My gt uncle Anthony Worgan Wintle who lived in Milkwall (d 1962) was buried (or so I have been told) in Sling Cemetery? In July we are coming down to the forest for our annual holiday & I hope to take a photo of his grave. Can anyone please tell me where exactly Sling (or is it Milkwall) cemetery/burial ground is located. Been to Coleford Cemetery many times plus most of the beautiful forest churchyards but never come across one in that particular area. Tried goole online without any success - many thanks in advance for any help.
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by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, June 17, 2014, 14:59 (3806 days ago) @ anthonyworgan
Hi Anthony,
I'm afraid my knowledge of the Sling area is probably worse than yours !, I've only visited it a few times and the various villages in the area are all one to me...sorry.
I've found this nice little site for Sling village, this page has a map at bottom of page which has a Cemetery marked between Sling and Clearwell.
http://www.4villages.org.uk/map
The map enlarges if you click on it => http://www.4villages.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/map4villages.jpg
The map shows a church symbol (cross on disc)# in Clearwell, and another cross seemingly nearer the cemetery - I wonder if this refers to one of the nonconformist chapels that were built in the area, as per the interesting "History" section of the above 4villages site ?.
It may well be worth you emailing that site's owner for advice.
I've studied the close-scale OS maps for the area, I cannot see any church or cemetery at all in Sling itself. The above-mentioned Cemetery is there, looks quite large, it has it's own Chapel and even "Cemetery House" on the High Street near it's entrance I think. Looks like the Cemetery is accessed from the far eastern end of Clearwell High Street onroute towards Sling etc, exactly as per the above map, it's at the "PW" on the map (PW = Place of Worship).
Cemetery photos here
http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/38685/CLEARWELL%20CHURCH%20CEMETERY
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/981852
Altho less builtup than Sling etc, from an historic viewpoint I think Clearwell is the "senior" village in the area so their Church is probably the oldest and might therefore be worth visiting, it looks very nice. I think this is the one marked on the above maps#.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwell
I recommend you contact Clearwell Church, they'll be able to advise further I'm sure.
http://www.achurchnearyou.com/clearwell-st-peter/
http://www.visitforestofdean.co.uk/discover/thingstodo/i-4435-Clearwell_Church__St_Peters
Looking at this FoD site's PRs searchpage I cannot see any Parish/Chapels listed as "Sling", but the site does list several BMDs for a Parish/Chapel at "Clearwell"; there are several Worgan Burials shown there, I suspect that's your best starting point.
Do you have any more clues eg "your" Churches' name ?
PS I've not been there in years and it's now much-extended, but the local pub the Orepool is wellknown for offering good food and even accomodation which may be usefull during your visit, my sister recommends it.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g190799-d2550426-Reviews-The_Orepool_Inn...
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by anthonyworgan , Wednesday, June 18, 2014, 10:34 (3805 days ago) @ Jefff
Many, many thanks to everybody who responded to my plea - what a great bunch of lovely people you all are -this must be the most helpful site on the internet!!! Years ago I went on an organized walk entitled 'The Coleford Burial Walk' - it started at Clearwell & went up & down dale to Newland, steep in places & across fields & came out by the side of the Ostrich Pub. Apparently this was the way the funeral party once went but it is hard to imagine they carried a coffin as well - they were obviously strong & tough people in the past.
Thanks Jeff for the info about the maps on the internet, I shall look them up this morning they sound very interesting indeed.
I have looked around Clearwell graveyard (by St Peter's church) in the past but not looking then for my gt uncle's grave. The burial ground at Ellwood sounds promising so I will look that one up. I know my gt uncle is not buried at Parkend, nor Coleford or Bream (where his brother the Rev Thomas Anthony Wintle lies buried) & as Milkwall is where he once lived my first port of call will be Ellwood.
Many thanks for all the additional family information; one of gt uncle Anthony's daughters Janet, used to run the Post Office at Milkwall which was built on part of their garden which was once 'the potato patch'. As a child in the 1950's I used to go with my family including granny Amelia Wintle to the Whist Drives that were held in Milkwall village hall. The walk back to Coalway in the warm evening with the smell of woodsmoke in the air is a magical nostalgic memory.
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by HarryBrook , Wednesday, June 18, 2014, 12:20 (3805 days ago) @ anthonyworgan
The Dean Forest Mercury Friday 30.11.1962
FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS
DEATHS
WINTLE - Anthony Worgan, Post Office, Milkwall, passed peacefully away Tuesday, November 27. Funeral Saturday, December 1, 2p.m. from house for Ellwood Methodist Church.
There was no report of the funeral, or acknowledgement notice, in the issues of December 7th or 14th 1962.
So it can reasonably assumed that Anthony Worgan WINTLE was buried at Ellwood Methodist Church Cemetery.
Sling Cemetery, Ellwood
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, June 18, 2014, 12:59 (3805 days ago) @ HarryBrook
Wow thanks Harry, well found sir !
From the aforementioned "4 Villages" website, I hope this contact info is current and may be wellworth a phonecall in advance of a visit.
Methodist Contact: Rev. Heather Upton, Phone 01594 833247
Ellwood Methodist Chapel, Bromley Road, Ellwood
http://www.4villages.org.uk/chapels-2
HOWEVER, this site suggests the Minister is different, altho hopefully the phone number will be still correct and still unchanged ?
Methodist Churches: Rev. David Bull 01594833247
The site also quotes an email address for him.
http://www.coleford-online.co.uk/local-information/places-worship/
http://main-place.org.uk/Coleford_Area_Partnership/Other_Areas/CAP_Worship.html
This prior thread gives more info about Ellwood Methodist Chapel and it's cemetery.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=15129
Also see http://www.westdeanpc.org.uk/ellwood/
Good luck in your search !
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PS While researching Ellwood I found hits relating to an Ellwood City near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Knowing that area saw massive growth in the late 1800s on the iron and then steel industry, due to having the USA's richest coal deposits, I wondered if Ellwood Pa could possibly owe it's foundation to settlers from the Forest ??.
Sadly, it seems not, or at least not as far as I can discover...
"Ellwood City was founded in 1892 by developer Henry Watters Hartman. The borough was named after Isaac L. Ellwood, one of the inventors of barbed wire."
http://www.ecboro.com/historical.htm
Issac's life is quite well documented, he was born in New York in 1833, so dashing my hopes it seems, ah well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Ellwood
he was the brother of congressman Reuben Ellwood, this site states their parents were "Abraham and Sarah Ellwood", but where were they from.... with children of this calibre it suggests to me they wern't from a poor background. Any takers ?....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_Ellwood
Susannah ADDIS/DIBBIN
by MPGriffiths , Wednesday, June 18, 2014, 22:18 (3805 days ago) @ anthonyworgan
Ancestry is back on line after two days due to a DDoS attack! according to the 'net'
However, just to follow on from Susannah ADDIS buried at English Bicknor - 17 February 1932, here is her Probate Records
ADDIS Susannah of Tufthorn-terrace Milkwall near Coleford, Gloucestershire, widow died 22 January 1927.
Adminstration Gloucester to Eva Annie WINTLE (wife of Anthony WINTLE) and Jane DIBBIN (wife of James DIBBIN).
Former Grant D.R. Gloucedster 24 August 1927.
Effects £250.
Gloucestershirebdm
James Charles DIBBIN married Jane ADDIS - Forest of Dean, Coleford, Baptist Chapel 1904.
1911 Wales Census,
Millwall, nr Coleford
James Charles DIBBIN - 35, Quarryman Delver, born Fetterhil, Nr Coleford
Jane - 33 - married 6 years, 3 children born alive, 3 living, born Clay Lane End, Sling, Glos
Dorothy May - 5 - born ditto
Charles Harry - 3 - born ditto
Iris - 1 - born Sling, nr.Coleford
There is a previous thread on this forum on this family of DIBBINS
1911 Census, Coalway Lane End
living in 5 rooms - married one year
Anthony Worgan WINTLE - 24, Plasterer House, born Lane End Coleford
Eva Annie - 26 - born Sling
Susanna ADDIS, Visitor, 65, Widow, born Stourbridge, Worcestershire
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1891 Census, West Page - Page 8 (Page 11 is Ellwood)
Clearwell Meed
ADDIS
George - 51 - Bricklayer, born Newland
Susannah - 46
Edwin - 22 - Bricklayer
Albert R - Foundry Apprentice
Jane - 13
Maud - 9
Eva - 6
Agnes - 3
Susannah ADDIS/DIBBIN
by tichfen , Thursday, June 19, 2014, 17:03 (3804 days ago) @ MPGriffiths
My Gran mother lived in Tufthrone Terrace, Milkwall. Her name was Eva Ellen Jones and she married Hubert Wintle from Milkwall in 1913. She had a aunty called Susannah small world isn't it.
Anthony Worgan WINTLE
by MPGriffiths , Tuesday, June 17, 2014, 16:09 (3806 days ago) @ anthonyworgan
Probate: Ancestry
WINTLE Anthony Worgan of Post Office Milkwall, Coleford, Gloucestershire died 27 November 1962.
Adminstration Lewes 8 January to Ronald Clifford WINTLE, Solicitor.
Effects: £3,142 5s. 1d.
Ronald Clifford WINTLE was married at Berry Hill Methodist - 6 August 1939 - Solicitor's Clerk, residence, Post Office Milkwall, Colford - father Anthony Worgan WINTLE - assume the family were Methodists, as Anthony Worgan WINTLE and wife Eva Annie -
had two of their children christened at Lydney Primitive Methodist - Ronald Clifford/Violet Eileen
Anthony Worgan WINTLE married Eva Annie ADDIS - Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office 1910
Can't get into Ancestry at present; but looking at the CLDS - Eva Annie WINTLE is aged 26 on the 1911 census, and born Sling, Nr, Coleford. Anthony Worgan WINTLE is aged 24 + Susanna ADDIS, 45 - living at Coalway Lane End, Coleford, Glos
Fod Records : Baptism at Lydney Primitive Methodist - Eva Annie ADDIS 20 May 1885 parents George (Brick Burner) and Susanna, residence: Clay Lane, West Dean (born 20 March 1885)
According to Public Members Tree this is her Burial at English Bicknor 17 February 1932
Susannah ADDIS - residence: Christ Church Near Coleford, age 94
GlosBDM: George ADDIS married Susannah MABBERLEY - Forest of Dean Register Office, Monmouth 1868
Eva Annie WINTLE - birth date - 20 March 1885 - died March 1973 age 88
1901 Census, Ecclesiatical Parish Clearwell St Peter
ADDIS
George - 61
Susannah - 55
Maud - 9
Eva A - 16
Agness -13
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Lydney Methodist has no burial ground
www.churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS1303.php
An obituary in the local newspaper at the time may hold more clues etc.
Sling Cemetery
by alison2 , Tuesday, June 17, 2014, 21:12 (3806 days ago) @ anthonyworgan
I used to live in Sling and can Confirm that the Cemetery is in Clearwell as Jeff says.
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by HarryBrook , Tuesday, June 17, 2014, 21:58 (3806 days ago) @ alison2
I have a copy of the M.I.s at Clearwell Cemetery, as recorded by the Forest of Dean Branch of the Glos. Family History Society 2011. There is no M.I. recorded for Anthony Worgan Wintle. The only Wintle grave memorials are as follows:-
Fred Wintle died 9 Feb. 1950 aged 62 and his wife, Edith Elizabeth died 17 Aug. 1955 aged 63
Dulcie May Wintle born 6 March 1920 died 16 March 1962 and her husband, Charles Bernard born 26 March 1916 died 31 July 1994.
HiSling Cemetery
by tichfen , Tuesday, June 17, 2014, 23:48 (3806 days ago) @ HarryBrook
Hi Harry.
There is the buriel ground at Clearwell next to St Peters church which is used by the people of Sling plus a small buriel ground at Ellwood Chapel. Some Wintle folk have also been buried at Parkend and Bream church yards which might be worth taking a look at. Just of out interest my mother was Doris Rose Wintle born on Gorsty Knoll, Lower Milkwall in 1923 . Hope you find what your looking for I will also keep my eye open for you Im always having a mooch around the local buriel grounds for my Wintle ancestors.
Good luck Tichfen
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by anthonyworgan , Friday, June 20, 2014, 13:48 (3803 days ago) @ tichfen
Hi tichfen,
Yes it is a small world & it is amazing how our forest ancestors were all linked up. Hubert Wintle = 1913 Eva Ellen Jones was a gt grandson of Thomas Wintle. This Thomas had a brother George 1804-1886 whose lst wife Elizabeth Dobbs was the older sister of Eleanor Dobbs who married John Wintle - they were my 3 x gt grandparents.
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by tichfen , Friday, June 20, 2014, 19:04 (3803 days ago) @ anthonyworgan
Hi Anthony, yes you have it right Thomas Wintle is my 3 x great grand father. When you go to Ellwood chapel you will see a grave with the name of Keith Gerald Wintle he was my eldest cousin the son of Charles Henry Wintle eldest son of Hubert and Eva.Uncle charl and Aunty Vie owned Home farm at Ellwood when I was young lass and then later on Keith took over the running of the farm until Keiths death when it was sold. All of Hubert's children went to Ellwood school and lived to a good age Uncle ( Levi)Harold died in Feb this year aged 95. Granparents Hubert and Eva are buried in Coleford Cemetery so are my Aunty and Uncles my parents are at Mile End Cemetery so are some of our other Wintle ancestors.I live in Milkwall so if I can help any time don't be afraid to ask im always going around the church yards looking for information. Thanks for getting back to me and all the best cousin. Regards Tich.
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by beajaytee , Wednesday, June 18, 2014, 17:36 (3805 days ago) @ anthonyworgan
I can confirm that Anthony Worgan is buried in the graveyard at Ellwood, which adjoins Ellwood Methodist Chapel.His wife and daughter,Janet, are named on the headstone also.
Nesta, his other daughter, is buried with her husband, G.Morse.
Both graves have modern black headstones and will be easy to find, the burial ground is very small.
The family were all involved in running the post office at Milkwall for many years.
They were also strong members of Ellwood Chapel.
Hope this is of help.
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by Roger Griffiths , Wednesday, June 18, 2014, 19:55 (3805 days ago) @ beajaytee
Had a dig around on the net. Came upon a site www.houseofnames.com/Ellwood. I don't know how reliable it is, but says the origin of the name is indeed Ellwood FoD (Anglo-Saxon name). Emigration to America from the 17th Century.
My people lived there in the 1830's.
Ellwood FoD => Elwood USA !
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, June 18, 2014, 20:44 (3805 days ago) @ Roger Griffiths
Thanks Roger, good result !.
Does this mean the FoD can claim Sovereignty or somesuch to the area, could be a nice little windfall there !
Shades of the great old film "Passport to Pimlico".
Ah well, maybe not, but thanks for finding the Ellwood site.
Ellwood FoD => Elwood USA !
by Roger Griffiths , Thursday, June 19, 2014, 09:40 (3805 days ago) @ Jefff
Why stop there, Washington DC/Washington Tyne and Wear, Richmond Virginia/Richmond Surrey etc. etc.
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by anthonyworgan , Friday, June 20, 2014, 13:15 (3803 days ago) @ beajaytee
Hi beajay,
Smashing!!! it just goes to show you post a request on this super site & loads of info come rushing in - hopefully too, some of it will be of interest & help to others. I met Janet many years ago & have a photo of her in the post office - she was a lovely lady. With all this help I shall find the grave very easily & pay my respects.
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by Janet Marrott, Saturday, August 02, 2014, 09:01 (3761 days ago) @ anthonyworgan
There is no cemetery at Sling. The person could have been buried at Clearwell or Coleford Cemetery. Alternatively at the Mile End Cemetery that is maintained by the Forest of Dean District Council. Another possibility would be at Bream, St James Churchyard.
Janet Marrott