I wonder if someone can help me sort something out.

I have John BEVAN (a son of William BEVAN) born 1843 who married Sarah MORGAN of Thornbury, Gloucestershire in June Q of 1864 in Gloucester, England.

then I have John BEVAN (a son of William BEVAN) born 1843 who married Sarah TERRITT born Ruspidge, Gloucester at Flaxley 14th Sept 1874
(witnesses were James BEVAN and Emily BEVAN.... two of John's siblings names)

in the 1871 census we have
John BEVAN
Sarah his wife
Albert son abt 1869
Virginia daughter abt 1870
Arthur son abt 1871

then in the 1881 census
33 Woodside Rd Cinderford
John BEVAN abt 1844 Cinderford (East Dean), Gloucestershire, England Head Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Sarah Bevan abt 1847 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Wife Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Albert Bevan abt 1869 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Prudence V. Bevan abt 1873 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Sarah A. Bevan abt 1875 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Ernest F. Bevan abt 1877 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Agnes Bevan abt 1879 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Flaxley, Gloucestershire
Arthur J. Bevan Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son Flaxley, Gloucestershire

can someone help me and take a look at the actual records and work out what is happening.

did the first Sarah die and then John married the second Sarah?

or are these two different families that I have got mixed up? (although they have used the same children's names).... Virginia 1879 and Arthur 1871 have disappeared and been replaced by younger Virginia and Arthur

any help would be appreciated..... thanks

For Starters

Gloucestershirebdm

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

Is very helpful giving the mother's maiden name when a birth is registered. Also for marriages taking place in a Register Office.

For Example

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TERRETT - Virgena - 1870 - Westbury on Severn, Newnham - no father's surname - mother's name: TERRETT

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Prudence V BEVAN abt 1873 Cinderford

Looking at Gloucestershire bdm

Child Surname: TERRETT

Child Forename: Prudence Virignia

Father's Surname: (left blank)

Mother's Surname: TERRETT

Year: 1873

District: Forest of Dean

Office: Westbury on Severn, Newnham

Register: 35

Entry: 256

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Quickly looking again at Gloucestershirebmd

John BEVAN married Sarah TERRIT, Forest of Dean, Flaxley, St Mary the Virign 1874

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As for Albert about 1869

Fod Records

Baptism at Cinderford St John
4 April 1869

Albert TERRETT

Father's Forename: not stated

Mother's Forename: Sarah

Residence: Cinderford

Occupation: Single Woman

---Gloucestershire BDM

BEVAN - mother's maiden name MORGAN

William 1865 - Gloucester South Hamlet
John 1867 - Gloucester South Hamlet
Tom - 1869 - FoD - Westbury on Severn, Newnham
John - 1867 - ditto

From this site an entry which could account for Albert:-

Record_ID 75009
Entry_Number 627
Year 1869
Month Apr
Day 4
Parents_Surname TERRETT
Child_Forenames Albert
Fathers_Forenames [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames Sarah
Mothers_Surname
Residence Cinderford
Occupation Single Woman
Officiating_Minister Newton C. Bennett
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register_Reference P85/1 IN 1/2
Page_Number 79
Parish_Chapel Cinderford St John
Soundex T630

And then also from this site:-

All baptised 13/06/1880 at Cinderford with Father John BEVAN and Mother Sarah:-

Prudence Virginia, born 21/03/1873
Sarah Ann, born 07/03/1875
Ernest Frederick, born 20/03/1877
Agnes, born 27/12/1878

Bearing in mind the proximity of Cinderford, Ruspidge and Flaxley together with the Census entries I might choose Sarah TERRITT.

thank you so much.... that is a great site... I've not seen it before.

I've spent hours trying to figure it all out and you and Mike have sorted it within minutes of me putting up the request.

now that you have sorted out the Sarah's for me I am hoping I have the right John BEVAN to match up with William BEVAN and Mary COOK as his parents as both John's are colliers and both born abt 1843 (I'd got it into my head that there was just one John lol).

thank you again :-))

thank you Mike.... it is all making much more sense now. amazing how quickly you both sorted it out :-))

now just to be sure I have the right John BEVAN who was the son of William BEVAN and Mary COOK :-)

thanks again

Maybe you have this already but, just in case,

From Genes Reunited,

1851 Census, East Dean, St, John’s, Woodside,

Willm BEWAN, Head, Mar, 38, Coal Miner, born Glos, Thornbury
Mary, Wife, Mar, 35, born Glos, Wickwar
Mary A, Dau, 14, born Glos, Houlston????
Eliza, Dau, 12, born Glos E.Dean
Thomas, Son, 9, born Glos E.Dean
John, Son, 7, born Glos E.Dean
Susannah, Dau, 5, born Glos E.Dean
Emily, Dau, 3, born Glos E.Dean
NK, 1 week (age in female column) , born Glos E.Dean

1871 Census, East Dean

William BEVAN, Head, Mar, 55, Collier, born Glos, Thornbury
Mary, Wife, Mar, 54, born Glos, Wickwar
Thomas, Son, Un, 28, Collier, born Glos, E. Dean
James, Son, Un, 16, Collier, born Glos, E. Dean
Oliver, Son, Un, 13, Collier, born Glos, E. Dean
Florence, GDau, Un, 13, born Glos, E. Dean
John JAMES, Lodger, Un, 25, Collier, born Westbury on Severn

1881 Census, East Dean

Mary BEVAN, Head, Wid, 64, born Glos, E.Dean (sic)
Oliver, Son, Un, 24, Coal Miner, born Glos E. Dean
Florence E, Dau (sic), Servant Domestic, born Glos, E. Dean

Thornbury and Wickwar are a few miles from each other just north of Bristol.

From CLDS,

Marriage 06/04/1836 St. James, Bristol
William BEVAN
Mary COOK

If nothing else this produces you a John, Emily and James of the right ages. Some of the baptisms are on this site but they look to be a family of late baptisers (a batch in 1857 at Cinderford St John, Residence - Woodside).

http://www.thornburyroots.co.uk/index.htm

There is a whole link re: James BEVAN Jnr and James Senior - Castle Street

use then Search Engine: BEVAN - which links to various pages

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re: Mary BEVAN - nee COOK - c 1816 Wickwar

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Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD 1813 onwards

Wickwar Holy Trinity

Mary COOK, parents: Thomas (Farmer) & Susanna - 5 May 1816

Thomas COOKE, parents: Thomas (Farmer) & Susanna - 19 September 1814

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Thomas COOK - (bas) - 30 July 1820 - mother, Susanna

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD

Thomas COOK married Susannah KEEN - 19 June 1809 Painswick

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Freereg - Painswick, Gloucestershire 19 June 1809

Thomas COOK Otp

married

Susannah KEEN Otp

witnesses: W'm DANCER, James SHEPPARD

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As the Gloucestershire Baptism Index starts 1813 onwards, and William states he was born in 1813/1816 - there is no William BEVAN christening on the CD.

Ancestry:

England, Select Births and Christenings -

William BEVAN

27 September 1812

Thornbury, Gloucester

parents: James & Ann BEVAN

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Gloucestershire Baptism Index Cd from 1813

Thornbury St Mary

Mary BEVAN - 3 April 1814, parents: James (Dealer) and Ann - residence: Thornbury
Susannah BEVAN - 8 October 1815 : ditto
Hester - born 27 January 1817, christened 28 November 1819 - James (Cattle Dealer) - residence Borough
Thomas (tws) - 7 September 1819 - James (Cattle Dealer) - residence: Borough
Sarah (tws) - ditto
Caroline - 25 February 1821, - ditto

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Fanny, Emma, Edwin, - christened 1 July 1817, James (Tailor) and Anne - residence: Borough
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1841 Thornbury

BEVAN

James - 58 - Dealer
Ann - 56
Edwin - 19 (? App)
Emma - 16 - (? App)
Fanny - 14 - Corset Maker
William - 12
William Liddiard - 29 Sawyer

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1851 Census Thornby

Ancestry (BUNN) but BEVAN

High Street

James - 69 - (c1782) Dealer - all born Thornbury
Ann - 66
Emma - 25 - Dressmaker
Fanny - 23 - Stay maker
William BEVAN - Nephew - 20 - unmarried, Shoemaker, Journeyman

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Gloucesteshire Marriage Index CD

? possible marriage at Thornbury - 28 August 1804

James BEVAN Jnr - married Ann Lippiatt THOMAS (also on Freereg, but no witness names)

CLDS: Christening at Thornbury - 3April 1785, Ann Lippiatt THOMAS, mother: Mary THOMAS

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Gloucestershire burial Index

James BEVAN - 2 March 1828 aged 72, residence: Borough
Ann BEVAN - 8 July 1845, age 77 (c1768) - residence: Thornbury

There are a few BEVAN's in Thornby 1841 census

including in the High Street

William BEVAN - aged 57 - Tailor
Ann BEVAN - aged 73

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Looking at Public Members Tree on Ancestry

James BEVAN - 1756-1828 married Joan NEAL - 1758 -1827 - St James, Bedminster, Bristol - died 1 March 1828 at Thornbury

James BEVAN Jnr christened - 27 June 1782)

As the BEVAN's are on the 1851 census Woodside

and BEVAN/COOK - Glosbdm and Mary Ann born Houlston?

CLDS - baptism at Olveston - 11 September 1836 - parents William BEAVEN and Mary Anne

(From Thornbury Roots: Mary THOMAS (mother of Ann Lippiatt THOMAS) - later married James WILLIAMS at St Michael's Church Bristol 9 December 1797 - had 4 more children, and she is buried at Olveston - 18 October 1829)

1841 Census Woodside

BEVAN

William - 40 - Iron Miner (not born in County)
Mary - 25 - born in County
Mary - 5
Eliza - 1
Thomas - 6 months

thank you so much. I had some of this but not all of it. it is good to get confirmation too for some info I already had. thanks again

thanks for some new information and confirmation of info I already had. I didn't have anything regarding who Mary Cook's parents might be .... so that is great seeing that info.
thanks again for being so generous with info