MORGAN, Chepstow, Tidenham (General)

by Sian, Sunday, October 28, 2018, 15:22 (2211 days ago)

Looking for any information on the ancestors or children of James MORGAN, servant, and Sophia CLARK m 25 March 1811 St Mary, Chepstow. James may have died 1816 aged 30 giving a birth date c 1786.

Known children are:

Nathaniel James MORGAN - baptised 1814 Chepstow but also said he was born 1812 at Tidenham (1851 census). Married Elizabeth PETERS 1844 Newport, St Paul but had been married before (but to whom?), had at least 5 children: James 1838 Chepstow, Nathaniel 1840 Chepstow, George 1846 Risca Thomas 1847 Risca and William 1849 Newport.

James Huntingford MORGAN - baptised 1812 Chepstow

Thomas MORGAN - baptised 1816 Chepstow

There seem to have been a lot of Nathaniel Morgans in the area so I would be grateful for information about any of them for the purposes of elimination.

MORGAN, Chepstow, Tidenham

by MPGriffiths @, Sunday, October 28, 2018, 18:46 (2211 days ago) @ Sian

On Forest of Dean records


A siblings for James....

Thomas MORGAN - 28 April 1816
James (Servant) and Sophia
residence: Back Street, Chepstow

and the death of James MORGAN, 28 April 1816 aged 30 - residence: Back Street, Chepstow


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Marriage at Chepstow (St Marys) -

3 April 1838

Nathaniel MORGAN - Batchelor - occupation: Gardener
father: Jas MORGAN - Servant

Maria HARRY - Spinster
father: Geo HARRY - Malster

witneses 1: Wm HARRY
Witness 2: Orpheus LEWIS


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1841 Census, Chepstow, Monmouthshire

Nelson Street


MORGAN

Nathaniel - 27 - occupation, Gardener
Mariah - 24 (Ancestry has aged 74)
James - 2

MORGAN, Chepstow, Tidenham

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, October 28, 2018, 23:35 (2210 days ago) @ Sian

Hi Sian,
you say "Nathaniel James MORGAN .... Married Elizabeth PETERS 1844 Newport, St Paul but had been married before (but to whom?)" At first I read this to mean Elizabeth Peters had been married before, but now I think you mean Nathaniel, please can you confirm, thanks ?


Seems odd the whole family are so hard to find in the Census's ???, especially Nathaniel with his distinctive name (altho perhaps preferred James). ??
Except for 1851 as you know;

1851 Chepstow Road, Christ Church, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Nathaniel Morgan Head M 38 Market gardener. Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Eliza Morgan Wife F 30 Cam, Gloucestershire
James Morgan Son M 12 Errand boy. Chepstow, Monmouthshire
Nathaniel Morgan Son M 10 Gardener. Chepstow, Monmouthshire
George Morgan Son M 5 Risca, Monmouthshire
Thomas Morgan Son M 4 Risca, Monmouthshire
William Morgan Son M 1 Christchurch, Monmouthshire


1871 St Woollos, Monmouthshire, Wales
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Nathaniel Morgan Head M 62 Gardener & Salesman. Chepstow, Monmouthshire
Eliza Morgan Wife F 51 Gloucestershire
Richard Morgan Son M 18 Newport, Monmouthshire
Ann H Morgan Daughter F 17 Newport, Monmouthshire
John H Morgan Son M 14 Newport, Monmouthshire
Margaret Morgan Daughter F 6 Newport, Monmouthshire


Assuming Eliza was NOT previously married, could this be her ?, also from FamilySearch.
Presumably she's a servant at the Vicarage only a couple of miles from Cam, her place of birth ?.

1841 Vicarage, Stonehouse, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Lewis Mills M 35-39 Scotland
Elizabeth Caroline Mills F 30-34 Gloucestershire
Eliza Chandler F 20-24 Gloucestershire
Eliza Peters F 20-24 Gloucestershire
Mary Bigland Mills F 1 Gloucestershire
William Lanseler* Mills F 0 Gloucestershire
Susanna Francis F 69-73


From this FoD site's PRs;

Record_ID: 601517
Entry_Number: 369
Year: 1821
Month: Jan
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: PETERS
Child_Forenames: Eliza
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Cam
Occupation: Excavator
Officiating_Minister: Wm Fryer
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P69 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Cam
Soundex: P362

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Also from Familysearch, searching just the distinctive "Huntingford" name;

Name James Huntingford Morgan
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1901
Registration District Richmond (Surrey)
County Surrey
Event Place Richmond (Surrey), Surrey, England
Age 88
Birth Year (Estimated) 1813
Volume 2A
Page 271
Affiliate Line Number 66


which "fits";

1851 Raphael Street, St Margts, Westminster, Middlesex, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Jas H Morgan Head M 39 Clerk House Agents. Chepstow, Monmouthshire
Ann Morgan Wife F 43 Chepstow, Monmouthshire

(So Jas born abt 1812, Ann abt 1808).


1861 Walton Street, St Saviours, Chelsea, London, Middlesex, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James H Morgan Head M 49 Sanitary Inspector. Chipston
Ann Morgan Wife F 54 Chipston
Emily Morgan Niece F 9 Christchurch, Monmouthshire


1871 Fulham, London, Middlesex, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James H Morgan Head M 59 Sanitary Inspector. Chepstow, Monmouthshire
Anne Morgan Wife F 64 Chepstow, Monmouthshire
Emily Morgan Niece F 19 Chepstow, Monmouthshire
Eliza Morgan Niece F 12 Newport, Monmouthshire


1881 Walham Grove, Fulham, London,Middlesex, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James H Morgan Head M 68 Sanitary Inspector. Chepstow, Monmouthshire, England
Ann Morgan Wife F 73 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, England
Emily Morgan Niece F 29 Companion To Wife (Dom). Christchurch, Monmouthshire, England

Familysearch also has several! Electoral Register entries for James Huntingford Morgan dating from 1857 right thro' until 1903, all in Hammersmith/Fulham West London.
Yet cannot find him in these later census' tho ?

BUT did find this in FoD PRs;

Record_ID: 47818
Entry_Number: 220
Year: 1901
Month: Jan
Day: 5
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: James Huntingford
Residence: Kew Middlesex
Age_at_death: 89
Officiating_Minister: Rev[erend] E J Hensley
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: [1]Gentleman [2]M[ale] [3][place of burial] Plot E [number of grave space] 169 [4][Consecrated ground] Yes [5]Kew 2nd Int[erment] RPG No 202
Notes:
Register_Reference: D
Page_No: 11
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow Municipal Cemetery
Soundex: M625

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The same "Huntingford Morgan" general search also gave these records;

Name Anne Huntingford Morgan
Gender Female
Christening Date 06 Jul 1856
Christening Date (Original) 06 JUL 1856
Christening Place CHRISTCHURCH,MONMOUTH,ENGLAND
Father's Name Nathaniel Morgan
Mother's Name Eliza

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Name Annie Huntingford Morgan
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1874
Registration District Newport (Monmouthshire)
County Monmouthshire
Event Place Newport (Monmouthshire), Monmouthshire, England
Volume 11A
Page 272
Affiliate Line Number 284

Annie Huntingford Morgan probably married one of the following people
Name Thomas Jones
Name Henry Lansley

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Name Nathaniel Huntingford Morgan
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1882
Registration District Newport (Monmouthshire)
County Monmouthshire
Event Place Newport (Monmouthshire), Monmouthshire, England
Volume 11A
Page 108
Affiliate Line Number 71

MORGAN, Chepstow, Tidenham

by Mike Pinchin @, Bedford, England, Monday, October 29, 2018, 19:46 (2210 days ago) @ Sian

If it’s of interest I think this might be Nathaniel the younger,

GR 1861 Census, Devonport

In the household of Samuel SYMONS , 42, Barge Master,

Nathaniel MARYAN, Lodger, 21, Waterman, b. Wales, Monmouthshire

I’m sure the transcription should be MORGAN.

MORGAN, Chepstow, Tidenham

by MPGriffiths @, Tuesday, October 30, 2018, 08:48 (2209 days ago) @ Mike Pinchin

Ancestry has transcribed the name as Nathaniel MORGAN -

The G of Morgan - is written the same way as Samuel's occupation: i.e Barge

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