WW1 Soldier George HERBERT, from Brierley nr Drybrook. (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 23:50 (1984 days ago) @ Jefff

The second HERBERT listed in this site's WW1 Servicemen Database is briefly desribed as George, and like Stanley from Drybrook.

Could this be him, so born c1894 as per a soldier who thankfully survived WW1 ?;

Record_ID: 97699
Entry_Number: 1370
Year: 1958
Month: Jan
Day: 30
Surname: HERBERT
Forenames: George
Residence: Brierley Banks Brierley
Age_at_death: 66
Officiating_Minister: W Barber (Vicar)
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: new
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/38
Page_No: 172
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: H616

This COULD be his marriage;

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1917
Herbert George Phelps Westbury S. 6a 636
Phelps Edith G Herbert Westbury S. 6a 636

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HERBERT George PHELPS Edith Gertrude Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1917 17 77

Sadly their son Stanley died very young;

Record_ID: 95415
Entry_Number: 687
Year: 1918
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Surname: HERBERT
Forenames: Stanley
Residence: Brierley
Age_at_death: 2 years
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/14
Page_No: 86
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: H616

This site has his Inquest, it shows he died from "shock due to burns to neck, face and right arm".
I guess this is another case of the child pulling a pan of boiling water over him off the range, sadly all to common in those times. The Inquest confirms his parents' names and his father's role in the Tank Corps.
What a tragic Christmas for a young family who thought they'd just survived the war....
https://forum.forest-of-dean.net/inquests/php/popup.htm?../images/F331.png

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The most likely birth record I can find for this George is this one, but no corresponding Baptism;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1892
Herbert George Westbury S. 6a 237

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HERBERT George LYSHONS 1891 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 62 272

FamilySearch has these records which seem to fit; my lifelong interest in tanks means I find him a very interesting man indeed !

Name George Herbert
Event Type Military Service
Event Year 1917
Residence Place Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
Age 25
Military Company/Regiment Reserve Cavalry Regiment
Military Regiment H/43509
Military Battalion 5th Reserve Battalion
Birth Year (Estimated) 1892
Birthplace , Gloucestershire, England

Name George Herbert
Event Type Military Service
Event Year 1918
Residence Place Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England
Age 26
Military Company/Regiment Tank Corps
Military Regiment 312751
Military Battalion 22nd Battalion
Birth Year (Estimated) 1892
Birthplace , Gloucestershire, England

Ancestry appears to have his full Service Records.

1901 Holy Trinity, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Herbert Jr Head M 33 Coal Hewer Below Ground. Brierley, Gloucestershire
Catherine Herbert Wife F 33 Staffordshire
George Herbert Grand Father M 80 Living On Own Means. Brierley, Gloucestershire
Alfred Lyshon Son M 14 Coal Loader Below Ground. Hawkwell Row, Gloucestershire
Rose Herbert Daughter F 11 Scholar. Hawkwell Row, Gloucestershire
John Herbert Son M 10 Scholar. Brierley Row, Gloucestershire
George Herbert Son M 9 Scholar. Brierley Row, Gloucestershire
Lily Herbert Daughter F 7 Brierley Row, Gloucestershire
Florrie Herbert Daughter F 3 Brierley Row, Gloucestershire

This suggests Catherine Herbert may well be nee Lyshon, as per the Birth Record noted earlier.

So can find;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1889
Herbert Arthur George Westbury S. 6a 470
LYSHON Catherine Westbury S. 6a 470
Moore Samuel George Westbury S. 6a 470
TINGLE Jane Westbury S. 6a 470

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HERBERT Arthur George LYSHON Catherine Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1889 9 34

This full name explains why I struggled to find this "George Herbert" in other records.

Hence this Burial;

Record_ID: 324945
Entry_Number: 6901
Year: 1920
Month: Jun
Day: 15
Surname: HERBERT
Forenames: Arthur George
Residence: Brierly
Age_at_death: 53 years
Officiating_Minister: Edward Parnell Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/14
Page_No: 65
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: H616

So born abt 1867. per the census etc., including this;

1891 Holy Trinity, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Herbert Head M 23 Tin plate worker. Gloucestershire, England
Catherine Herbert Wife F 23 Gloucestershire, England
Rosana Herbert Daughter F 1 Gloucestershire, England
John Herbert Son M 0 Gloucestershire, England
Alice Herbert Sister F 13 Brierley, Gloucestershire, England
Elizth Wolridge Visitor F 18 England

Is this his Birth record ?;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
HERBERT Arthur ----- 1867 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 28 23

So could this (Arthur)George Herbert born c1867 be the same George who was George b1821 & Sophia's "Grandson" born 1868 wrt the 1881 Census ?

Yes, in fact his Grandfather George born 1821 is in the 1901 household posted above, where (Arthur)George aka George Jr has named him "Grandfather aged 80", now widowed since Sophia died in 1898.

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So, and as suspected, soldier George Herbert born Brierley c1892 to father (Arthur) George Jr born Brierley 1868

is indeed related to

soldier Stanley Herbert born 1894 to father John born Drybrook 1851, they appear to be first cousins.