George GIBBS born Mitcheldean about 1828

I am trying to find any record of the death of George Gibbs baptised Mitcheldean 28 March 1828. He married his second wife Prudence COLLINS, nee HARRIS, at Westbury on Severn on 28 September 1873. By the 1881 census at Worral Hill, Westdean, Prudence is shown as a widow. I can find no matching death on FreeBMD between 1873 and 1881. Can anyone help?

I am also trying to identify George's grandfather. FOD parish records show his father, also named George GIBBS, was baptised 8 March 1797 at Mitcheldean giving his parents' names as William GIBBS and Molly. I can find no marriage record for William GIBBS and Molly, but there is a marriage recorded in the FOD parish records for William GIBBS and Mary THACKWELL 19 December 1774 at Longhope. There are 6 children baptised by William and Mary between 1778 and 1794. I understand that Molly is an 18th century pet name for Mary, so is it possible that Mary and Molly are one and the same? Can anyone help me make the connection please.

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Year: 1797
Month: Mar
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: GIBBS
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Molly
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 19
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

1841
George Gibbs abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Mitchell Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Gibbs abt 1796 Mitchell Dean, Gloucestershire
Aaron Gibbs abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Mitchell Dean, Gloucestershire
George Gibbs abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Mitchell Dean, Gloucestershire
Matilda Gibbs abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Mitchell Dean, Gloucestershire
Nathaniel Gibbs abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Mitchell Dean, Gloucestershire

1851
George Gibbs abt 1797 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire Stone Mason
Ann Gibbs abt 1792 Brangston Attotts, Herefordshire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Aaron Gibbs abt 1837 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Matilda Gibbs abt 1831 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire

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Year: 1752
Month: Oct
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: GIBBS
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Catharine
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Rich[ard] Roberts Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 95
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

possible -
Year: 1772
Month: Jan
Day: 23
Surname: GIBBS
Forenames: Catherine
Residence:
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Parry Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/1
Page_No: 127
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

possible -
Year: 1801
Month: Mar
Day: 17
Surname: GIBBS
Forenames: George
Residence:
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/2
Page_No: 22
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

1841 Plump Hill
William Gibbs abt 1748 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire Sawyer
Ann Gibbs abt 1774 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Year: 1843
Month: May
Day: 23
Surname: GIBBS
Forenames: William
Residence: Plump in the Forest
Age_at_death: 91 by register 1
Officiating_Minister: George Cox Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 220 in 1/9
Page_No: 42
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

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Molly is a "pet" form of Mary so it all seems plausible.

Year: 1834
Month: Jun
Day: 18
Surname: GIBBS
Forenames: Mary
Residence: Plump Hill Forest of Dean
Age_at_death: 81
Officiating_Minister: George Cox Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 220 in 1/9
Page_No: 28
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

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Year: 1754
Month: May
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: THACKWELL
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Winifret
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P206 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 67
Parish_Chapel: Longhope

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There are 2 George GIBBS ( 1828/1830) in Mitcheldean in 1841
I did wonder if the Prudence marriage is the correct George ?

"son" MORGAN 1874 looks right for a father George a Mason.

Year: 1850
Month: Oct
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: GIBBS
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Mason
Grooms_Residence: Mitcheldean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: GIBBS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Brides_Surname: MATTHEWS
Brides_Forenames: Lydia
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Mitcheldean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: MATTHEWS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: James Gibbs
Witness_2: Matilda Gibbs
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E. Machen Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

1851
George Gibbs abt 1818 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Lydia Gibbs abt 1827 Nobemunsele, Herefordshire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire

1861 Old Engine
George Gibbs abt 1828 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire MAson
Lydia Gibbs abt 1827 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Aaron Gibbs abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Gibbs abt 1861 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Clara Gibbs abt 1854 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Gibbs abt 1852 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Gibbs abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1868
Month: Jun
Day: 5
Surname: GIBBS
Forenames: Lydia
Residence: Nail Bridge
Age_at_death: 41
Officiating_Minister: William Barker
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [Not Sta
Memoranda: Name is annotated NY 19R-4G Letter P in left hand margin
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12
Page_No: 22
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1871
The GIBBS children are spread out
unable to spot George GIBBS

now the Lydbrook COLLINS

1871 The Boarts
Prudence Collins abt 1826 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Esther Ann Collins abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Isaac Collins abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
James Collins abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Martha Collins abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Richard Collins abt 1863 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Sophia Collins abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

Name: George Gibbs
Name: Prudence Collins
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 471

Name: Morgan Gibbs
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 26

Year: 1874
Month: Aug
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: GIBBS
Child_Forenames: Morgan
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Prudence
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydbrook
Occupation: Mason
Officiating_Minister: Wm Wall
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born August 2
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 3/3
Page_Number: 59
Parish_Chapel: West Dean Methodist Circuit

1881 Worral Hill
Prudence Gibbs abt 1831 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Morgan Gibbs abt 1874 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Esther Collins abt 1865 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
James Collins abt 1870 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Richard Collins abt 1863 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Isaac Collins abt 1858 Lydbrook Lodger Cheltenham Gloucestershire

1891 Worral Hill
Prudence Gebbs abt 1825 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Morgan Gebbs abt 1875 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Frank Collins abt 1888 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean Gloucestershire

1901
Morgan Collins abt 1874 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Abersychan, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Collins abt 1877 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Abersychan, Monmouthshire
Lorrie Collins abt 1897 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Abersychan, Monmouthshire
Edith Collins abt 1899 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Abersychan, Monmouthshire
Eva Collins abt 1900 Pemhievciber, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Abersychan, Monmouthshire

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Thank you, Slowhands, for all your efforts. I think that I have the right George married to both Lydia MATTHEWS and Prudence COLLINS. On both certificates his father's name is shown as George GIBBS, a mason. The other George GIBBS shown on the 1841 census was the son of a William GIBBS a papermaker. You certainly made me think how I came to that decision.

I still cannot find any record of George's death between 1873 and 1881.

The William GIBBS and Mary THACKWELL parentage for George GIBBS baptised, 8 March 1797, Mitcheldean, seems plausible, but hopefully I might get some confirmation from another GIBBS researcher. Thanks once again.

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My name is David Gibbs, originally from Pontypool, South Wales.

I believe that I am a blood relative of Prudence Gibbs (later Collins) and would like to contact anybody that may be a far flung relative of mine in Lydbrook or Forest of Dean.

Please contact me via the forum.

Many thanks.

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Year: 1825
Month: Mar
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: HARRIS
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: extraparochially
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Sophia
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: extraparochially
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William Harris
Witness_2: Mark of Harriet Harris
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: T. D. Fosbroke Min[iste]r
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/6
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Walford

Year: 1828
Month: Feb
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: HARRIS
Child_Forenames: Prudence
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Sophia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lidbrook
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: J. Chell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 78
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1891 Worral Hill
Prudence Gebbs abt 1825 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Morgan Gebbs abt 1875 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Frank Collins abt 1888 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean Gloucestershire

1901
Wm Mantle abt 1875 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England Head Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire
Louisa Mantle abt 1877 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire
Wm Geo Mantle abt 1900 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England Son Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire
Prudence Collins abt 1825 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wifes Grand Mother (Grandmother) Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire

1911 ?
COLLINS PRUDEN F 1829 82 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Year: 1916
Month: Dec
Day: 21
Surname: GIBBS
Forenames: Prudence
Residence: Lydbrook
Age_at_death: 85 years
Officiating_Minister: G A Hopkins
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P208 IN 1/13
Page_No: 11
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

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Hello there,

I recently did a search on some of my relatives from Lydbrook, Glos. My name is David Gibbs and I believe that I am a descendant of Prudence Gibbs (nee Collins), originally from Lydbrook.

I found a forum where users Rick and Sheila were also searching for a George Gibbs, 2nd husband of Prudence. Her son was Morgan Gibbs, my great grandfather.

I would very much like to contact them - perhaps we are distant relations?

David Gibbs (originally from Pontypool, South Wales)

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David

I have Morgan Gibbs 1874 in my family tree, although I am not related to him and therefore not related to you, unless by subsequent relationships. I tend to follow the siblings and parents of spouses and sometimes go too far.

In this case Morgan Gibbs 1874 was the son of George Gibbs & Prudence Harris. Prudence Harris was baptised 10 Feb 1828 Drybrook, daughter of Richard Harris 1792/1875 & Sophia Roberts 1804/1836 **. Prudence Harris married James Collins 1821/1870 at Chistchurch 3 Dec 1848. James Collins died 2 Jun 1870 in an accident at Trafalgar Colliery : James was an Inclineman at Trafalgar Colliery, details of his death are recorded as "In attaching a loaded tram to a set the trigger slipped on a sleeper and the set backed and crushed him to death".

James Collins was the son of Jonathon Collins 1770/1853 & Martha Brakespear 1782/1838.

James Collins & Prudence Harris had 6 children including Sophia Collins 1860/1901 who married my Great Great Uncle George Treherne born 19 Jun 1857, one of the 3 illegitimate children of my Great Great Grandmother Charlotte Treherne 1820/1890 - George committed suicide 11 Mar 1913.

1851Census Woolhope, Herefordshire
James Collins abt 1822 East Hanney, Berkshire, Head
Prudence Collins abt 1827 Lidbrook, Wife
Sarah Collins abt 1849 Lidbrook, Daughter

1861 Census East Dean
James Collins abt 1822 N Head
Rebecca Collins abt 1822 N Wife
Sarah A Collins abt 1849 Ledbury, , England Daughter
Richard Collins abt 1852 East Dean, Son
Martha Collins abt 1853 East Dean, Daughter
James Collins abt 1856 East Dean, Son
James Collins abt 1857 East Dean, Son
Sophia Collins abt 1859 East Dean, Daughter

1871 Census West Dean
Prudence Collins abt 1826 West Dean, Head
Martha Collins abt 1854 West Dean, Daughter
Isaac Collins abt 1859 West Dean, Son
Sophia Collins abt 1861 West Dean, Daughter
Richard Collins abt 1863 West Dean, Son
Esther Ann Collins abt 1865 West Dean, Daughter
James Collins abt 1870 West Dean Son

1881 Census West Dean
Prudence Gibbs abt 1831 Lydbrook, Head
Richard Collins abt 1863 Lydbrook, Son
Esther Collins abt 1865 Lydbrook, Daughter
James Collins abt 1870 Lydbrook, Son
Morgan Gibbs abt 1874 Lydbrook, Son

1881 Census Worral Hill Lydbrook
George Treherne 1860 Lydbrook
Sophia 1860 Bream
George 1880 Lydbrook

1891 Censys Camomile Green, Lydbrook
George Treherne 1858
Sophia 1861Lydbrook
George 1880 Lydbrook
Lydia A 1883 Lydbrook
James H 1886 Lydbrook
Isaac C 1888 Lydbrook
Sydney 1890 Lydbrook

1901 Census Lydbrook 60 The Rocks
George Treherne 46 Coal Miner West Dean
Sophia 41 East Dean
George H 21 Coal Miner East Dean
Lydia A 18 East Dean
Isaac C 13 East Dean
Sidney 11 East Dean
James H 9 East Dean
William O 6 East Dean
Martha E 2 East Dean
Charlotte E 1 East Dean

See also the following thread :

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=19061#p19084

This thread put me in touch with my 3rd cousin Linda Watkins nee Treherne and brought about significant changes to my Family tree.

** I have 363 Roberts in my Family Tree so I would be interested in any information regarding Sophia Roberts 1804 who married Richard Harris 27 Mar 1825 Walford

Jim Ashton

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1911
TREHERNE GEORGE M 1856 55 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
TREHERNE ALICE F 1899 12 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
TREHERNE JIM M 1893 18 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
TREHERNE MARTHA F 1898 13 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
TREHERNE WILLIAM M 1895 16 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

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Thank you so much Jim!

You have saved me endless hours of research with this information.

I have always regarded myself as being 110% Welsh - I even speak Welsh! - but growing up was aware that my grandfather Morgan Gibbs (born Nov 1911) had a Forest of Dean connection.

His father, another Morgan Gibbs, was the son of Prudence Gibbs, although Morgan appears as Morgan Collins on the 1901 and 1911 census. The name change has confused the hell out of me.

The family clearly left the Forest between 1901 and 1911 to move to Pontypool in South Wales (where I come from), to work in coal mining. Any idea why? I understand Lydbrook has a history of coal mining, despite being a sleepy village today.

Any idea also who Rick and Sheila are? I have met a Sheila Gibbs a few years ago (before I got into this family history stuff!) and I know she is a relation of mine.

Anyway, thanks again for your time and effort. It is really appreciated.

Diolch yn fawr iawn,

David G.

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Hi, my name is Richard Collins, Prudence Collins/Gibbs was my great great grandmother. I have done a lot of research into her and her offspring. Morgan Gibbs was her child from her second marriage, he died in 1917 (Prudence only died in 1916) and is buried in Abersychan, somewhere I have a copy of his funeral card - I'll look for it if you are interested.
Like you (thinking you were Welsh) I thought we were a forest family through and through but my Collins line only came to the forest when Prudence and James married, he was from Berkshire. This is addictive stuff!

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Jim,
James and Prudence Collins were my great grandparents so I have been piecing the Collins family genealogy together for some years now. That has included a certain amount of tracking of James' and Prudence's children forward in time. I'm interested in your information on George Treherne. I had found his death transcribed by FreeBMD in the range of Jan-Mar 1913, and his burial record for 15 Mar 1913 can be found at the Forest of Dean website. (These are in perfect agreement with your date of his suicide, 11 Mar 1913.) Both record his age as 52. The various censuses in which he appears are also consistent with this age, and his birthplace is given as Bream, Gloucestershire.
All this information fits reasonably well with a birth transcription for a George Treherne in FreeBMB in the range Jan-Mar 1860 [Newent 6a, 232] (although that's not exactly Bream!) but it could also be consistent with the birth of a George Trehern (no e) in the range Jul-Sep 1857 [Monmouth 11a, 21] (which does include Bream). Neither agrees exactly with your date of his birth, 19 Jun 1857, however.
Since you have exact dates, mother's name and cause of death, you obviously have more detailed information than I've been able to track down. Can you give me some guidance to finding it too or does it come from family records of some sort?
John Hardy

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29th March 1917 Cwmffrwdoer, Abersychan,

Name: Morgan Gibbs
Death Registration Month/Year: 1917
Age at death (estimated): 42
Registration district: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 221

Name: Nellie S Gibbs
Mother's Maiden Surname: Russell
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1916
Registration district: Pontypool
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 355

Name: Richard E Gibbs
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Russell
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 391

Name: Morgan Gibbs
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Russell
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 371

1911
COLLINS MORGAN M 1874 37 Pontypool Monmouthshire
COLLINS ELIZABETH F 1876 35 Pontypool Monmouthshire
COLLINS BESSIE F 1908 3 Pontypool Monmouthshire
COLLINS EVA F 1901 10 Pontypool Monmouthshire
COLLINS FRANK M 1904 7 Pontypool Monmouthshire
COLLINS GEORGE M 1910 1 Pontypool Monmouthshire
COLLINS LOTTIE F 1897 14 Pontypool Monmouthshire
COLLINS MABLE F 1899 12 Pontypool Monmouthshire
COLLINS WILLIAM M 1906 5 Pontypool Monmouthshire

Name: Morgan Gibbs
Name: Elizabeth Russell
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 66

http://www.forest-of-dean.com/fodmembers/index.php?mode=thread&id=15254

2nd August 1874 The Boarts, Lydbrook

Name: Morgan Gibbs
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 26

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Thanks for for getting in touch Richard. I would very much like to see what you have on Morgan Gibbs. I have sent you a private e-mail via the links on this wonderful website!

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Hello David,
Prudence Harris Collins Gibbs was my greatgrandmother. Her son Isaac Collins (with her first husband, James Collins) was my grandfather. I have only followed the Gibbs line forward as far as Morgan Gibbs' marriage to Elizabeth Russell. From this message string I see that I probably didn't get farther because Morgan chose to take the Collins name for a few decades.
I have tried unsuccessfully to follow Prudence's line backward beyond her father and mother, Richard Harris and Sophia Roberts. There is a possibility that Richard was Richard Dobbs Harris the "base born son" of Hannah Harris but I can't be sure. I also haven't been able to determine for sure the date of Richard's death. Do you have any leads that could help?
John Hardy

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Hi John,

I have sent you a private message via the e-mail system.

To go back to the original posting from Rick and Sheila in 2008, there is a death of a George Gibbs (a stonemason) in Abergavenny in the Apr-Jun quarter of 1877. This may be Prudence Collins' last husband.

David

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David

I too would be interested in the parentage of Sophia Roberts 1804 as I have 364 Roberts in my family tree and it would be nice to turn a "connected" person into a relative.

Regarding the 1877 death, the date would make sense, her first husband James Collins died 2 Jun 1870, buried 5 Jun 1870 - An Inclineman he was killed in Trafalgar Colliery - In attaching a loaded tram to a set, the trigger slipped on a sleeper and the set backed and crushed him to death.

Prudence was therefore head of house in 1871 as James Collins had died the year before, she married George Gibbs 28 Sep 1873, but she was head of house again in 1881.

1891 Census Worral Hill, West Dean
Prudence Gibbs abt 1825 Lydbrook, Head
Morgan Gibbs abt 1875 Lydbrook, Son
Frank Collins abt 1888 Lydbrook, Grandson

1901 Census Tewkesbury
Wm Mantle abt 1875 Tewkesbury, Head
Louisa Mantle abt 1877 Lydbrook, Wife
Wm Geo Mantle abt 1900 Tewkesbury, Son
Prudence Collins abt 1825 Lydbrook, Wifes Grand Mother

1911 Census
COLLINS PRUDEN F 1829 82 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Jim Ashton

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I have yet again been asked a question and cannot reply as the thread is locked and I have to ask again

WHY ?

The thread in question is :

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=15254

The nub of the question is :

George Trehern (no e) in the range Jul-Sep 1857 [Monmouth 11a, 21] (which does include Bream). Neither agrees exactly with your date of his birth, 19 Jun 1857, however.
Since you have exact dates, mother's name and cause of death, you obviously have more detailed information than I've been able to track down. Can you give me some guidance to finding it too or does it come from family records of some sort?
John Hardy
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George Treherne 19 Jun 1857 is the illegitimate brother of my illegitimate Great Grandfather Walter Treherne born 8 Jul 1854. Both sons of Charlotte Treherne 1820/1890.

I had him wrong in my family tree until contact from my third cousin Linda Watkins nee Treherne. I am always happy to change my Family Tree to get it right. It was Linda who has the birth certificate for George Treherne born 19 Jun 1857 as shown in the thread which is linked to the one you replied to but is now LOCKED

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=19061#p19084

Jim Ashton

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To clear up the original post by Rick and Sheila way back in 2008, there are two death certificates for a George Gibbs on 9th May 1877 (464) and 10th May 1877 (470) at Gas Cottages/Fairview in Abergavenny district.

I believe these may well be the same person, as No.464 says 'Reg instead at No.470' on the death certificate. The cause of death 'Heart Disease' and the Registrar's name is also the same. Age of death is 50yrs on both.

I cannot confirm 100% that this is George Gibbs from the FoD who married Prudence Collins, but his death date and occupation 'Stonemason' indicate that this may well be him. Prudence Gibbs was not present at his death.

Its over the Welsh border, but does anyone know anything about Gas Cottages/Fairview in Abergavenny today?

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George GIBBS born Mitcheldean about 1828 (General)

George GIBBS 1797 Mitcheldean

William GIBBS 1752 Mitcheldean

Mary GIBBS 1754 ish - 1834 Mitcheldean

Mary THACKWELL 1754 Longhope

George GIBBS born Mitcheldean about 1828

George GIBBS born Mitcheldean about 1828

Prudence GIBBS (nee COLLINS / HARRIS) 1825 - 1916 Lydbrook

Rick and Sheila - GIBBS Family Lydbrook

Rick and Sheila - GIBBS Family Lydbrook

TREHERNE Family in 1911

Rick and Sheila - GIBBS Family Lydbrook

Rick and Sheila - GIBBS Family Lydbrook

Rick and Sheila - GIBBS Family Lydbrook

Morgan GIBBS/ COLLINS 1874 -1917 Lydbrook - prior thread

Morgan GIBBS/ COLLINS 1874 -1917 Lydbrook - prior thread

Rick and Sheila - GIBBS Family Lydbrook

Rick and Sheila - GIBBS Family Lydbrook

Rick and Sheila - GIBBS Family Lydbrook

George Treherne 1857 - re locked thread - George Gibbs

George Gibbs - death in Monmouthshire, May 1877