Will there be any additional information on the actual parish registers for the baptism (1797) and marriage (1820) for George Davis, as opposed to that transcribed in the records on this site?

I still have the dilemma of two George Davis's baptised in Newent only 9 months apart, and can't fathom out which is the right one. One is dated July 30th 1797, and the other May 13th 1798, and obviously to settle matters and try and go further back i need to be sure of his parents.

Slowhands had suggested checking the death certificate to see if that helped but to no avail. I'm leaning to the 1797 George but only i think because i have lots of information on his brothers & sisters.

The 1841 census has him as George Danis in Upleadon, but by then he has set up home with his family, and left his parents behind.

Any help appreciated.

Mike Davies

Children of John & Elizabeth DAVIS (Newent)

Thomas - 6 November 1791
Elizabeth - 22 September 1793
Charles - 19 July 1795
George - 30 July 1797

Children of William & Margaret DAVIS (Newent)
George - 13 May 1798
Mary - 12 December 1800

As family names go through generations, check census for these.

Having a quick look at the 1861 Census
1 Emma Buildings

George Davis age 63 c 1798 (Newent) is living in Yorkshire with his wife Mary, and was a Chelsea Pensioner and Shoemaker.

He is still there on the 1871 Census (2 Emma Buildings) widower - age 73 c 1798 (Newent) - Shoemaker (with a dislocated hip!)

< my hunch as to which is which !>

He has a daughter Elizabeth - a fairly popular name but mother is an Elizabeth
The census birth years seem more 1796/97

Year: 1797
Month: Jul
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: DAVIS
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J Foley Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN1/3
Page_Number: 47
Parish_Chapel: Newent

1841
George Danis abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley, Gloucestershire Ag Lab
Ann Danis abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley, Gloucestershire
Sarah Danis abt 1824 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley, Gloucestershire
Josiah Danis abt 1824 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Danis abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Danis abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley, Gloucestershire
Paul Danis abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Pauntley, Gloucestershire

1851
George Davis abt 1797 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Head Upleadon, Gloucestershire
Ann Davis abt 1801 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife Upleadon, Gloucestershire
Josia Davis abt 1822 Pauntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Upleadon, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Davis abt 1834 Pauntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Upleadon, Gloucestershire
Paul Davis abt 1837 Pauntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Upleadon, Gloucestershire

1861
George Davis abt 1797 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Head Upleadon, Gloucestershire
Ann Davisabt 1799 Dymock, Gloucestershire, England Wife Upleadon, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Davis abt 1834 Pauntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Upleadon, Gloucestershire
William Davis abt 1855 Upleadon, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Upleadon, Gloucestershire
Ann Davis abt 1858 Upleadon, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Upleadon, Gloucestershire

1871
George Davis 75
Ann Davis 73
William Davis 15

Name: George Davis
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 85
District: Newent
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 138

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

< my hunch as to which is which !

if we can find his father as a shoe maker even better !>
The census birth years seem more 1798/99
He seems to have been in Yorkshire for some time mid 1820's?

Consider parents being in Newent /Linton possible burial for Mother -

Year: 1814
Month: Sep
Day: 18
Surname: DAVIS
Forenames: Margaret
Residence: Linton
Age_at_death: 36 years
Officiating_Minister: Arthur Matthews Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AR91/10
Page_No: 3
Parish_Chapel: Linton

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Year: 1798
Month: May
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: DAVIS
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J Foley Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN1/3
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Newent

1841
George Davis abt 1801 Holy Trinity, Yorkshire
Mary Davis abt 1806 Yorkshire, England Holy Trinity, Yorkshire
Matilda Davis abt 1827 Yorkshire, England Holy Trinity, Yorkshire
Richard Davis abt 1831 Holy Trinity, Yorkshire
Ann Davis abt 1832 Yorkshire, England Holy Trinity, Yorkshire
Selina Davis abt 1838 [3 months ?] Yorkshire, England Holy Trinity, Yorkshire

1851
John Daves abt 1798 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Head Sculcoates, Yorkshire Cordwainer / Chelsea Pensioner
Mary A Daves abt 1802 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Wife Sculcoates, Yorkshire
Selina Daves abt 1841 York, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sculcoates, Yorkshire

1861
George Davis abt 1798 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Head Hull Holy Trinity, Yorkshire
Mary A Davis abt 1801 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Wife Hull Holy Trinity, Yorkshire

1871 Myton / Hull Yorks
William Madely 32
Selina Madely 30
George Davis 73

Name: George Davis ??
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 77
District: Hull (1854 Onw)
County: Yorkshire - East Riding, Humberside
Volume: 9d
Page: 135

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Thanks both for the info.

I'm sure of everything going back from 1901 that the family stayed in the Newent area as agricultural labourers until my line went to Ross and then Bristol (Slowhand's first hunch)

George DAVIS and his wife Ann (nee Sparrow) where married on 14th Feb 1820 in Dymock and i have their children as Jeremiah, Josia, Andrew, Sarah Ann, Benjamin, Elizabeth and Paul (my direct descendent).

The name link as suggested therefore is that George's second born daughter (Elizabeth), was also the name of his mother (if his parents were John & Elizabeth DAVIS and he was baptised on 30th July 1797), and was also the name of his eldest sister (baptised 22nd Sept 1793).

If you can follow that and i can find no concrete proof otherwise, it looks like I'll take John DAVIS and his wife Elizabeth (nee STERRY) as George's parents and believe that my George DAVIS was the one baptised in 1797 and not 1798.

Any other comments and suggestions would be welcome, and thanks so far.

Try looking at the FOD records for marriages/then census of the siblings.

Had a quick look at Elizabeth born 1793 in Newent (daughter of John/Elizabeth - and found a marriage 13 September 1816 in Newent to William COLEMAN - one of the witnesses was Chas DAVIS (assume Charles her brother c1795).

Charles DAVIS (again Son of John/Elizabeth) married Elizabeth VINER in Newent 28 July 1818 and (using the Advanced Search) found two Sons christened in Newent, Daniel 1819, and Charles 1821

Now.... this Charles DAVIS and Elizabeth are on the 1851 census are in Upleadon (where I think your George was....

Edons Hill

Charles DAVIS age 58 (age crossed through) born Newent
Elizabeth age 54 (age crossed through) born Weston, Here.
Charles DAVIS - age 30 - born Newent
Edwin DAVIS - age 8 - Upleadon.

So, Charles is on Page 1 (Edons Hill) and your George is on Page 14, which is headed Edons Hill at the top of this page. Knowing my ancestors lived/or moved in 'groups' - think these two are brothers!!! - but as it's late evening !!! I could be wrong!!!

Elizabeth DAVIES is on the 1841 census of Upleadon (without Charles), but with her children

Charles age 20
Sophia age 10
Samuel age 8
Job age 6
Elizabeth age 4
Edwin age 1

So, George (Charles brother??/) moved to Upleadon by 1851

Great, thanks.

I have some of this but not all, but i'm with you about the family being in groups. On the 1841 census i have a page where the place is listed as Bran Green, and of the 48 people listed, 26 of them are Davis's and i can link 14 of them. I'm sure the others will be related but as i can now go back one generation with the help and you and Slowhands, i'm looking to prove that they are all related. My George co-incidentally is two pages further on in Bran Green.

Certainly a challenging surname DAVIS (as difficult as GRIFFITHS) to 'unraffle'

1861 census Upleadon

Charles DAVIS 40 (who is a Shoemaker?) born Newent (the other George was a Shoemaker)
Charlotte 38 born Newent
William HAYWARD, Wife's Son age 11 born Eastington
Anna M DAVIS age 9 daughter Scholar born Uptonleadon

then next door his father

Charles DAVIS - age 68 born Newent
Elizabeth DAVIS - age 63, born Herefordshire, Aston Ingham
John MILLER ? - Lodger, age 18 born Glos, Arm Hill

Thanks again.

Yet more to look at. These aren't on my radar. As you said, Davis is easy in one respect as they are always there when you look for them, the trouble is sometimes there are too many and i end up going down routes i don't really want to.