James family Parkend / Bream

I am researching the family of Margaret Sladen nee James.She was my great grandmother. Her father was Thomas James. I believe her mother was Sarah Wait. On her parents marriage record on this site it gives Thomas's father as Richard. Further research possibly shows the family on the 1841 census, living at Oakwood, Parkend Walk. I cannot trace the marriage of Richard to an Ann and also can't trace them in later censuses.
I would be interested to hear from anyone who believes they may be related to the family and can fill in some missing details from the family tree.

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Background;

1841 England Census
Oakwood
Park End Walk

In the 1841 census the ages of adults were rounded up to the next 5 years.

Richard James - 30 - Miner - Y
Ann James - 30 - Y
Richard James - 6 - Y
Thomas James - 4 - Y
Maria James - 2 - Y

Baptism records of children:

Record_ID: 192432
Entry_Number: 456
Year: 1835
Month: Jul
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: Richard
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bream's Green
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H. G. Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 57
Parish_Chapel: Bream

Record_ID: 111947
Entry_Number: 797
Year: 1836
Month: Nov
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Eaves
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H[enr]y Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 100
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

Record_ID: 192476
Entry_Number: 500
Year: 1838
Month: Sep
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: Maria
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Oakwood Hill
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: H. G. Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 63
Parish_Chapel: Bream

1851 England Census
Coalway
Coleford

Richard James - Head - Mar - 40 - Labourer - Glos, Coleford
Ann James - Wife - Mar - 36 - Glos, Coleford
Cathrine [sic] James - Daur - 10 - Glos, Coleford
Elizabeth James - Daur - 8 - Glos, Coleford
Eliza James - Daur - 3 - Glos, Coleford
James James - Son - 1 - Glos, Coleford

Record_ID: 9712
Entry_Number: 1557
Year: 1842
Month: Jly
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Coalway Lane
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Edwd Hawkins Perpetual Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 93 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 58
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

Record_ID: 10079
Entry_Number: 1924
Year: 1854
Month: Jul
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Coleford
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: J N Paztowiz
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Aug 18th 1850
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN I/6
Page_Number: 4
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

1851 England Census
Bradley Hill
East Dean

George Franklin - Head - mar - 31 - Blacksmith - Gloucester, Bream
Mary Franklin - Wife - Mar - 26 - Gloucester, East Dean
Thomas James - Son - 5 - Gloucester, East Dean
Richd James - Nephew - U - 17 - Ironminer - Gloucester, Bream
Thomas James - Nephew - U - 15 - Ironminer - Gloucester, Bream
Martha James - Niece - U - 9 - Gloucester, Bream
Ann Nelmes - Visitor - U - 19 - Gloucester, Gloster
Elizabeth Nelmes - Visitor - U - 15 - Gloucester, East Dean

1861 England Census
Coalway Rd,
Coleford

Richard James - Head - Mar - 50 - Stone Quarrier - Gloster, Newland
Ann James - Wife - Mar - 46 - Gloster, Newland
James James - Son - 11 - Scholar - Gloster, Newland
Fanny James - Daur - 9 - Scholar - Gloster, Newland
Sarah James - Daur - 7 - Scholar - Gloster, Newland
Lucy James - Daur - 4 - Scholar - Gloster, Newland

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1861 England Census
Sewdley [sic]
East Dean

Thomas James - Head - Mar - 26 - Iron Miner - Gloster West Dean
Sarah James - Wife - Mar - 23 - Gloster East Dean
Sarah Ann James - Daur - 4 - Gloster East Dean
Charlotte James - Daur - 2 - Gloster East Dean
Thomas James - Son - 3 Mo - Gloster East Dean

1871 England Census
East Dean

Thomas James - Head - M - 34 - Miner - Glorshire West Dean
Sarah James - Wife - M - 33 - Glorshire East Dean
Maria James - Daur - 5 - Scholar - Glorshire East Dean
James James - Son - 1 Mo - Glorshire East Dean
Adelaide Lewis - Sister in Law - W - 31 - Glorshire East Dean
Joseph Jones - Boarder - Unm - 30 - Lab at Iron Works - Staffordshire
Thomas Browning - Boarder - Unm - 22 - Lab on Railroad - Glorshire Awre

1881 England Census
Soudley

Thomas James - Head - Mar - 43 - Iron Miner - Gloster, Bream
Sarah James - Wife - Mar - 41 - Gloster, East Dean
Samuel James - Son - Unm - 10 - Scholar - Gloster, East Dean
Margaret James - Daur - Unm - 7 - Scholar - Gloster, East Dean

Gloucestershire BMD Indexes:

Birth:-

Child Surname: James, Child Forename: Sarah Ann, Father Surname: James, Mother Surname: James, Mother Former Surname: Wait, Year: 1856, District: Forest of Dean, Office: Westbury on Severn, Newnham, Register: 16, Entry: 322.

Marriages:-

Groom Surname: James, Groom Forename: Thomas, Bride Surname: Wait, Bride Forename: Sarah, District: Forest of Dean, Parish: Newnham, Building: St Peter, Year: 1856, Register: 1, Entry: 193

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On the 1841 census at Oakwood, Park Lane Oakwood

Quoted was

Richard JAMES - 30 - Miner - Y
Ann JAMES - 30 - Y
Richard JAMES - 6 - Y (1851 census living with the FRANKLIN Family - Nephew)
Thomas JAMES - 4 - Y (ditto)
Maria JAMES - 2 -Y

then quoted was the 1851 census at Coalway, Coleford

? not sure this is the same family as the 1841 census - as the maiden name of the children's mother quoted below is EVANS (GlosBMD) and Martha JAMES living with the FRANKLIN on GlosBDM 1841 - mother's maiden name is FRANKLIN

Richard JAMES - 40 - Labourer, born Glos, Coleford
Ann JAMES - 36 - Glos Coleford
Cathrine JAMES - 10 - Glos Coleford
Elizabeth JAMES - 8 - Glos Coleford
Eliza JAMES - 3 - Glos, Coleford
James JAMES - 1 - Glos Coleford

think this is the family in 1841 at Coleford

Richard JAMES - 30
Ann JAMES - 25
Mary Ann JAMES - 3
Catherine JAMES - 4 months

Richard JAMES - Bachelor of Newland, married Ann EVANS, Spinster of Newland - 13 May 1837

Assume George FRANKLIN aged 31 and a Blacksmith on the 1851 census born Bream, is Ann JAMES (nee FRANKLIN's brother)

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For starters

On the Church of Latter Day Saints

Richard JAMES married Ann FRANKLYN, 1834, Trevethin, Monmouthshire

and on Freereg

3 March 1834 - Trevethin Parish Church

Richard JAMES of this Parish, Bachelor and Ann FRANKLIN of this Parish, Spinster

witnesses: Peter JAMES and Mary JENKINS

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The two nephews i.e. Richard JAMES age 17/Thomas JAMES aged 15

and Niece Martha JAMES aged 9 -

Gloucestershirebmd
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

Martha JAMES - 1841, Mother's Former Name: FRANKLIN Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Coleford

living with their possible Uncle

George FRANKLYN christened at Bream 15 October 1820 - parents : Joseph (Wood Collier) and Elizabeth
Sarah FRANKLIN christsened at Bream 13 May 1827

There are 5 earlier children of a Joseph and Susanah FRANKLIN at Bream

Joseph - 1801
Samuel - 1804
Peter 1807
Mary Ann - 1811 (this could possible be Ann - whose age is rounded up to 30 on the 1841 census)

Joseph FRANKLIN married Susannah BIRT at Newland - 6 May 1798
Joseph FRANKLIN (Widower) married Elizabeth JONES at Newland - 21 December 1817

Burial at Newland - 11 August 1843

Mary Ann JAMES - residence, Coleford age 38 years c1805 (wife of Richard) **

also at Newland - 4 May 1841

Richard james - residence, Coleford age 35

** Gloucestershirebdm

Mary Anne JAMES 1843 - age 38 Coleford Monmouth

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Thankyou. I believe Thomas is on the first census return you showed, at Oakwood. He was born in 1836 as his wedding to Sarah Wait shows the follwing
Record_ID: 13664
Entry_Number: 193
Year: 1856
Month: May
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: JAMES
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: miner
Grooms_Residence: Newnham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: James
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: miner
Brides_Surname: WAIT
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newnham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Wait
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Samuel Wait
Witness_2: mark of Charlotte Bedney

Married at Newhnam.

I believe this is Thomas as he and Sarah are shown as parents of Margaret James , my gg grandmother.

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The second witness at the wedding was Charlotte BEDNEY

On Gloucestershirebdm: BEDNEY births 1862 and 1863 (mother's maiden name WAIT(E)

and Fod Records: at Cinderford St John

21 September 1862: John BEDNEY, parents Charles & Charlotte
25 December 1865 : Sabine Agness BEDNEY, parents as above

Freebdm

Charles BEDNEY married Charlotte WAIT - District : Upton (Upton on Severn, Worcestershire) - Dec Qtr 1852

Fod records

Burial at Cinderford St John: Charlotte BEDNEY - 30 November 1910 aged 76, The Nethend Inn, Woolaston

There are previous threads on BEDNEY/WAITE/VAUGHAN on this forum

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That looks right. St John's Cinderford 29th June 1873. Follows on from Sarah Ann c1857, Charlotte c1859 (died 1864), Thomas c1861, Maria c1866 and James c1871. Vague dates as from census returns not PR's.

Thomas James may have had a next older sister Susan who married George Wait(e) next older brother to Sarah.

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