William WALKER born July 1856 Lydney

WILLIAM WALKER was my great grandfather. I have his birth certificate and baptism record but there is no mention of his father on either document so I assume he was illegitimate but I'm not sure how to find out who his father was.

He eventually moved to Cardiff to work at the tin works at Melingriffith.
I have his diary which records events while he was there but know nothing of his time in Lydney.

I assume he formerly worked at the tin works in the area - possibly Lydbrook.
His mother MARY ANN WALKER also came to Cardiff.

If anyone has any information I would be most grateful.

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Year: 1856
Month: Oct
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: WALKER
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydney
Occupation: Single Woman
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC209 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

any hints on Marriage cert ? ( I'm guessing this is it )

Name: Alice Dyer
Name: William Walker
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 411

1871
Charles Dyer abt 1826 Wick St Lawrence, Somerset, England Head Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Eliza Dyer abt 1828 Worcest, Somerset, England Wife Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Alice Dyer abt 1858 Willstock, Somerset, England Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Anne Dyer abt 1861 Willstock, Somerset, England Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Lousia Dyer abt 1863 Canton, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Maryann Dyer abt 1867 Canton, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan
William Dyer abt 1869 Canton, Glamorgan, Wales Son Whitchurch, Glamorgan
<Willstock = Kewstoke nr Weston S mare >

1861
John Jones abt 1823 Monmouthshire, Wales Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Jones abt 1829 Lydney Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Thomas Jones abt 1854 Lydney Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1857 Lydney Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Hannah Jones abt 1860 Lydney Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire

1871
John Jones abt 1820 Machen, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Mary Jones abt 1830 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Whitchurch, Glamorgan
William Jones abt 1857 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Whitchurch, Glamorgan
John Jones abt 1862 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Lydia Jones abt 1864 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Mary Jones abt 1866 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Elizabeth K Jones abt 1870 Whitchurch, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan

reverts to WALKER

1881
William Walker abt 1856 Lidney, Gloucestershire, England Head Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Alice Walker abt 1858 Weston Super Mare, Somerset, England Wife Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Mary Ellen Walker abt 1878 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan

1891
William Walker abt 1857 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Alice Walker abt 1858 Hewstoke, Somerset, England Wife Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Gweldonire M Walker abt 1884 Melingriffith, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan

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Many thanks
Yes thats the right William Walker and I already have the same info as you have given me. I am trying to find out about his mother Mary Ann but not having any luck.
No clues on the birth certificate - only Mary Ann.

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WILLIAM WALKER was my great grandfather. I have his birth certificate and baptism record

Yes thats the right William Walker and I already have the same info as you have given me.

thats why I asked about the Marriage cert !

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Sorry for the delay in replying but thanks for all of the fascinating info.

On William and Alice's marriage cert.his father is down as
William Walker deceased. Could it be that he was hiding the fact that he was illegitimate?

Witnesses were Evan Thomas and Catherine Stocker.

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Theres a good chance that that is the case .

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His mother MARY ANN WALKER also came to Cardiff.
possible :-

Year: 1829
Month: Nov
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: WALKER
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Catherine
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydney
Occupation: Mason
Officiating_Minister: H.C.H.Hawkins Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 107
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Year: 1829
Month: Apr
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: WALKER
Child_Forenames: Marianne
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydney
Occupation: Stonemason
Officiating_Minister: H.C.H.Hawkins Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 104
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

1841
James Walker abt 1800 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire Mason
Catharine Walker abt 1799 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
James Walker abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Walker abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Pricilla Walker abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Thomas Walker abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire

1851
William Spires abt 1801 Hucclecote, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary Spires abt 1800 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Mary A Walker abt 1829 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Niece Lydney, Gloucestershire
George Walker abt 1830 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Lydney, Gloucestershire
Ellin Walker abt 1851 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Niece Lydney, Gloucestershire

Year: 1824
Month: May
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: SPIERS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WALKER
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Chepstow [Monmouthshire]
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Ann Teague
Witness_2: John Walker
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Wm Jones
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 29
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

< not so > long shot - Mary marries a widower ??

Year: 1859
Month: Apr
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: widower
Grooms_Occupation: collier
Grooms_Residence: Newnham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: sawyer
Brides_Surname: WALKER
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newnham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Walker
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: mark of James Walker
Witness_2: mark of Fanny Waker
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E.C. Brice perp.curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Full and Newnham centred in box
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 119
Parish_Chapel: Newnham

1881
John Jones abt 1819 Machen, Monmouth, Wales Head Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Mary Jones abt 1830 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Whitchurch, Glamorgan
John Jones abt 1862 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Mary Jones abt 1867 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Kate Jones abt 1870 Whitchurch, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan

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Siblings of William

**Helen Lydia - christened Lydney 17 August 1851 (FOD records) - Bream Lane - Mother: Mary Ann - base born child
(Ellin 1851 census)

** Registered on FreeBDM - as Ellen WALKER- March Qtr 1851, Chepstow District (which includes Lydney)

Ellen is living with her Uncle William and Mary SPIRES in Lydney on the 1861 census.

Thomas WALKER WALKER - christened Lydney 5 March 1854 - Mother: Mary - Bream Lane - base born child (was his father also a WALKER?)
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Anna JONES - christened Lydney 25 December 1859 - Parents Mary & John JONES

Next door to Mary WALKER on the 1851 census is

William FELLOWS - 24
Mary - 22
Randal - 1 (christened Randal FELLOWS WALKER - Base born child of Mary - christened 26.10.1849

William FELLOWS married Mary WALKER - Lydney 10.12.1849 - Father James (Mason)

and her 3 Walker Brothers

*James - 19 c 1831
Thomas - 15 c 1836
Richard 12 - c 1838

Parents: James & Catherine WALKER
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The witnesses at the wedding of Mary WALKER to John JONES (Widower) 17 April 1859 the witnesses stated were James & Fanny WALKER

1861 census
Whitecroft
Newland
Bream
St James

*James WALKER - 29 born Lydney
Fanny - 28 - born Whitecroft
James - 6 born Lydney
Elias - 5 - born West Dean

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Thanks M P G its all starting to "come" together

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Year: 1847
Month: Sep
Day: 29
Surname: WALKER
Forenames: Catharine
Residence: Bream Lane
Age_at_death: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/11
Page_No: 146
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Year: 1847
Month: Aug
Day: 5
Surname: WALKER
Forenames: James
Residence: Bream Lane
Age_at_death: 48
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/11
Page_No: 146
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

possible parents/birth :-

Year: 1799
Month: Nov
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: WALKER
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wetherell Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 69
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

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On Mary's marriages certificate, she states her father's was John - occupation Mason.

Just to confuse things....

1841 census, Broad Holes, Lydney

John WALKER - 40 - Mason (born in County)
Sarah - 43 (think this is John's second wife) *
John - 15 - baptised 5.8.1827 - John and Ann WALKER - occupation Mason
Mary (?) - a faint second initial - age 13

Marianne WALKER baptised 5.9.1829 - Lydney - John - occupation Stonemason - mother Anne

possible marriage:

John WALKER (Widower) married 'Sally' Maddox - 8 June 1834 Lydney

You will also find on the FOD records

John WALKER married Anne TEAGUE 18 October 1826 in Lydney: Witnesses: * William SPIERS and Mary SPIERS

Which I think connects with census information on this subject

So we have two brothers: John WALKER : christened Westbury on Severn 28 February 1802 and James WALKER - Westbury on Severn 1799 - parents John & Sarah WALKER

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oh yes John and Ann look like the correct parents for the correct Mary-ann !

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As John and James are brothers - christened Westbury on Severn - parents John and Sarah WALKER, luckily these parents are still alive in 1841 and living in Lydney.

John WALKER - 72 (occupation Mason) born in County
Sarah - 70 - born in County
Henry SPILES (assume SPIERS) AGE 3

also just below this family is Charles WALKER (Mason) with his family

Possible Marriage.

John WALKER of Ruardean - married Sarah STERRY - Westbury - 8 March 1798 at Westbury - record on FOD

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