Theodore Jacobson (General)

by little dover, Friday, September 30, 2016, 10:27 (2970 days ago)

I wonder if anyone has come accross Theodore Jacobson(b. 1865 d.1934). He married my great aunt Nelly Jenkins ( b.1867 d.1900 in Cardiff,daughter of Joseph Jenkins and Emma Hand of Tidenham) in 1890 at Tidenham church. Thoeodore was described as a sailor at the time of his marriage. His father Jacob Elias Birceland Jacobson had already died but was described as a pilot.
Both Father and son were born in Norway. What I would love to find out is how Theodore would have met Nelly,where had the Jacobson family lived prior to the marriage and could it be that Theodore's father had some connection with the River Severn?
Any help on this would be very much appreciated. Thank you.

Theodore Jacobson

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, September 30, 2016, 20:17 (2969 days ago) @ little dover

Hi,
not my family-line at all so probably nothing of substance to add beyond what you probably know, but;

In those days Cardiff was an extremely busy sea port, the docks were built to handle the vast output of the South Wales coalfields. An important part of this coal was high-quality "steam" coal from the Rhondda Valley, also called "sea" coal, as it was the preferred coal for use in steam engines, particularly steam ships and railway locomotives. Hence ships from across the world visited Cardiff and nearby Penarth and Barry docks, especially during the late C19th when the world's navies were building more and more steam-powered warships as well as merchant ships, all of which needed Welsh steam coal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Docks

For ships to access these docks they needed good seamanship and top local pilots, as the Bristol Channel and Severn Estuary is renowned for it's treacherous waters due to the strong tidal race etc. Some say this is why the Cardiff dock front became known as "Tiger" Bay.
http://www.urban75.org/photos/wales/cardiff-bay-docks.html


So, if Jacob was a good enough sailor to be a pilot, then it's likely he'd have been able to gain work easily, and would have travelled all around the Severn estuary, which remained an important waterway to Gloucester and the Midlands well into the C20th. He'd have known the ports of Cardiff and Lydney well, and Tidenham too. It was also the norm for a son to have literally followed his father's footsteps, working since a boy, so it's possible Theodore met Nellie at Tidenham.
Then again, at that time several Forest of Dean miners were moving to South Wales for work, and vice versa, were there any miners in Nellie's family ?.
I see Nellie was in Cardiff when she died (young,sadly !), presumably Theodore was based there for his work ?.

As you know the Norwegians are renowned sailors since ancient times, browsing the net I see the name/word "Birseland" associated with Glasgow and the River Clyde, which was the centre of world ship-building in the early C20th, and a very busy port in itself; the city still has very strong connections with Scandanavia and beyond especially thro' sailors and their families. I have no doubt your Jacobson ancestors would have known Glasgow and the Clyde.

I don't have worldwide access to Ancestry, but FamilySearch has several Norwegian records, clearly the name Jacob Jacobsen is a very common one across several families and generations, hopefully you've been able to research that further than I can !
I suspect the Birseland (Birceland) is linked to Birkeland, there are a few places and people in Norway of this name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkeland

Searching the family in the Census,

1891 Pearl Street, Roath, Cardiff, Glamorgan.
Given Name Surname Relationship Age Estimated Birth Year Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
George Carey Watts Lodger 32 1859 Sailor Male Westbury on Severn Glamorgan Wales
George Hobbs Lodger 28 1863 Male Labourer Christonsore Norway
Ellen Jacobson Lodger 24 1867 Female Chepstow, Tidenham
Theodore Jacobson Head 27 1864 Sailor Male Plymouth Devon England

Pearl Street isn't far from the Docks. The rest of this Census page includes several sailors and mariners, with many giving ports at home(Cornwall, Southampton, etc) and abroad as their places of birth, perhaps these were rented houses ?. I see that Theodore was "born in Plymouth", and wife Nellie is using her formal name of Ellen, short for Eleanor ?. I guess it's not a coincidence that they have a Norwegian lodger.
(By unhelpful coincidence there is another Theodore Jacobson in the 1891 Census, born abt 1867, the Master of a Norwegian-crewed & registered schooner "Liberal" currently visiting Boston, Lincolnshire. In fact, there are several Jacobsons shown on Ancestry in the UK Census' of the late 1800s, all in ships or seaports, particularly in the 1881 Census. However I cannot yet find our Theodore in 1881, maybe he was at sea ?).


It looks like Theodore remarried after Nellie's early death, here he is in 1901 with a new family, maybe suggesting a second marriage in abt 1892 ?.
I THINK this is our man, but an odd change of occupation perhaps ?.

1901 44 Cornelia Street, Roath, Cardiff
Household Number Given Name Surname Relationship Age Birth Year (Derived) Gender Birth City Birth County Birth Country
Theodore Jacobson Head 36 1865 Erector at iron works Male Norway
Mary L Jacobson Wife 35 1866 Female Cardiff Glamorgan Wales
Randolph Jacobson Son 8 1893 Male Cardiff Glamorgan Wales
Hilda Irene Jacobson Daughter 6 1895 Female Cardiff Glamorgan Wales
Leonard V Jacobson Son 4 1897 Male Cardiff Glamorgan Wales
Dorothy J Jacobson Daughter 2 1899 Female Cardiff Glamorgan Wales
Winifred K Jacobson Daughter 10 Months 1900 Female Cardiff Glamorgan Wales

I now find that Theodore married Mary Louisa Falle in Cardiff in late 1900, so presumably these children are all from his previous marriage to Nellie in 1890 ?.
(I also wonder if "Falle" is a Norwegian name ?)

Or have I got this all wrong ?!...


I cannot find Cornelia Street on modern maps, according to this book it was built in abt 1890, by the Dowlais Ironworks Company, in Roath/Splott so not far from his Pearl Street address. Presumably this newly-built house was a perk of his job ?.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nnQ7AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT87&lpg=PT87&dq=cornel...

Ref Dowlais Ironworks, this company's origins were in Merthyr Tydfil (where the best steam coal was mined). If (I'm still not certain) this is indeed the right Theodore, then it may explain why the records show he died in Merthyr in early 1934, aged 71.

"the Dowlais Works' early conversion to steel production allowed it to survive into the 1930s. However, largely as a result of the Great Depression, the main works ceased production in 1936, the company having built a new iron and steel works at East Moors, adjacent to the docks at Cardiff in the late 19th century."

from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowlais_Ironworks

Theodore Jacobson (continued)

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Friday, September 30, 2016, 21:51 (2969 days ago) @ Jefff

Here's the family in 1911,

1911 Census, 22 North Road, Bargoed, Glamorgan.
Name Relation to Head Birth Date Age Gender Marital Status Occupation Birth City Birth County Birth Country Address
Theodore Jacobson Head 1864 47 Male Married 20yrs Stationary Engine Driver Farsund Norway
Mary Jacobson Wife 1866 45 Female Married Cardiff Glamorgan Wales
Randolph Jacobson Son 1892 19 Male Single Electric Engine Driver Cardiff Glamorgan Wales
Hilda Jacobson Daughter 1894 17 Female Single Cardiff Glamorgan Wales
Leonard Jacobson Son 1896 15 Male Single Collier Boy (Below Ground) Cardiff Glamorgan Wales
Dorothy Jacobson Daughter 1898 13 Female School Cardiff Glamorgan Wales
Winnifreda Jacobson Daughter 1900 11 Female School Cardiff Glamorgan Wales

Bargoed is in the Rhymney Valley abt 5 miles from Merthyr Tydfil, a fair way inland from Cardiff.


I still wonder if this is the correct Theodore ??

Looking at the various public trees on Ancestry, it seems I'm not the only confused person researching Theodore, which is reassuring !. Most trees don't discuss Theodore's life prior to his marriage. One of the trees agrees with my belief that maybe Theodore married Nellie and then married Mary Falle, yet states that at the 1891 Census "Nellie is living in Pearl Street, lodging with widow and seamstress Mary Ann Goddard. Her husband Theodore is aboard ship "Liberal" on 1891 census."

???

Then again, I should have checked earlier, I see Nellie was indeed known as Nellie since her birth reigistration. So is the Ellen in my 1891 Census the same lady, or not ?. But Ellen gave her birthplace as Tidenham !! Then again, why did Theodore give his as Plymouth ?. I cannot find a marriage between an "Ellen" and any "Jacobson" anywhere in the UK at any time, so who is this "married" couple ?.

Re-searching the 1891 Census shows there is no Nellie Jacobson in the 1891 Census. In actual fact the above tree statement relates to the same Census form I found, for "Ellen", who is indeed living next-door to Mary Ann Goddard on "my" census too. Perhaps the same Census form has included Theodore at Ellen's suggestion, even tho' he wasn't actually in the house at the time of the Census ?, this may explain why he's listed AFTER she (Ellen/Nellie) on the form ?.

Help please.... !

Theodore Jacobson (continued)

by little dover, Saturday, October 01, 2016, 08:37 (2969 days ago) @ Jefff

Many thanks for your time and effort on this. I have found that the Norwegian sailing schooner 'Liberal'was wrecked near Liverpool in 1891. Had been berthed at the dock at Boston, Lincs at time of census. Also that Nelly died of enteric fever (typhoid) and pneumonia not long after the birth of her 5th child.Four months later Theodore re-married (needed help with the 5 children under the age of 8, I assume) I will pursue this story and report back if anything new emerges.
Thanks again. Most kind.

Theodore Jacobson (continued)

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Saturday, October 01, 2016, 14:10 (2968 days ago) @ little dover

You're very welcome, in fact please accept MY thanks for your unusual and interesting query, just wish I could have been more helpful ! Given what I foolishly thought was an unusual name, I must admit I started off thinking it might be an easier line to follow, just goes to prove just how international Cardiff's dockland population was in those days !

Are you saying the family I traced to Bargoed is definitely your Theodore ?
I still struggle with Theodore's change of job, although I suppose having such a large and young family that he had to stay with them rather than go to sea, especially given the traumatic circumstances of the loss of their mother. Also, IF he was on the "Liberal" when she was wrecked, as her Master perhaps he was found at fault so couldn't or didn't want to sail again ? Have you researched the old newspapers for this ?

Also, do you know why his place of birth was given as Plymouth in 1891 ?. Is there any truth in this ?. Clearly in Pearl Street at that time there was no "need" to cover-up his background, as might happen for instance with German-sounding surnames in the 1911 census. Perhaps the census official made a mistake; as "George Hobbs" really doesn't sound like the name of someone born in "Christonsore Norway" - maybe the two men's place of birth was accidentally mixed-up, perhaps during the confusion of whether to record Theodore or not (assuming it is him on the "Liberal" in Boston that night ??)

Finally, have you researched his second wife Mary Louisa Falle ?. I ask just out of curiosity as at first glance I thought her surname might be Norwegian or similar. However a quick look on Ancestry suggests she may actually have a Channel Islands background.

??

Hopefully you can please fill me in with some of these details, and sorry once again for leaving more questions rather than answering your own !

Good luck, and thanks again, Jeff.

Theodore Jacobson

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Saturday, October 01, 2016, 23:31 (2968 days ago) @ Jefff

If you would like to know where Cornelia Street was it is shown on this map, revised 1898/9. Look due south of the name CARDIFF to the first isolated group of streets. Comparison with modern maps suggests it is no longer there.

http://maps.nls.uk/view/102183807

Theodore Jacobson - Cardiff docks, coal and steel.

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, October 02, 2016, 02:16 (2968 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Thanks Mike, that's a great map, especially if like me you're a fan of old industry and railways. It clearly shows the site of the new Iron works that Theodore helped to build c1890, the row of blast furnaces may be seen to the right(east) of the words "Dowlais Cardiff Works", shown as a row of small circles surrounded by the railway lines (used 24/7 to feed coal to the furnaces and take away the clinker and steel). Immediately east of them and towards Cornelia Street is the Sulphur & Copper Works, so any winds coming off the sea (which is just south of the map) would make Cornelia Street a rather smelly and probably unhealthy place to live !

Yes, as you say it's no longer there, like the steelworks all gone now.
By WW1 the Dowlais iron-cum-steel works at East Moors was under the ownership of the giant GKN company and was a world-force in quality steel manufacturing, especially large plate for ship-building in Belfast and the Tyne. As late as 1935 the plant was producing 3 million tons of steel a year !. Although Cardiff was bombed in WW2 the steelworks area largely escaped, so the houses weren't redeveloped because of bomb damage as with East London for example. Hower by the 1960s the steelworks was going into decline as new works in the Far East produced far cheeper steel. Similarly Welsh coal output was going into decline; after WW1 the Versailles Treaty meant that German "reparation" coal was far cheeper, plus steam ships and industrial boilers switched to oil-firing, so in general Cardiff's docks fell into steep decline, as did the area and it's inhabitants that had given the city it's prosperity.

However I do recall that as late as the early 1980s Cardiff City's football ground still carried huge painted hoardings backing the Steelworks, it was loved locally as THE major employer despite being an overwhelming eyesore and source of pollution.

However by then the area was now in severe decline and
"In 1979 the Eastmoors Steelworks finally closed and the newly-named Welsh Development Agency (formerly Welsh Industrial Estates Corporation) took responsibility for the clearance and site preparation of several hundred acres of land between Splott and the docks. The early 1980s saw the continuation of this trend. One of the most dramatic announcements of the time came in 1984, with the designation of an Urban Development Area comprising 80 acres of derelict land around the Bute East Dock. Tarmac was awarded the development rights which involved housing, offices and leisure. It was the forerunner to the much larger Cardiff Bay project which started in 1987, the Tarmac company stayed with it until it was completed in 2002."


Regarding that 1901 map, it bears good comparison with these aerial photos from 1929. The first shows the smoke from the steel and sulphur works drifting due east across Cornelia Street, just behind the Sulphur Works chimney at far right of the shot.
http://orapweb.rcahms.gov.uk/coflein/W/WPW029421.jpg

This photo from above the Bristol Channel includes the eastern end of the Roath Dock (built 1887), which lies parallel with the sea and is accessed from the River Taff (Cardiff Bay) to the west, again Cornelia Rd is on the far right of the Sulphur Works.
http://orapweb.rcahms.gov.uk/coflein/W/WPW029432.jpg

This map from 1901 is the adjoining page due south of the one Mike posted, showing the Roath Dock and what is now called Cardiff Bay.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102183921

Best finish now as appreciate this is straying off the Forest of Dean area, altho these activities were very much in line with the Dean's history.

Theodore Jacobson - Cardiff docks, coal and steel.

by little dover, Monday, October 03, 2016, 15:59 (2966 days ago) @ Jefff

You are all SO kind. Many thanks. This all makes such fascinating reading. I will post anything I find about this elusive Norwegian sailor. Thanks again.

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