I am hunting yet another link

Gerald Wilce not sure of birth Date, died 1950's Married an Elsie

Not sure how many children Gerarld and Elsie had. The ones I know are:

Arnold Howard William Wilce 1923 - 1998 married a Joy Smith

Arnold and Joy had 5 children Simon Gerald, Keith Albert, Fiona Joy, and Rachel and Elizabeth who are twins.

Simon has no children
Keith has two sons both Wilce's
Fiona married a Webster and has children
Elizabeth married a Giles and has children
Rachel married a Rowand and has children

And that's all the info I know really.

Gerald Wilce served as a Welsh guard

Arnold Howard William Wilce had around 6 siblings, known ones are John, William and Enid.

Elsie emmigrated to Canada with 6 of her children, but Arnold stayed behind, not sure why, but he was the eldest.

Birth

Name: Arnold H W Wilce
Mother's Maiden Surname: Wondrak
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1923
Registration district: Marylebone
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 733

Name: Arnold H W Wilce
Spouse : Mary J Brindley / Mary J Jones
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1948
Registration district: Don Valley
Registration county (inferred): Doncaster
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 1253

Name: Arnold H Wilce
Spouse Surname: Joy Smith
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1958
Registration district: Maidstone
Registration county (inferred): Kent
Volume Number: 5b
Page Number: 1437

Name: Arnold Howard W Wilce
Birth Date: 20 Jun 1923
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 1998
Age at death (estimated): 74
Registration district: Kings Lynn
Inferred County: Norfolk
Register number: 52A
District and Subdistrict: 6371A
Entry number: 102

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Name: Jerrold Tippins Wilce
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 236

1901 nr Farm Lane Ruardean
William Willie abt 1843 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Herefordshire
Marion Willie abt 1858 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Herefordshire
Arnold Willie abt 1886 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Herefordshire
Clarisa Willie abt 1895 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Herefordshire
Frank Willie abt 1889 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Herefordshire
Gerald Willie abt 1898 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Herefordshire
Harold Willie abt 1893 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Herefordshire
Maurice E Willie abt 1900 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Herefordshire

1911
WILCE MARIAN F 1858 53 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
WILCE ARNOLD T M 1886 25 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
WILCE AUSTIN W F M 1889 22 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
WILCE JERROLD T M 1899 12 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

Marriage

Name: Jerrold T WILCE
Year of Registration: 1923
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's Surname: Wondrak
District: St George Hanover Square
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 776

Name: Elsie H WONDRAK
Year of Registration: 1923
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's Surname: Wilce
District: St George Hanover Square
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 776

Wilce - Wondrak off spring ( again)

Arnold H W Wilce Jul Aug Sep 1923 Marylebone Greater London
Enid G M Wilce Apr May Jun 1925 Windsor Hampshire, Berkshire
Peter K Wilce Jul Aug Sep 1926 St Geo H Sq Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, Rutland
Estelle C Wilce Jan Feb Mar 1928 St Geo H Sq Greater London
William F Wilce Apr May Jun 1929 St Geo H Sq Greater London
John M Wilce Oct Nov Dec 1931 Godstone Surrey,Kent
Gavin Wilce Jul Aug Sep 1935 Hammersmith Greater London
Hazel E W Wilce Jan Feb Mar 1937 Lambeth Greater London

Name: Jerrold T Wilce
Death Registration Month/Year: 1947
Age at death (estimated): 47
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 482

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Year: 1911
Month: Feb
Day: 1
Surname: WILCE
Forenames: William
Residence: The Farm Ruardean
Age_at_death: 67 years
Officiating_Minister: Edward Parnell Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/14
Page_No: 34
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1891
Willm Wilce abt 1843 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Miriam Wilce abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Aonola Wilce abt 1886 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Florence Wilce abt 1890 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frank Wilce abt 1888 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frederic Wilce abt 1885 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Wilce abt 1883 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Matthews abt 1823 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Mother East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lily Matthews abt 1873 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1882
Month: Aug
Day: 26

Groom Surname: WILCE
Groom Forenames: William
Groom Age at Marriage: 38
Groom condition: Widower
Groom Rank or Profession: Coal Miner
Groom Residence: The Farm
Groom Father's Surname: Wilce (deceased)
Groom Father's Forenames: John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Quarry Man

Bride Surname: PARSONS
Bride Forenames: Miriam
Bride Age at Marriage: 25
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Ruardean Hill
Bride Father's Surname: Parsons (deceased)
Bride Father's Forenames: Benjamin
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Coal Miner

Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns: [not stated]
Signature or Mark: Both Sign
Witness 1: William Marfell
Witness 2: Mark of Latetia Tippins
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page No: 220
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1881
William Wilce abt 1843 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Catharine Wilce abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane H. Wilce abt 1869 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Wilce abt 1864 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Wakeford Wilce abt 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Wilce abt 1866 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: William Wilce
Name:Catharine Griffiths
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 388

1861
James Mathews abt 1823 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Esther Mathews abt 1824 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Matthews abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Matthews abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Wilce abt 1846 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1851
James Mathews abt 1823 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Hester Mathews abt 1823 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Mathews abt 1850 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
William Wilce abt 1843 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Stepson Ruardean, Gloucestershire

Name: Esther Wilce
Name: James Matthews
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 594

Year: 1848
Month: Mar
Day: 30
Surname: WILCE
Forenames: John
Residence: Ruardean
Age_at_death: 31
Officiating_Minister: R C W Collins Off[iciatin]g Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/12
Page_No: 122
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1843
Month: Mar
Day: 19
Parents Surname: WILCE
Child Forenames: William
Father's Forenames: John
Mother's Forenames: Hester
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Stone Mason
Officiating Minister: J. Chell
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P109 IN 1/2
Page No: 37
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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Name: Peter K Wilce
Year of Registration: 1926
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Wondrak
District: St George Hanover Square
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 548

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1891
Christian Kohn abt 1860 Preußen Head Bermondsey, London Leather dresser
Margaret Kohn abt 1863 Preußen Wife Bermondsey, London
Winifred Kohn abt 1887 Bethnal Green, London, England Daughter Bermondsey, London
Hermann Kohn abt 1889 Bermondsey, London, England Son Bermondsey, London
baby Kohn abt 1890 Bermondsey, London, England Son Bermondsey, London

Name: Elsie Hilda Kuhn
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: St Olave Southwark (1837-1901)
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 251

1901
Christian Kuhn abt 1859 Germany Head Bermondsey, London
Margaret Kuhn abt 1862 Germany Wife Bermondsey, London
Winifred M Kuhn abt 1887 Whitechapel, London, England Daughter Bermondsey, London
Herman C Kuhn abt 1889 Southwark, London, England Son Bermondsey, London
Frederick J Kuhn abt 1891 Southwark, London, England Son Bermondsey, London
Elsie H Kuhn abt 1899 Southwark, London, England Daughter Bermondsey, London

1901
Anton Wondrak abt 1878 Foreign Subj, Austria Lodger St Pancras, London

Name: Christian Kuhn
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 43
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 497

marriage
Name: Anton Wondrak
spouse Margareth Kuhn
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: St Olave Bermondsey (1902-1913)
County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 501

children :-

Name: Antor William L Wondrak
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 599

1911
WONDRAK MARGARETE F 1872 39 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
WONDRAK ANTON M 1874 37 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
WONDRAK ELSE F 1899 12 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
WONDRAK WILLIM M 1904 7 St Olave (Bermondsey) London

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CM

Did any of this help ?

Arnold H W Wilce Jul Aug Sep 1923 Marylebone Greater London
Enid G M Wilce Apr May Jun 1925 Windsor Hampshire, Berkshire
Peter K Wilce Jul Aug Sep 1926 St Geo H Sq Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, Rutland
Estelle C Wilce Jan Feb Mar 1928 St Geo H Sq Greater London
William F Wilce Apr May Jun 1929 St Geo H Sq Greater London
John M Wilce Oct Nov Dec 1931 Godstone Surrey,Kent
Gavin Wilce Jul Aug Sep 1935 Hammersmith Greater London
Hazel E W Wilce Jan Feb Mar 1937 Lambeth Greater London

< now starting to get to potential living relatives - so I tread carefully >

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All of it was brilliant thank you I managed to successfully find her link, or at least a possible link. I will put it on later as I am at work at the momnet.

Hello cmwilce,
I am Fiona Webster (Wilce) and have just started to compile my family tree. I found this site and was very surprised to find that i was on it with details of me and my family!!! Are you also doing the family tree? I guess we are related? My grandparents were Jerrold and Elsie and my father Arnold. Would love to hear more about the Wilce family.
Look forward to hearing from you

Fiona Webster (Wilce)

At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

WWI record
Name: Jerrold T Wilce
Regiment or Corps: Tank Corps
Regimental Number: 70180

Name: Jerrold T WILCE
Age 47
Year of Registration: 1947
Quarter of Registration: Jan Feb Mar
District: Chelsea
Volume: 5c
Page: 482

Name: WILCE, JERROLD TIPPINS
Initials: J T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Warrant Officer Class II (C.S.M.)
Regiment/Service: The Queen's Royal Regiment (West Surrey)
Unit Text: 30th Bn.
Date of Death: 10/01/1947
Service No: 2730326
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. William Wilce; husband of Elsie Hilda Wilce, of Chelsea.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot N. Grave 194633.
Cemetery: BROMPTON CEMETERY

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1841 Lydbrook / Morse area
John Wilce abt 1817 Ruardean, Gloucestershire Stone Cutter
Estes Wilce abt 1824 Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire

Name: John Wilce
Name: Esther Cook
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 26
Page: 275

Year: 1822 ??
Month: Aug
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: COOK
Child_Forenames: Esther
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Betty
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Jn HORLICK
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean Independent

Year: 1817
Month: Mar
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: WILCE
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Forest of Dean
Occupation: Quarryman
Officiating_Minister: T. D. Fosbrooke Min[iste]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

Year: 1810
Month: Nov
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: WILCE
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence:
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GAGG
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Ruardean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both signed
Witness_1: John GAGG
Witness_2: Sarah WILCE
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J H BEESTON - minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 0
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

which John WILCE ??

Year: 1786
Month: May
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: GAGG
Child_Forenames: Hannah
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 4
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

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Hi,
I am Rachel Wilce. (Fiona's sister)
Gerald & Elsie Wilce were my grandparents, although I don't have an awful lot of information about them. I'd love to know more abou that side of the family though.
R x

Welcome !

I think that you will find a fair amount of info here already... please note we try to "stop" before we get to living relatives .

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Hello, I am the grand daughter of Jerrold and Elsie Wilce. My mother is Estelle. My daughter is doing a family tree project at school and we came across this site. Its amazing. I hope to get more information to share.

Elsie Wilce passed away approx 1970.

Hi Kennsmom, if you're a grand-daughter, then we must be cousins! They're my grandparents too. My Dad was the eldest of their children, Arnold.

I think Elsie passed away in 1976, it definitely wasn't '70 because I remember my Dad being upset I was quite young, but I do remember.

Rachel Wilce

Deleted E-mail on advice....... but it's easy enough it's wilcey at hotmail dot co dot UK. (I hope that is understandable without being spam-bot traceable!) If you want to get in touch and swap family stuff please do so! :-)

Name: Elsie Wilce
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1897
Death Registration Month/Year: 1982
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1574

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Hi Rachel

I expect "Admin" are too busy watching the cricket in Australia. Normally A warning to delete your email address would appear. It is dangerous to publish your email address anywhere on the internet, there are automatic machines that trawl the internet looking for email addresses to attack or send spam to. Just click on edit and delete it.

You might like to know that you are my 9th cousin once removed. Not a close relationship but we are related. I have 228 Wilce's in my Family Tree. My main interest is the Marfell family.

If you go back 4 generations from the John Wilce 1817 who married Ester Cook in 1840 you come to Thomas Wilce 1707 who married Susannah Marfell 1706 on 15 Oct 1730.

Jim Ashton

Hi Cousin!

thanks for the warning, I'll amend that. Although I use this e-mail addy just for webstuff not anything else and it's available all over the net so not too concerned but don't want to upset the apple cart!

I'm sure Elsie died around the mid 70's despite the post saying her death was registered in '82. Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, unfortunately I don't know who to ask.....I'll see if one of my siblings has a better memory than me!

Does anyone have any idea what took the whole family off to Canada post war and my Dad stayed here in blighty?

R x

I can ask Aunt Babs or our Cousin Caroline (Bab's daughter). They will know. I will post the exact date then. We lived in Texas then and I remember my mom flying up but not sure of the date. I didnt think it was 1982 either. I do know my mom and Aunt Enid went to Canada first and settled in, then sent for the family. Don't know why your dad stayed behind but maybe I can get that information too.

Carole

An idea - Did she re-marry after Jerrold's death ?

Name: Elsie Wilce
Spouse :William C Ellis
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1948
Registration district: Colchester
Registration county (inferred): Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1182

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no she didnt remarry. The only William I knew of was her son.

Nana (Elsie) died in her 70's, dont have the exact date yet but that makes the 1982 theory incorrect. Also the reason explained to me that Arnold stayed behind is because his wife(your mom) didnt want to leave the UK. Will gather more info to post.
Carole

I could had sworn it was mid 70's....... goes to show how my age riddled memory is playing tricks! ha ha ha!

When did the family go over to Canada? I thought it was early 50's?
Thanks for the info, I'm loving this family sleuthing! ;-)

Cousin Rachel x

Unlike Jim, I didn't have any Wilce's in my family tree until I started looking at this thread - but I have a few now! My connection is through Miriam Parsons (1857), wife of William Wilce (1843) and her g-grandmother Lucy Baldwin. I make it we are 6th cousins once-removed!
Again (as Slowhands has commented elsewhere) it just shows how inter-related many of the Forest families were.

-Colin

Colin

Very interesting - the deeper you look, the more involved the inter-relationships, Lucy Baldwin is a classic case.

I had not investigated the parents of Mirrium Parsons before your comments, but having found her baptism in 1857 I find I have - separately - both her parents Benjamin Parsons 1825 & 6th cousin 3 times removed Jane Tippins 1833 in my family tree, indeed if you go back 4 generations via her father William you get back to the same Thomas Wilce 1707 & Susannah Marfell 1706 I mentioned in my previous posting.

Benjamin Parsons 1825 was son of James Parsons 1794 & Mary Parker 1798 they had 8 children, their son Timothy 1816 married Ann Hall 1822 and their daughter Rhoda 1849 married Cornelius Brain 1848 son of Simeon Brain 1819 and Ann Marfell 1824.
James Parsons 1794 & Mary Parker 1798 also had a son James Parsons 1823 who married Theophillia Meredith and their daughter Mary 1847 married Timothy Yemm 1847 son of Amos Baldwin Yemm 1819 and 1st cousin 4 times removed Rebecca Marfell 1816.

The parents of James Parsons 1794 & Mary Parker 1798 were Thomas Parsons 1770 and the Lucy Baldwin you mentioned born 1771.Thomas 1770 & Lucy had 6 children. Their son John Parsons 1797 married my Great Great Great Great Aunt Ann Herbert 1797. Their son George 1804 married my Great Great Great Great Aunt Margaret Herbert 1806 - not sisters. Their son Ephraim 1817 married Amelia Baldwin 1817, daughter of Joseph Baldwin 1780 & Sarah Smart 1786. Joseph Baldwin 1780 being the brother of Lucy Baldwin 1771 who married Thomas Parsons 1770.................where we started. However I cannot end without adding a further Marfell connection - Lucy Baldwin's brother Moses Baldwin 1777 married my Great Great Great Great Great Aunt Lucy Marfell 1775.

My mother was told by her mother Jane Kate Treherne nee Marfell "never mention the Marfell family outside this house as wherever you are, there is sure to be one listening"

Jim Ashton

Was William Wilce (1843) Jerrolds brother?

Jerrold T's father...

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I would like to get in touch. My mother Estelle passed away in June 2011.