Hi Pauline

It's good to have the 1851 census record too - definitely seems to be same family as 1841 - interesting too that Thomas Howels is now listed as Thomas Hore.

I looked on FreeBMD and found-
WOORE Eliza reg Dec1842 Ross
WHORE Harriot Whore reg Dec 1843 Ross (Whore is given as a surname and also first name)

Even if Anne was born c1801 as the 1851 census suggests, she still could not be the Ann Howells who married James in 1807 but she might possibly be his step daughter which might explain the confusing information for the baptisms of the three Howell children in Goodrich.

James born c 1778 at Welsh Bicknor remains a bit of a mystery as there is no baptism for him at Welsh Bicknor unless he is older than stated on the 1851 census. There seems to be a gap in the available baptism records for Welsh Bicknor before 1771 but hopefully the records for Goodrich may throw up some new information when they become available on-line. It would be interesting to see if there is a burial between 1804 and 1807 for the Ann who married James Woore in 1804 and also if there are any children from the marriage.

I guess we will need to be patient!

Rosemary

Marstow parish is between Ross and Monmouth - Pencraig / Whitchurch ish...

depending where he actually lived the area is possibly in Goodrich records as well as Marstow .....

Herefordshire Record Office

Marstow Parish Records [1707-1908] - ref. AG37
Goodrich Parish Records [1558-1952] - ref. BF16

L24/14 2 April, 1935
Contents:
Draft scheme for uniting the Benefices of Goodrich, Welsh Bicknor and Marstow, confirmed

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Marstow/index.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/Foy/index.html

I wonder ?

JAMES HOAR
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 OCT 1775 Foy, Hereford, England
Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: RICHARD HOAR
Mother: ELISABETH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C145911 1661 - 1861 0992149 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

RICHARD HOAR
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELISABETH JONES
Marriage: 23 JAN 1772 Foy, Hereford, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M145911 1661 - 1849 0992149 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

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My thought with James was that he might be Martha's brother as he was a witness to her marriage and also Martha and William Cole were witnesses to James's marriage to Ann Davies in 1804. It looks as if Ann may have died and James then remarried in 1807 but I would need to wait for the Goodrich burials for that period to come on-line to check for Ann's burial.

On the 1851 census there is a James Woore age 73 who seems to be the widower James who married Ann Howells in 1807 (but see my posts to Pauline) and he gives his place of birth as Welsh Bicknor. Interestingly on the 1851 census there is also a Matthew Woore age 70 at Goodrich who gives his place of birth as Welsh Bicknor but I can't find a baptism for either him or James even though the relevant dates are online. I thought it might be useful to look at earlier baptism at Welsh Bicknor to see if there were any more clues.

However it is also possible that James who married in 1804 is a different James from the one who married in 1807 and that the Marstow records might show his baptism and help in establishing his relationship to Martha. I hope all this makes sense!

Rosemary