Mrs F Davis - Cinderford - Forest of Dean FHT Forum

I've located a Canadian Immigration Service manifest which lists Olive Millard (married name of Olive Elizabeth Smith), her daughters Marcia Patrica Millard and Maud Olive Millard are listed as passengers with her on the "Doric" departing Liverpool Aug 29th 1931 to Quebec 5 Sept 1931.

The manifest lists

Mrs F Davis - The Laurals, St Whites, Cinderford

as an aunt of (Name: Olive Elizabeth Smith
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 241)

Can anyone tell me anything about F Davis, The Laurals or St Whites?

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St Whites is that part of Cinderford leading down from Littledean Hill /Mount Pleasant towards Cinderford Bridge / Ruspidge

Not sure which house was The Laurels

Name: Samuel Millard
Name: Olive Beale
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Surname: Millard
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 624

Name: Marcia P Millard
Mother's Maiden Surname: Beale
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1928
Registration district: Mutford
Registration county: Essex, Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1769

Name: Marcia P Caldwell
Mother's Maiden Surname: Beale
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1928
Registration district: Mutford
Registration county: Essex, Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1769

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Not sure if I mentioned it clearly but Marcia Patricia Millard/Beale is my grandmothers sister, she died in Reno California USA 1986.

It appears my Grandmother changed her name before 1914 but after 1906 when Lovell Glendower Smith was born. I have a marriage certificate for that marriage but am convinced (and the paper work points to this) that it was fake and that my grandmother took the identity of her Grandmothers daughter (born 4 years previous to her in 1884).

I believe that there was an article in the local newspaper in 1914 (or close to) where a man shot at his wife at the train station as she was seeing a male "friend" off to the war. Does anyone know what newspaper that might be? My grandmother and Grandfather located it when we stayed in Little Dean in 1980. Also is there a train station anywhere near? My grandmother told me that they walked up the road to Cinderford (I think) and there was a newspaper office and they went through the old copies and found the article.

Just for my edification can anyone tell me the name of the old hotel/guesthouse on the hill (Broad st, I think) where Cromwell stayed and or the witches were burnt (vague memories of the stories about the place now but we stayed for a week or so while my Grandmother tried to find out about her mother). I was constantly being told that the place was haunted (I was 9 so I imagine that they enjoyed my response to the possibility and kept telling me)...

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If you stayed on Broad street then it might have been the George or Belfry as it is now known http://www.thebelfryhotel.co.uk/ or the Littledean House Hotel http://www.fweb.org.uk/littledeanhouse/location.htm . If it was the latter then you were 50 yards from the the Ruffett !

However there are few more in Littledean...

. at the top of the Ruffett on Littledean hill is the Royal Foresters hotel.

Not sure of the Cromwell link , but Coleford is where I associate Civil War events.

Littledean Hall is associated with Ghosts :-)

Cinderford had its own rail station, Station St leads from the Triangle down to the old Rail station site.( towards Bilson Green and Valley Rd) The line made its way, after a loop, south towards Cinderford Bridge / St Whites before leaving the town, or east from bilson towards Lydbrook/Monmouth, or north towards Drybrook.

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/cinderford/pages/page_18.html

WRT the old newspapers I suspect the
old Mercury office and print works at 3, Woodside Street, Cinderford.
http://artspacecinderford.org/index.php/about/page/the-new-mercury/

some papers at:-

Cinderford Local Studies Centre newspapers
•Dean Forest Mercury on microfilm from 1881 to 2007. Some gaps exist - please ask the staff for further information
•Newspaper cuttings about notable Forest people
For further information please contact us at:
Cinderford Library
Belle Vue Road
Cinderford
Gloucestershire
GL14 2BZ

Tel: Dean (0044 1594) 822581
Fax: Dean (00 44 1594) 824907

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[James SMITH alert - the name keeps popping up ]

Year 1906
Month Apr
Day 15
Grooms Surname DAVIS
Grooms Forenames Fred
Grooms Age 24
Groom Condition B[achelor]
Grooms Occupation Collier
Grooms Residence St. John's Cinderford
Grooms Fathers Surname Davis
Grooms Fathers Forenames George Henry
Grooms Fathers Occupation Collier
Brides Surname SMITH
Brides Forenames Elizabeth
Brides Age 23
Brides Condition S[pinster]
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence St. Stephen's Cinderford
Brides Fathers Surname Smith
Brides Fathers Forenames James
Brides Fathers Occupation County Court Bailiff [ Collery Bailiff ? -update Court Bailiff is correct]
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns [not stated]
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 James Smith
Witness 2 Eleanor Smith
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister W. H. M. Hancock
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P85/2 1N 1/6
Page Number 108
Parish Chapel Cinderford St Stephens

Year 1908
Month Aug
Day 2
Parents Surname DAVIS
Child Forenames Monica Primrose Eleanor Edith May
Fathers Forenames Fred
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Lower High Street
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister W H M Hancock
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P85/2 IN 1/2
Page Number 54
Parish Chapel Cinderford St Stephens

Year 1910
Month Jul
Day 28
Parents Surname DAVIS
Child Forenames Frederick John
Fathers Forenames Fred
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruspidge
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister J Martin Vicar
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P85/2 IN 1/2
Page Number 71
Parish Chapel Cinderford St Stephens

Year 1912
Month Jun
Day 20
Parents Surname DAVIS
Child Forenames Richard Ernest
Fathers Forenames Fred
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Bilson Green Cinderford
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister J Martin Vicar
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P85/2 IN 1/2
Page Number 86
Parish Chapel Cinderford St Stephens

Year 1914
Month Mar
Day 18
Parents Surname DAVIS
Child Forenames Olive Elizabeth
Fathers Forenames Fred
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Bilson Green Cinderford
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister J Martin Vicar
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P85/2 IN 1/2
Page Number 95
Parish Chapel Cinderford St Stephens

1911 Buckslaft Ruspidge , Cinderford, Glos
Fred Davis 28 Ruspidge Miner married 5 years
Elizabeth Davis 27 Littledean
Monica Davis 2 Ruspidge
John Davis 1 Ruspidge

1901 ?
Elizabeth Smith abt 1883 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Servant Bristol,

1901
George Davis abt 1842 Ellwood, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean,
Edith Davis abt 1842 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England [Head ] East Dean,
John Davis abt 1865 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean,
Richard Davis abt 1882 Ruspidge Son East Dean,
Fred Davis abt 1883 Ruspidge Son East Dean,

1891
George Davis abt 1842 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Davis abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Davis abt 1865 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
James E Davis abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas S Davis abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eveline Davis abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Davis abt 1881 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Fred Davis abt 1882 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Louisa Davis abt 1885 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1882
Month: Apr
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: DAVIS
Child_Forenames: Fred
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Edith
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Cinderford
Occupation: Mine Bailiff
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Mar 8 1882
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 189
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

the correct SMITH family which is the Cissie link and hence Aunt

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=18442
1901 Roughet Lane
James Smith abt 1856 Liberton,[TIBBERTON] Gloucestershire, England Head Littledean, Gloucestershire Carter on Farm
Elizabeth Smith abt 1858 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Littledean, Gloucestershire
Cissie Smith abt 1884 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Littledean, Gloucestershire
Gertrude Smith abt 1889 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Littledean, Gloucestershire

1891
James Smith abt 1843 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Littledean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Littledean, Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Littledean, Gloucestershire
George Smith abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Littledean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1883 East Eean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Littledean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1884 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Littledean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Smith abt 1886 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Littledean, Gloucestershire
Emma Smith abt 1889 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Littledean, Gloucestershire

1881 Roughet
James Smith abt 1843 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Little Dean, Iron Miner
Elizabeth Smith abt 1847 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Little Dean,
James Smith abt 1876 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean, G
Ellen Smith abt 1878 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Little Dean,
George Smith abt 1880 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Son Little Dean,
Eli Gardner abt 1827 Collafield, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Little Dean,

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Well your guess about Davis was interesting at first but right now I'm convinced your a genius because it led me directly to look at some different possibilities and it turns out that on the 1911 Census Lovell is living with his grandparents James and Elizabeth Smith and James is a county court Bailiff (they had 7 children, 1 dead) and lived high st Cinderford. I can't imagine that there were that many Bailiffs in the area...

I noted that Great Granny wasn't there so I looked for her in that census and found Olive Smith 22 married to Charles Smith 23 (coal miner) Church Road Cinderford. Perhaps there was another Olive Smith of the same age. I'll look tomorrow but otherwise the picture I'm getting is that this is yet another husband. She did say that she had done some terrible thngs...

I'll digest fully what you have written tomorrow, its late and I'm freezing...

Thanks again and I really really do want to send you that xmas present...

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Humbly, I say "Sorry!"

Prozac in the post :-)

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I located the details on Millard, interestingly: my Greatgrandmother used to say "the brewery people are after me" when she started to lose it near the end of her life.

It turns out that Samuel Millard was a brewery manager, he was 59 when they married in 1914 she was 26.

Thanks for the sorry, I'm trying to figure out how I explain all this to my Grandmother without hurting her feelings. Deep down I know she suspected that the tale would be bad. It certainly becomes sordid later on with Caldwell leaving his wife and daughters so no surprise it starts badly as well.

Thanks again for your help...

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one to rule out I'm afraid

1901Ruspidge
Mark Smith abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Caroline Smith abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Walter Smith abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Smith abt 1884 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Agnes Smith abt 1891 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Smith abt 1895 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1891
Month: Aug
Day: 16
Surname: SMITH
Forenames: Charles Edward
Residence: Ruspidge Cinderford
Age_at_death: 3 years
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14
Page_No: 4
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

1891 Ruspidge
Mark Smith abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Caroline Smith abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Walter Smith abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Smith abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1882 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Beatrice abt 1883 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Maryann Eliza Smithabt 1886 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Henry Smith abt 1888 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Agnes Amelia Smith abt 1890 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1888
Month: May
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Charles Edward
Fathers_Forenames: Mark
Mothers_Forenames: Caroline
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruspidge Cinderford
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Mar 10 1878 or 1888
Notes: Yr. Of birth is unclear because the third number is overwritten
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 217
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Johns

1881
Mark Smith abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
Caroline Smith abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
Walter Smith abt 1877 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
William Smith abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean,
Jasper Edwards abt 1866 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Westbury On Severn - East Dean,

Year: 1876
Month: Apr
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: Mark
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: New Road
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [DEAD]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: EDWARDS
Brides_Forenames: Caroline
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Blakeney Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: EDWARDS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Eliza Morse
Witness_2: James Morse
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: S G Edwards
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 42
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill

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