I am directly related to the Johns family from the Forest of Dean and trying to find out if Drusilla Johns was one of the children of William Johns Gypsy King, she also had sister called Ellen b1866 I think. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

From GR 1861 Census
East Dean, Holy Trinity

Persons not in houses

Wm JOHN, Head, Mar, 33, Basket maker, b. Glos, Bredon
Ann, wife, 30, Basket maker, b. Bedfordshire, ???
Wm, son, 12, b. Staff, Wolverhampton
David, son, 9, b. Hereford, Gorsley
Caroline (Carnatine?), dau, 7 , b. Hereford, Gorsley
Drusilla, dau, 4, b. Hereford, Gorsley
Niphon (?), son, 14m(?), b. Glos. East Dean
Martha, mother, 81

Thank you for the info. I think it might be a different Drusilla as he date of birth I have is 1864 - I think she was born at May Hill & married Samuel Burgham in 1890

Samuel BURGHAM's wedding info on Fod Records, state Drusilla's father was William JOHNS and engine driver. The two witnesses: Rowland PRITCHETT, was a Lay Preacher and Laura Gertrude Houlson, was the wife of the Clerk Holy Orders, Vicar of Woodside.

? is this Drusilla whose father William was a Gypsy, but didn't want anyone to know

There is a lot of information in previous threads on William JOHNS King of the Gypsies etc

Try the search engine Gypsy Ancestors

and two links

William JOHNS (c1841-1937) 'King of the Gipsies'

and

Gypsy Family - Clark

Hi,

I am a descendant of Mark Johns, Brother of William Johns, King of the Gypsies.
Through my research I have found 9 of Williams children, however I found some newspaper articles about his death stating he had 22 children! So it is a possibility that Drusilla could have been related in some way. There were many Gypsy families in the forest at that time, it is a challenge trying to link people together.
I will have a look into it,

Laura Johns

That's great, thank you very much. Any info would be very welcome
Karen

Hi Karen,
apart from the 1890 marriage record, do you have any other reason to think your Drusilla was born in 1864 ?

I ask as after searching various databases I also believe your Drusilla is the same girl born near Gorsley in 1857 as per Mike's 1861 Census post. It’s not a common name, and Mike’s find seems the most likely to me. Ancestry also carries this Baptism which confirms the Census dates.

Name: Drusilla John
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 27 Jul 1857
Baptism Place: Kempley,Gloucester,England
Father: William John
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 425446, 91539

Searching surname "John", and not "Johns"(even with Soundex ticked), finds the PR in this FoD site;

Record_ID: 160871
Entry_Number: 405
Year: 1857
Month: Jul
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: JOHN
Child_Forenames: Drusilla
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Herefordshire
Occupation: (Gipsy) Basket maker
Officiating_Minister: Arthur J. Street
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P188 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 51
Parish_Chapel: Kempley
Soundex: J500

This confirms William’s “basketmaker” occupation, very typical for gypsies in the Herefordshire/Glostershire borders. This area's fertile agricultural land and mild climate meant it was renowned for extensive fruit orchards, offering plentiful seasonal work for gypsies especially at harvest time, not to mention demand for skilled basketmakers and repairers. Before that, spring brought huge displays of wild daffodils in the Kempley area, as discussed here in the past. It’s known that local gypsies would gather cut daffs in swathes to sell at nearby towns, such as Newent, Ledbury and even Gloster, carried by the basketful of course.
See http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Kempley/Gaz1868.html

The 1861 Census indicates Drusilla was born at Gorsley.
As the village website states Gorsley is right at the foot of May Hill.
http://www.gorsley.com/

This photo of May Hill was taken from near Gorsley.
https://geolocation.ws/v/W/File:Crooke's%20Farm%20and%20May%20Hill%20-%20geograph.org.u...

As I'm sure you know, May Hill is a very prominent landmark that can be seen from many miles around, particularly north towards Gloster and beyond along the traditional gypsy travelling routes past the Malverns into Worcestershire. This is why it's been used as a "beacon" hill in the distant past, I suspect the gypsies of old may even have considered it a ”magical” place much like Glastonbury Tor in Somerset. I’m sure it would be prominent in their legends and storytelling, and maybe a birthplace to be proud of !
May Hill is mentioned in this description of Aston Ingham, Gorsley's close neighbour. This village still has a byway called "Gypsy Lane", presumably for good historical reasons.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/AstonIngham/Gaz1868.html

This prior thread also discusses May Hill, hopefully you may find it of interest.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=41424

Regarding your belief Drusilla was born in 1864, the only Record I can find to support this is her 1890 Marriage Record. As MPG has discovered, the unusual choice of witnesses strongly suggest this is a gypsy wedding. In olden times it was very common, particularly for ladies, to “adjust” their actual ages when asked during a marriage or Census. It was sometimes thought improper for a bride to be older than the groom, and as nowadays no-one likes to pass the “magic” ages of 30 or 40. Hence I’m not at all surprised a bride who’s real age is 33 would state she was 26 when her groom was 28. And why not, no-one was going to check or query it, especially here when the Minister and Witnesses are clearly doing their best to help the couple. The fact the Record quotes Johns rather than John is no surprise, Johns being a far more commonplace surname than John, as I proved when mistakenly searching for Drusilla Johns within the Baptism PRs earlier !

The 1881 Census for Samuel Burgham & Drusilla shows the couple in Cinderford. They are shown as married !?, living with Samuel’s parents just yards above St Stephens Church. As well as confirming his father & her May Hill birthplace (your source ?), it also gives a more likely age for Drusilla, and mentions a visitor, possibly her sister ? They don’t appear to have any children, perhaps their first child was the reason for their formal 1890 Marriage ? (Or is Elizabeth their baby ?)

1881 CENSUS. Hinders Lane, Dockham, St Stephens Parish.
Given Name Surname Relationship to Head Marital Status Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country.

Joseph Burgam Head Married 43 1838 Male Labourer Ruspidge (East Dean) Gloucestershire England
Lorne Burgam Wife Married 45 1836 Female Littledean Gloucestershire England
Samuel Burgam Son Married 22 1859 Male Coal Miner Littledean Gloucestershire England
Drusilla Burgam Daughter in Law Married 22 1859 Female May Hill Gloucestershire England
Elizth. A. Burgam Daughter 6m 1881 Female Cinderford Gloucestershire England
Ellen Johns Visitor 15 1866 Female East Dean Gloucestershire England

These reasons are why I believe the 1857 Kempley baptism is indeed your Drusilla.

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I cannot find any more clear Census records for Drusilla, not helped as there’s another Drusilla Johns in Cornwall, born near Penzance in 1862. Similarly I cannot find Samuel in later Census’, although Ancestry carries these Records;

West Yorkshire, England, Prison Records, 1801-1914 about Samuel Burgham
Name: Samuel Burgham
[Samuel Burgin]
Birth Year: abt 1862
Birth Place: Cinderford
Age: 24
Event Date: 23 Jun 1886
Prison or Quarter Session: HMP Wakefield
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment or Servitude

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Samuel Burgham
Name: Samuel Burgham
Birth Date: abt 1857
Date of Registration: Dec 1922
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 306

Finally, GlosBMD gives this interesting Record that may reward investigation;

Marriage Details

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
BURGHAM Samuel JOHNS Selina Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office Closed 1908 14 79

GR has this in the 1901 Census, East Dean, Holy Trinity, Churchway

Samuel BURGHAM, Head, M, 39, Coal Hewer, b. Glos. Cinderford
Drusilla, Wife, M, 36, b. Glos.May Hill
Samuel, Son, S, 19, Coal Hewer, b. Glos. Cinderford
Mary Jane, Dau, S, 18, General Servant, b. Glos. Cinderford
George, Son, S, 16, Colliery Belt boy, b. Glos. Ruspidge
Ellen, Dau, S, 14, b. Glos. Ruspidge
Drusilla, Dau, S, 11, b. South Wales, Abersychan
Eliza, Dau, S, 9, b. Glos. Cinderford
Mary Ann, Dau, S, 6, b. Glos. Cinderford
Harriet, Dau, S, 4, b. Glos. Drybrook

If this is the 1861 Drusilla she’s being economical with her age again

Thanks Mike, well found.

Clearly looks the same family to me, despite Drusilla's claimed age.

Searching this site's PRs, think this is Drusilla's husband Samuel, a good fit despite Samuel being a popular Burgham name at the time including a couple in the general Newent/Astons area;

Record_ID: 33185
Entry_Number: 757
Year: 1858
Month: Feb
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: BURGUM
Child_Forenames: Samuel
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Salome
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: LIttle Dean
Occupation: Haulier
Officiating_Minister: John J Hedges
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Margin note Privately.Rec[eive]d into Cong[regatio]n on July 18
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 95
Parish_Chapel: Littledean
Soundex: B625

and again;

Record_ID: 6769
Entry_Number: 1334
Year: 1910
Month: Feb
Day: 16
Surname: BURGAM
Forenames: Samuel
Residence: Workhouse Westbury
Age_at_death: 55 years
Officiating_Minister: F. W. Cresswell Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 168
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
Soundex: B625

So born abt 1855, seems good fit despite change of Church.

Looking like young Samuel "Junior" setup home in Drybrook, so towards Gorsley etc.
Looking like aforementioned Reg Office 1908 Marriage to Selina is his and not his father;

Record_ID: 108666
Entry_Number: 1138
Year: 1914
Month: Apr
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: BURGHAM
Child_Forenames: Samuel
Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Mothers_Forenames: Selina
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Nelson Green
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J Lawton Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 143
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: B625

Record_ID: 249418
Entry_Number: 926
Year: 1922
Month: Nov
Day: 8
Surname: BURGHAM
Forenames: Samuel
Residence: Wigpool
Age_at_death: 65 years
Officiating_Minister: H M Biddell
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 116
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: B625

So this Samuel also born abt 1857, eek, makes it tricky !?

Record_ID: 1008038
Entry_Number: 75
Year: 1934
Month: Jul
Day: 22
Surname: BURGHAM
Forenames: Samuel
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Age_at_death: 53
Officiating_Minister: George R Newman Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/38
Page_No: 10
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: B625

So born abt 1880, think this is Samuel Jr, Selina's husband.

There are much later Samuel Burghams/Burgums etc in the Drybrook/Ruardean Hill area too. Best left for another day methinks, hopefully already in the prior threads ?.
Yes, hints here for births to Samuel & Selina, www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=7111

Re Selina John/Johns, I've searched but am struggling to find a definite birth record.
What I do notice tho on FreeBMD is there are quite a few of this name, from the Worcs/Warks midland thro to Cornwall, so perhaps sugesting a gipsy tradition ?. ALL the John (rather than Johns) are recorded in West & South Wales....

Here's her Burial, again on Ruardean Hill so presumably still with Samuel Jr ?

Record_ID: 1009338
Entry_Number: 1373
Year: 1958
Month: Feb
Day: 14
Surname: BURGHAM
Forenames: Selina
Residence: Rose Tree Cottage Ruardean Hill
Age_at_death: 75
Officiating_Minister: Eric J Hoskin Rector of Ruardean
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/38
Page_No: 172
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: B625

(So born abt 1883 which seems probable)

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I'm afraid I still cannot find Drusilla Burgham after 1901, or Selina John's birth.
Any takers please ?.

GR 1891 Census, East Dean, Cinderford, Woodside Road

Samuel BURGUM, Head, M, 29, Coal Miner, b. Littledean, Glos
Lucy, Wife, M, 27, b. May Hill, Herefordshire
Elizabeth, Dau, S, 10, b. Cinderford, Glos.
Samuel, Son, S, 9, b. Cinderford, Glos.
Mary J, Dau, S, 8, b. Cinderford, Glos.
George, Son, S, 6, b. Cinderford, Glos.
Ellen, Dau, S, 4, b. Cinderford, Glos.
Lucy, Dau, S, 2, b. Abersychan, Mon.

An enumerator who hears Drusilla as Lucy?

Well done Mike !

fwiw I did try searching Samuel last night but my mind was numb, out of practice I guess, thanks. So now she's born 1864 again, conveniently still under age 30 !

Here they are in 1911 Census, still near Drybrook, at Puddlebrook in four room household;
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Years Married Occupation Birth Place
Samuel Burgum Head 1861 50 Male Married 30 Colliery Work Coal Hewer Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Lucy Burgum Wife 1872 39 Female Married Assisting Husband Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
George Burgum Son 1887 24 Male Single Helps Father Hereford, Herefordshire
Mary Ann Burgum Daughter 1895 16 Female Single Helps Mother Hereford, Herefordshire
Harriet Burgum Daughter 1897 14 Female Single Helps Mother Hereford, Gloucestershire

So Drusilla/Lucy is still struggling to get past the 30/40/50 age "barriers" ;-)
now born about 1872 !!??

Please note I've just amended my earlier post to add/clarify Samuel Jr and Selina's burials, in case you're looking.

Meanwhile here is Drusilla's death record;

Funny how ladies seem to want to be OLDer than they really are as they enter their twilight years, seen this a few times !

Name: Drusilla Burgham
Birth Date: abt 1852
Date of Registration: Mar 1932
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 410

And her burial PR at last (I foolishly kept forgetting she'd become a Burgham, after all the John/Johns?etc searches.)

Record_ID: 250003
Entry_Number: 1512
Year: 1932
Month: Jan
Day: 28
Surname: BURGHAM
Forenames: Drusilla
Residence: Wigpool
Age_at_death: 80 years
Officiating_Minister: George R Newman Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 189
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: B625

Finally I think, for completeness having accidentally found it, here is Samuel "Senior" with his parents on the 1871 Census at Hinders lane, so the same Cinderford St Stephen address as the 1881 Census posted earlier.

Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
James Burgum Head 50 1821 Male Hinders Lane
Sarah Ann Burgum Wife 40 1831 Female Ruardean Gloucestershire England
James Burgum Son 14 1857 Male East Dean Gloucestershire England
Samuel Burgum Son 11 1860 Male East Dean Gloucestershire England
William Burgum Son 5 1866 Male East Dean
Charles Burgum Son 2 1869 Male Hinders Lane

Just a few more bits:-

GR 1871 Census Littledean

Joseph BURGHAM, Head M, 40, Ostler in a coal mine, b. East Dean Woodside
Salomie, Wife, 38, b. Littledean Woodside
Samuel, Son, 14, Horse Driver (?), b. Littledean Woodside
George MORGAN, Father of above, Widower, 74, Nailer, b. Littledean Woodside

In the 1891 census I had failed to notice that next door to Samuel BURGAM et al is:-

Salome BURGHAM, Head, Widow, 60, Parish Relief, b. Littledean, Glos.

Living in 1 room.

I’m not entirely sure how the following relates to Drusilla JOHN(S) but there must be some kind of connexion. Anybody care to explain?

GR 1881 Census Collafield, Green Bottom, Shapridge

3 Gypsy Tents

Pridy (?) SMITH, Head, Widow, 60, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Faith, Son, Mar, 45, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Lea, Daur, Mar, 25, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Keziah, Daur, Mar, 26, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Nepthane JOHNS, Nephew, Mar, 22, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
?????? SMITH, Dau in Law, Un, 21, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Mark JOHNS, Nephew, Un, 19, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Shady JOHNS, Dau in Law, Un, 10 months, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Mathew BUTLER, Son in Law, Mar, 30, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Emma BUTLER, Daur, Un, 11, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
????? BUTLER, Daur, Un, 5, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Mathew BUTLER, Son, Un, 18 months, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Bessie BUTLER, Daur, Un, 7, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Albert BUTLER, Son, Un, 6, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown
Lucie SMITH, Daur, Un, 23, Travelling Gypsy, b. Unknown

GR 1891 Census, East Dean, Holy Trinity, Dean Common

William JOHNS, Head, Mar 39, General Laborer, b. Staffordshire, Dudley
Eliza, Wife, 38, b. Herefordshire, Ledbury
William, Son, 10, b. Gloucestershire, E. Dean
David, Son, 8, b. Gloucestershire, E. Dean
Elizabeth, Adopted Dau, 18, b. Gloucestershire, E. Dean
Comfort, Dau, 5, b. Glo, b.Gloucestershire, E. Dean
Sarah, Dau, 2, b. Gloucestershire, E. Dean
Henry, Son, 3 months, b. Gloucestershire, E. Dean
Mark, Brother, Mar, 29, General Laborer, b. Breconshire, Brecon
Carnation, Brother’s Wife, Mar, 26, Not known
Sarah, Niece, 5, b. Kent, Bromley
Fred, Nephew, 3, b. Kent, Bromley
John JAMES, Lodger, S, 16, b. Warwickshire, Birmingham

GR 1901 Census, St Mary the Virgin, Rural District of Lydney

Tents, Bearse Common, Extra Parochial

Mark JOHNS, Head, Mar, 57,Tinker and Hawker, b. Glos. Forest of Dean
Carnation, Wife, Mar, 36, b. Glos. Forest of Dean
Fredrerick, Son, S, 13, b. Glos. Forest of Dean
Mark, Son, S, 8, b. Glos. Forest of Dean
Ernest, Son, S, 4, b. Glos. Forest of Dean
Llewelyn, Son, S, 1, b. Glos. St Briavels
Sarah J, Daur, S, 15, b. Glos. Forest of Dean
Bertha, Daur, S, 10, b. Glos. Forest of Dean
Amelia, Daur, S, 4, b. Glos. Forest of Dean
Isiah BUTLER, B-in law, S, 46, Tinker and Hawker

GR 1911 Census

2 Families, Tents, Hornill? Hill, Bream, Gloucestershire

Mark JOHNS, Head, 54, Mar, A Laborer at Travelling Hawker, b.Cinderford in Gloucestershire
Carnation, Wife, 48, Mar, any work, , b.Cinderford in Gloucestershire
Sarah J, 26, S, , b.Cinderford in Gloucestershire
Birtha, 20, S, , b.Cinderford in Gloucestershire
Mark, Son, 17 S, Labourer above ground colliery, b.Cinderford in Gloucestershire
Amelia, 11, S, , b.Cinderford in Gloucestershire
Earnest, Son, 14, , b.Cinderford in Gloucestershire
Llewewyn, Son, 11, School, , b.Cinderford in Gloucestershire
Stanley, Son, 9, School, , b.Cinderford in Gloucestershire

29 years the marriage, 10 children, 7 alive, 3 died.

These are all names that appear in my research.
I'm still unsure of how Drusilla relates to the other members, however Mark Johns (aged 19 and living in the tents with another gypsy family) was my G-G Grandfather, he married Carnation BUTLER who was also from a large gypsy family.
On the 1891 census they were living with Marks brother William and his family who was the 'king of the gypsies of the Forest of Dean'.

Drusilla Johns hasn't appeared in my research as yet, I'm pretty sure they are all related considering gypsy families tended to be huge, but I haven't found the 'missing links' yet.
Its all very intriguing!

Thank you for the info. I think it might be a different Drusilla as he date of birth I have is 1864 - I think she was born at May Hill & married Samuel Burgham in 1890

Drusilla John's is my great great grandmother.
She married Samuel Burgham. They lived on wigpool, Drybrook. My grand mother Lucy Burgham and lived with them until the death of Drusilla in 1932. Lucy thought that her grandmother was her mother and her mother was her sister.
Lucy was born without knowing her father. Born out of wedlock.
When Drisilla died my grandmother was told the truth.

Deaths Mar 1932 (>99%)
Burgham Drusilla 80 Westbury S 6a 410 IE dOb 1852

1921 Lucy,1858 Lucy Jane 1916 and Samuel 1857 Burgham living in East Dean

1911 Puddlebrook / Wigpool / Drybrook area
Samuel Burgum Head Married Male 50 1861 Colling work coal hewer Littledean Glos
Lucy Burgum Wife Married Female 39 1872 Assisting husband Mitcheldean Glos
George Burgum Son Single Male 24 1887 Help father Hereford Herefordshire
Mary Ann Burgum Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Helps mother Hereford Herefordshire
Harriet Burgum Daughter Single Female 14 1897 Helps mother Hereford

1901 Churchway nr Nofold Green / Nelson Green
Samuel Burgham Head Married Male 39 1862 Coal hewer Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Drusilla Burgham Wife Married Female 36 1865 - May Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Samuel Burgham Son Single Male 19 1882 Coal hewer Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Jane Burgham Daughter Single Female 18 1883 General servant Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
George Burgham Son Single Male 16 1885 Colliery belt boy Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Burgham Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England
Drusilla Burgham Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales
Eliza Burgham Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Burgham Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Harriet Burgham Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England

1891 Woodside Rd Cinderford
Samuel Burgum Head Married Male 29 1862 Coal miner Littledean, Gloucestershire, England
Lucy Burgum Wife Married Female 27 1864 - May Hill, Herefordshire, England
Elizabeth Burgum Daughter Single Female 10 1881 Scholar Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Samuel Burgum Son Single Male 9 1882 Scholar Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Mary J Burgum Daughter Single Female 8 1883 Scholar Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
George Burgum Son Single Male 6 1885 Scholar Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Burgum Daughter Single Female 4 1887 Scholar Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Lucy Burgum Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
Burgham Samuel Westbury S. 6a 478
Johns Druscilla Westbury S. 6a 478
Johns Drusilla Westbury S. 6a 478

1881 Hinders Lane
Joseph Burgam Head Married Male 43 1838 Labourer Gloucestershire, England
Lorne Burgam Wife Married Female 45 1836 - Littledean, Gloucestershire, England
Samuel Burgam Son Married Male 22 1859 Coal miner Littledean, Gloucestershire, England
Drusilla Burgam Daughter in law Married Female 22 1859 - May Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth A Burgam Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Ellen Johns Visitor Single Female 15 1866 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Year: 1866
Month: Apr
Day: 13
Surname: JOHNS
Forenames: Martha
Residence: A traveller?
Age_at_death: 87
Officiating_Minister: Ralph Barker Vicar of Pagamane[\/] Chesterton[?]
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [Not Sta
Memoranda: Letter P in left hand margin
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12
Page_No: 5
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1861 In a Tent (Basket Maker JOHNS family) Drybrook Area ( Holy Trinity)
William John Head Married Male 33 1828 Butch maker Boldon, Yorkshire, England (Bredon Glos)
Ann John Wife Married Female 30 1831 Butch maker Bedfordshire, England (Brackley ?)
William John Son - Male 12 1849 - Staffordshire, England (Wolverhampton)
David John Son - Male 9 1852 - -Glos Gorsley
Caroline John Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Glos Gorsley
Drusilla John Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Glos Gorsley
Lupton (LEPTON?) John Son - Male 0 1861 - - East Dean
Martha John Mother - Female 81 1780

Year: 1857
Month: Jul
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: JOHN
Child_Forenames: Drusilla
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Herefordshire
Occupation: (Gipsy) Basket maker
Officiating_Minister: Arthur J. Street
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P188 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 51
Parish_Chapel: Kempley

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

1881 Hinders Lane
Ellen Johns Visitor Single Female 15 1866 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
Hyde James Westbury S. 6a 440
Johns Ellen Westbury S. 6a 440

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HYDE James JOHNS Ellen Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity 1887 3 110

Year: 1887
Month: May
Day: 31
Grooms_Surname: HYDE
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Cinderford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hyde
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Mary
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: JOHNS
Brides_Forenames: Ellen
Brides_Age: 23
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Steam Mills
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Johns
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer deceased
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Alfred Green
Witness_2: Mark of Emma Green
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Burgham Lucy J Burgham Westbury S. 6a 485
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BURGHAM Lucy Jane 1916 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, East Dean 23 278
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1935 (>99%)
Burgham Lucy J Westbury S. 6a 763
Sadler Frank Westbury S 6a 763

1939 Main Rd Old Woodstock OXON
Frank E Sadler 10 Dec 1914 Male Credit Salesman Boots & Shoes Clothing Motor Cycle Married 156 1
Lucy J Sadler 08 Apr 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 156 2
The record for this person is officially closed.

The record for this person is officially closed.

Deaths Dec 1983 (>99%)
SADLER LUCY JANE 8AP1916 LICHFIELD 30 809

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