George PROBERT born 1843 Coleford (General)
by Woody 
, South Africa, Saturday, July 11, 2009, 14:05 (5688 days ago)
I am trying to trace my great great grandfather
My great grandfather was GEORGE PROBERT born in 1843 in Coleford (Berry Hill?)
He married ANN SHAW at Grappenhall Chester in 1868 and some time later emigrated to South Africa.
From the 1851 census it appears that GEORGE PROBERT was living in Coleford, Monmouth both George and his father were stonemasons.
I would appreciate any help in this regard
Brian
George PROBERT 1843 Berry Hill / Christchurch
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Saturday, July 11, 2009, 14:37 (5688 days ago) @ Woody
a non-conformist family , I suspect
marriage of William PROBERT and Maria PEWTNER approx 1835 is found !
Year: 1836
Month: Feb
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: RUDGE
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Penallt
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: PEWTNER
Brides_Forenames: Maria
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Penallt
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Charles Miles
Witness_2: Margaret Miles
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Penallt Monmouth
1841 Worcester Walk
William Probert abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Maria Probert abt 1811 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Probert abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Henrietta Probert abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Edward Probert abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Probert abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
1851 Christchurch / Berry Hill area
William Sebert abt 1811 Hillersland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire Tyler and plasterer
Maria Sebert abt 1809 New Weis, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henriete Sebert abt 1839 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Edward Sebert abt 1841 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Sebert abt 1843 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A Sebert abt 1845 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Sebert abt 1848 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
1861 Berryhill Rd
William Probert abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Maria Probert abt 1812 Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England Wife Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Edward Probert abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
George Probert abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Probert abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
1871
William Probert abt 1811 Helliers Land, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Maria Probert abt 1810 New Weir, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
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George PROBERT 1843 Berry Hill / Christchurch
by Woody , South Africa, Monday, July 13, 2009, 13:07 (5686 days ago) @ slowhands
Thanks for the info.
I do know that GEORGE PROBERT had a brother EDWARD so it seems that the PROBERTS 1861 Berryhill Rd are my ancestors. Hopefully I will be able to trace WILLIAM PROBERT'S birth or baptism certificate and find out who his parents were.
RUDGE / PROBERT Berry Hill / Christchurch
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, July 13, 2009, 13:21 (5686 days ago) @ Woody
WILLIAM PROBERT'S birth or baptism certificate
I hope you can but I suspect this is a unconventional family for whom records are "thin" at least !
Year: 1836
Month: Dec
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: PROBERT
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth Pewtner
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Christ Church
Occupation: Tiler
Officiating_Minister: T.R. Garnsey
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 8212
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Year: 1848
Month: Jul
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: PROBERT
Child_Forenames: Emma
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Shortstanding
Occupation: Tiler
Officiating_Minister: J. Banks
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Year: 1842
Month: Jul
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: RUDGE
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Short Standing
Occupation: Tiler
Officiating_Minister: T.R. Garnsey
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 8212
Page_Number: 77
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Year: 1840
Month: Aug
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: RUDGE
Child_Forenames: Edward
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Short Standing
Occupation: Tiler
Officiating_Minister: T.R. Garnsey
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 8212
Page_Number: 64
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
1838 RUDGE Henrietta William Maria Tiler Christchurch
1844 RUDGE Mary Anne William Maria Tiler Plasterer Christchurch
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William RUDGE / PROBERT 1811 explanation
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, July 13, 2009, 13:33 (5686 days ago) @ Woody
Year 1811
Month Mar
Day 24
Parents Surname RUDGE
Child Forename(s) William
Father's Forename(s)
Mother's Forename(s) Sarah
Mother's Surname
Place of Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event type Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P138 in 1/4
Page No 29
Parish/Chapel English Bicknor
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=8755
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William RUDGE / PROBERT 1811 explanation
Oh no! Not the dreaded William Rudge/Probert!! Thanks for your efforts on this one Slowlands.
Woody - in case you are baffled, and who can blame you, a quick catch up! This individual was baptised, as Slowhands says, in 1811 as the son of Sarah Rudge. The following year, 18 Jun 1812, Sarah married James Probert. Whether William's father was James Probert or the butcher, the baker or the candlestick maker we will never know, but thereafter he used the 2 names interchangably, not only for himself, but also for his children - on the whole favouring Rudge for baptisms but Probert when the census enumerator came to call.
His wife was Maria Pewtner - I have shed loads of info on Pewtners if you need it.
However, going back to your original message, you say that "From the 1851 census it appears that GEORGE PROBERT was living in Coleford, Monmouth both George and his father were stonemasons". I've just had a quick look at Ancestry 1851. The George who is the son of the annoying William is transcribed as "Sebert", b app 1843 and living in West Dean. There are also Georges of similar age in Ruardean and East Dean, but I can't see one in Coleford, nor any that were stonemasons. So are we talking about the same George?
Joss
William RUDGE / PROBERT 1811 explanation
by Woody , South Africa, Saturday, August 01, 2009, 10:10 (5667 days ago) @ joss
I'm trying to trace the parents of JAMES PROBERT who married SARAH RUDGEin 1812. I see on the marriage notice that the witnesses were RICHARD PROBERT and MARY PROBERT. I wonder if these people wre James' parents or siblings?
Anybody got any info on this?