Hi can anyone tell me please if there is any link between Arabella Roselia Lediard born in 1824 and Clara Lediard, who was the mother of Gustav Holst and who went to Cheltenham Ladies College.They seem to both have been born in Cranham Glos. Later Arabella married Joseph A. Horlick and their first child was born in Ross in 1871. Clara's dad is Samuel Lediard, a solicitor, but I don't know if Arabella had the same father or a brother maybe? Also does anyone know how I can research the schools in Cheltenham to see if my relatives attended? thank you

**Looking at my Gloucestershire Baptism CD Index (still work in progress) - and not sure how much information you have etc., although for forum members there is background - long link, but google, (pdf) History Enquiry - Holst Birthplace Museum

There is on Ancestry, a UK Articles of Clerkship for 5 years (7 February 1823) for Samuel LEDIARD , Gentleman of Cirencester - starting off with Thomas LEDIARD - and Attorney: William THOMPSON

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Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations

Thomas LEDIARD age 21, Batchelor, Gentlemen of Cirencester, married Sarah LEDIARD (Widow) - at Cirencester by Licence, 26 April 1786

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Arabella LYDIATE was christened at Cranham St James - 13 March 1823, parents: Joseph (labourer) and Mary

Siblings: Mary Ann LYDIATE also christened at Cranham - 1 October 1820

Eli LEDIARD - christened at Cranham - 20 April 1834 - same parents

Ann LIDDIATT - christened at Cranham - 8 May 1825 - same parents

George LIDDIATT - christened at Cranham - - 23 October 1831 - same parents

Jopseph LIDDIATT - christened at Cranham - 18 June 1826 - same parents

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1841 Census, Cranham - District 4 - page 3 of 6

LEDIARD

Joseph - 45
Mary - 40
Thomas - 20
Arrabella - 15
Ann - 15
George - 9
Eli - 6
Joseph - 4

1851 Census, Painswick, Glos
LEDIARD

Joseph - 60 - (c1791) Farmer of 15 Acres born WITHINGTON ***
Mary - 54 -born Doweswell
Ann - 23, George 19, Eli 17, Joseph 15

Ancestry: Christening at Cirencester, 3 February 1791, Joseph LEDIARD, parents Thomas & Sarah

1841 Census, Cranham - District 3 - page 4 of 6

LEDIARD

Samuel - 35 - Solicitor
Mary - 35
Caroline - 7
Fanny - 4
Rachel - 2
Clara - 2 months
Harriotta WHATLEY - 70 Independent (born either Ireland or Scotland)

1871 Cheltenham

4 Pittville Terrace

Mary Croft LEDIARD - Widow - 66 - born Cirencester
Clara G - 29
Susan M - 24
Fanny BURCHER, Servant, 17 - born Blaisdon

Fod Records, Fanny BURCHER, christened at Blaisdon - 28 August 1853, parents Thomas (labourer) and Elizabeth, Woodgreen Blaisdon. Burial at Blaisdon, 7 September 1938, Fanny BURCHER aged 85, residence: St Marks Villa Gloucester Road, Cheltenham.

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD

Joseph LIDIARD of Withington married Mary CAUDLE at Doweswell - 19 February 1816
Samuel LEDIARD married Mary Croft WHATLEY at Cirencester - 11 May 1826

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Children of Samuel and Mary Croft LEDIARD, christened at Cirencester St John the Baptist

Samuel Ambrose - born 12 June 1830, christened 9 July 1830 - father Samuel listed as a Gentleman
(Samuel was buried 24 May 1836 age 5)
Caroline Henrietta - born 26 November 1833, christened 21 December 1833, father listed as a Solicitor
Fanny - born 23 February 1837, christened 21 December 1837

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Samuel Barnfield LEDIARD - Attorney - and Mary - are having childen christened at Cirencester St John the Baptist
earlier in the century - not sure if you have these.

Great thank you, that's a lot of information to sift through, I will enjoy that as I had reached a dead end, kind regards Liz

A link confirming the Census data:-

http://www.geni.com/people/Clara-Lediard/6000000012533057641

and a link to a book about Joseph HORLICK et al. Only 10 pages of it but the whole is still available on the net.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&am...

If it doesn't work search Arabella Roselia LEDIARD and it should be first on the list.

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Joseph HORLICK married Arabella LEDIARD - Cheltenham St Mary 1844 Gloucestershire

Alexander HORLICK - mother's maiden name LIDIARD - birth registered 1844 - Stroud, Painswick, Gloucestershire

Ancestry: Alexander HORLICK, baptised Cranham 6 May 1844, parents Joseph & Arabella

Ancestry Probate Records

11 September 1889

HORLICK Joseph Alexander - Personal Esate £355 3s 1d.

The Will of Joseph Alexander HORLICK formerly of Racine County Wisconin in the United States of America, but late of Wotton near Gloucester in the County of Gloucester, Gentleman who died 30 July 1889 at Wott was proved at Gloucester by Arabella HORLICK of Wotton Widow the Relict the sole Executrix.

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Thank you, regards Liz

Great thanks, regards Liz

Reading the will of Thomas Lediard 1801 has produced some other speculations.
His wife is Ann
His children are Sussanah,Mary, Samuel B.,William and Thomas.
Samuel Barnfield died in 1809 or 1819 (it is not clear if a 0 or 1) and his mother Ann is deceased. The particulars of the 1801 will have not been met so a additional addendum has been added to the effect that Mary Barton nee Lediard wife of Edward Barton executor is now the principal executor of the 1801 will.

A question is who is the Thomas Lediard marrying as a widow.