I am looking for the maiden name of my gt grandads wife. My gt grandad was Leonard eli Roberts b)c1884 east dean, son of Thomas & Emily Roberts. he would have been married sometime between 1902 & 1911. His bride was called Selina jane? this is the name shown on her grave stone here in castelford, Yorkshire. But i have also been told that she was sometimes called Jinnie or Josie. I am in need of her maiden name to continue my research.
many thanks tracy

Hi,

Do you know how old she was when she died?

The only Selina Jane who is about the same age as Leonard is Selina Jane Way Baptised 1881 Chepstow Monmouth.

I looked through the parish records with her christian name and in the surname box put A*, then B*, then C* until I'd gone through the alphabet. There are a couple of others but 8 to 10 years older than Leonard.
Have a look.

Regards
Julie

If you are able to supply names of children from the union we may be able to track down the surname by searching Birth Indexes.

Mike

he would have been married sometime between 1902 & 1911.

I'm assuming you know where they are in 1911 (The 1911 census for England and Wales was taken on the night of Sunday 2 April, 1911) - if so can you share that as it may help find the marriage or children born after 1912

possible couples :-
Name:Jennet Howard
Name: Leonard T Roberts
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Pontypridd
County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 984

Name: Jessie F Booth
Name: Leonard S Roberts
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Louth
County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 1633

False start !

Year: 1914
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: ROBERTS
Grooms_Forenames: Leonard
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Clearwell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Retired
Brides_Surname: PRITCHARD
Brides_Forenames: Florence Alice
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Clearwell
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Pritchard
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Edwin
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Edwin Pritchard
Witness_2: James Sewell Smith
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Robinson
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Vicar erroneously entered ROBERTS as bride's surname
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 138
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell

Year 1916
Month Jun
Day 8
Parents Surname ROBERTS
Child Forenames Cyril Leonard
Fathers Forenames Leonard
Mothers Forenames Florence Alice
Mothers Surname
Residence Coleford Gloucester
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister J. E. Squire
Event Baptism
Memoranda United Methodist Chapel Clement's End Green
Notes Born May 5 1916 Son of
Register Reference D2598 5/6
Page Number 154
Parish Chapel Forest of Dean Bible Christian Circuit

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FreeBMD (on the Net)

Mid-way through the 'Quarters of 1911' (and from then on) - the mother's maiden name also appears on FreeBMD records

Look for the baptism of children born 1911 onwards - and the Mother's surname will be there

Name: Leonard E G Roberts
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pontefract
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 148

updated 18/6/09 19:45

Name: Cyril Roberts
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Hart
District: Pontefract
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 335

Name: Wilfred A Roberts
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hart
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1917
Registration district: Pontefract
Registration county: Yorkshire
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 250

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hello

1911 census they are in the Pontefract area.
index as follows;

ROBERTS ENNIE ELIZABETH F 1906 5 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD ROBERTS JANE SEALEAR F 1883 28 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
HOUSEHOLD ROBERTS VERY MAY F 1908 3 Pontefract
+ Leonord Roberts 1884

hope this helps...gill

... as in Jane Selina !!!!

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thanks for this bit of info. i didnt know that from 1911 they showed the mothers maiden name. My grandad was len edward george roberts born in 1911 in castleford. i looked this up but it didnt give his mothers name. but he had a brother cyril born 1914 so i looked him up on free bmd & i found her. her maiden name was HART. thankyou so much to you all for your help.

Marriages Dec 1901
Hart Jane Bedwelty 11a 123
ROBERTS Lenird Bedwelty 11a 123

Births Jun 1883
Hart Selina Jane Westbury S. 6a 252

1891 Census
George Hart abt 1857 Cheltenham Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Hart abt 1858 Forest of Dean Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Florance Hart abt 1881 Cheltonham Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Hart abt 1883 Forest of Dean Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Hart abt 1885 Forest of Dean Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Hart abt 1887 Forest of Dean Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Hart abt 1891 Forest of Dean Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

Marriages Dec 1880
BURROWS Rose Cheltenham 6a 805
Hart George Cheltenham 6a 805

1881 Census:
Rose Hart abt 1861 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
George Hart abt 1861 Cheltm, Gloucestershire, England Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

1871 Census
Joseph Mills abt 1803 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Head St Luke, Gloucestershire
Ann Mills abt 1804 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Luke, Gloucestershire
Joseph Hart abt 1826 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Boarder St Luke, Gloucestershire
Salina Hart abt 1830 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Boarder St Luke, Gloucestershire
Mary A Hart abt 1853 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Luke, Gloucestershire
Thomas Hart abt 1855 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son St Luke, Gloucestershire
Rosa Hart abt 1856 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Luke, Gloucestershire
George Hart abt 1861 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son St Luke, Gloucestershire
Charles Hart abt 1863 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son St Luke, Gloucestershire
Richard Hart abt 1867 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son St Luke, Gloucestershire

1861 Census:
Joseph Hart abt 1826 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Selina Hart abt 1831 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Edwin Hart abt 1852 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Mary Hart abt 1853 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Thomas Hart abt 1854 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Rose Hart abt 1856 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Caroline Hart abt 1858 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Joseph Hart abt 1859 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

1851 Census (GFHS transcript)
Piece Folio SchNo Town Surname Forename Relatn Marr Age Occupation County Place
1973 0852 028 Exmouth St,30 HART Joseph HD M 24 Sawyer GLS Cheltenham
1973 0852 028 Exmouth St,30 HART Selina WI M 21 Sawyer's Wife GLS Stroud

Marriages Sep 1850
Hart Joseph Cheltenham 11 292
Mills Selina Cheltenham 11 292

Mike

Name: Selina Jane Hart
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 252

1901 Ruspidge
George Hart abt 1857 Cheltenham Head East Dean, Gloucestershire Coal Miner
Rosa Hart abt 1857 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Hart abt 1883 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Hart abt 1887 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Hart abt 1891 Ruspidge Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Hart abt 1893 Ruspidge Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harry Hart abt 1900 Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

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1841 census
Gloucestershire
District 31
Page 2 of 24
Painswick Place - Cheltenham

HART

Thomas - age 25 (Sawyer) - not born in County
Ann - 30 - not born in County
Joseph - 15
Ann - 10
Thomas - 8
Charles - 5
William - 3

1851 Census

Cheltenham
31 Hermitage Place

HART

Thomas - 50 Labourer - Sawyer, Glos Dymock
Ann - 44 - Exeter
Ann - 22 Dressmaker, Cheltenham
Charles - 14
Richard - 11
Henry - 9
George - 7
Elizabeth - 4

Name: Leonard Eli Roberts
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 258

1901
Emily Roberts abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Housekeeper East Dean, Gloucestershire
Leonard Roberts abt 1884 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eva Roberts abt 1887 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Roberts abt 1891 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Roberts abt 1893 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Thomas Roberts abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Emily Roberts abt 1849 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
James Roberts abt 1876 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
William Roberts abt 1877 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Leonard Roberts abt 1883 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Eva Roberts abt 1888 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Emily Roberts abt 1890 R Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Gloucestershire

1881
Thomas Roberts abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Roberts abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Roberts abt 1876 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Roberts abt 1878 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Emily Gladwin
Name: Thomas Roberts
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 471

1871 ?
Willm Roberts abt 1825 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Roberts abt 1829 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Roberts abt 1853 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
L A Roberts abt 1855 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
M A Roberts abt 1857 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jas Roberts abt 1860 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mariah Roberts abt 1863 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1861
James Gladwin abt 1816 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Gladwin abt 1816 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Gladwin abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Gladwin abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Gladwin abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1854
Month: Nov
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: GLADWIN
Child_Forenames: Emily
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Bilson
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: H G Nicholls Incumbent
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 135
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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I cannot tell you all how gratefull i am for all the info you have posted for me. i have found out more than i could ever imagine when i posted my plea for help. My grandad was leonard edward george roberts born here in castleford in 1911. i remember him as a lovely gentle, helpfull & kind man, & now i know he must have got it from his forest of dean ancestors. Thankyou all for all your help. tracy x x

on behalf of the board, thanks for your feedback and you are most welcome here

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