkley) married Thomas WILLETTS - 1843 - Lydney

(Mary's husband George - was buried at Parkend - 15 October 1832 age 74 - c1758 - residence SLADD - where Mary was living on the 1841 census)

The Will of Phillip JAMES (coal miner) of Awre in 1777 - is just an Inventory and a Bond - mentioning wife Mary…..

Who were the children of this Phillip & Mary ? and did two brothers, both give their children the father's name - as this could be a family name….. Fod records need checking….

Needs work- but don't think George & Mary had a son Philip - so who is Phillip….