Beale Marriage / Death between 1906 & 1914 | Millard (General)

by Lawrencef ⌂ @, Trentham, Australia, Friday, August 14, 2009, 15:37 (5654 days ago)

Hi

I've really hit a brick wall and am sure that these two bits of information will open things up again so I'm going to ask (my seaches have been useless for these two questions).

I need to locate a marriage and or death for Beale, first name unknown (male) between 1906 & 1914, to Olive Smith (or first name only).

I think to figure out the death I'll need to find that marriage (if only for his first name). I have a later marriage for Olive Beale to Samuel Millard (1914 Independent Chapel Littledean) and it lists Olive as a widow.

I'm sorry to ask as I've had so much help already but I've really hammered this question and gotton nowhere.

Addionally if anyone has a death date for Samuel Millard (baptised 17 Sep 1854), Hartpury, Gloucestershire and who must have died during or after 1914 please let me know (I have him in censuses from 1871 until 1911 and of course the 1921 census is yet to be released otherwise I'd have a go at that). He was a brewery manager as I understand it, so if anyone is aware of a brewery around Barnwood or Wootton St Mary Without (not sure what or where that is) I'd be grateful and interested in hearing about it.

Cheers and thanks...

Samuel MILLARD 1854 - 1934 Gloucester

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, August 14, 2009, 16:47 (5654 days ago) @ Lawrencef

Hatton's Northgate Brewery in George Street, Gloucester was about the only local brewery I know of in Gloucester - Wintles at Mitcheldean, Godsells and others supplied beer. George Street is in teh centre of Gloucester - today the rail station is very close by - and was probably in Wotton St Mary . Barnwood is to the east of Gloucester on the road to Cirencester and London.

Ind Coope took over the Northgate Brewery in the 1890's, Ind was a Romford Essex Brewer (!) could this be the "driver" behind the Essex connections for Samuel; and the brewery who " are after me".


1911
MILLARD SAMUEL M 1855 56 Gloucester Gloucestershire
MURRAY GILBERT M 1900 11 Gloucester Gloucestershire
NICHOLLS LILIAN MARY F 1875 36 Gloucester Gloucestershire
MILLARD MARY F 1845 66 Gloucester Gloucestershire ??

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=18416

I have searched and I'm not convinced he died by 1915 ( after this date the index of deaths is less accessible ( at the present time)) - wasnt there a child born around 1920 in Essex ?

The BEALE marriage ??

I wonder if there is a divorce or bigamy with the BEALE name ?

1911
SMITH OLIVE F 1889 22 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

so I think this narrows the search to 1911 - 1914

I must keep up with your blog !
http://shottheclock.blogspot.com/

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Samuel MILLARD 1854 - ?

by Lawrencef ⌂ @, Trentham, Australia, Saturday, August 15, 2009, 12:22 (5653 days ago) @ slowhands

Hi

There is a child born in 1920 southend on sea attributed to him (Maud Olive Millard) who is my Granny; she was always told by her mother that Millard was not her real father, that a William Ross who would visit her was in fact the father. The details are:

Birth CertificateD8964 No. 94 issued June 1931, Rochford County of Essex & Southend on Sea. So that is Essex.

I've a sneaking suspicion that Samuel Millard was alive for some time after she left him, my Grandmother tells me that she attended dameschool in Chichester (I'd have to check my notes as this may not be quite accurate but certainly in Glostershire) and that Great Granny was really shocked one day as the allowance stopped. It is Grannys belief that the allowance stopped as he either died, or the penny dropped that the girl he believed to be his daughter possibly wasn't.

Great Granny had certainly left his company by 1920 when Granny was born as she said that Granny was almost born in South Africa (but the contact in South Africa is William Millard who may be Samuels brother so perhaps there was a disgrace and he shipped her off, she certainly got into trouble with William Ross if I understand correctly what is going on). She could not have been too far from Samuel Millard or the allowance would have ceased much earlier. That my granny can remember the allowance stopping implies that she is in the age of memory which for most people begins at 4-5 (1925ish). By 1930 Great granny had taken off to Canada with Joseph Caldwell, prior toi that date they lived and ran the Ness Poultry Farm Corton Lowestoft Suffolk (I think its near Yarmoth).

When they went to South Africa she was also connected to William Millard who may be a brother of Samuel I've just realised. I'll start looking to see if this might be the case (you really are quite a muse as everytime I write to you I think of another possible lead, thanks slowhands).

In later life when Great Granny was losing her mind a little, she used to say that the brewery people were after her. She also said that she had done terible things but never elaborated beyond that. I'm pretty sure that terrible was restricted to bigamy and sleeping about also possibly getting shot at (she also seems to have deserted her son to the care of her Grandparents which rates as a terrible thing to some degree but as I was pretty much bought up by my Grandparents I'll not condemn it). Anyway I'm hoping that she wasn't referring to something sinister and am optimistic as I haven't found any records of her in prison or anything (thats good :-)

Thanks for your help yet again.

Time Line

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, August 16, 2009, 09:19 (5652 days ago) @ Lawrencef

Hi

have you constructed a time line chart for the various players - trying to work out when various people were in the Forest, Gloucester, Essex, S Africa, Canada etc ~:-)

regards
S

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Time Line - Olive Elisabeth Smith

by Lawrencef ⌂ @, Trentham, Australia, Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 05:55 (5649 days ago) @ slowhands

Below is a link to a timeline of the immediate relatives to Olive Elisabeth Smith including all her known wherabouts...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_csQ3tmdWews/SouEigObsVI/AAAAAAAAACU/Qu7MK5GlyYA/s1600-h/timel...

It can also be found at www.shottheclock.blogspot.com

Time Line - Olive Elisabeth Smith

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 10:38 (5649 days ago) @ Lawrencef

Thanks this sort of chart can be very useful.

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Samuel MILLARD 1854 - ? / Addendum

by Lawrencef ⌂ @, Trentham, Australia, Sunday, August 16, 2009, 09:28 (5652 days ago) @ Lawrencef

I've just had a chat with my Granny and she tells me that the allowance was stopped when she was in her teens (she believes that Samuel died) and that she was in Canada when this happend. This means that Samuel Millards death must have occured after 1930 but probably before 1940.

If you can give me advice for looking up such a recent death I'd appreicate it.

Personally I am thinking that there must have been a court involved as my Grandmother was Samuels only natural issue as far as I can see. I can also see that Mary Ann Brotheridge's daughter would have been pretty upset as judging by the dates he fathered her and she would not really have known her biological father at all.

Samuel MILLARD 1854 - ? / Addendum

by ChrisW @, Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 14:53 (5649 days ago) @ Lawrencef

This one any good?

Deaths Mar 1934
Millard Samuel 79 Gloucester 6a 386

From FreeBMD.

Samuel MILLARD 1854 - ? / Addendum

by Lawrencef ⌂ @, Trentham, Australia, Thursday, August 20, 2009, 01:49 (5649 days ago) @ ChrisW

Sneaking suspicion that you may have cracked the case... I'll order the certificate and see what extras I can find out.

I'll post again to this thread when I find out whats what.

Thanks again...

Samuel MILLARD 1854 - ? / Addendum

by Lawrencef ⌂ @, Trentham, Australia, Sunday, September 13, 2009, 00:44 (5625 days ago) @ ChrisW

That one has been confirmed so I'll order it and post the results, thanks
Samuel Millard, 79, March qtr. 1934, Gloucester, vol. 6a, page 386

Samuel MILLARD 1854 - 1934 Gloucester

by Lawrencef ⌂ @, Trentham, Australia, Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 07:43 (4740 days ago) @ slowhands

Hi Slowhands

Not sure why but I've only now noticed your post

"1911
SMITH OLIVE F 1889 22 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire"

Do you remember where you located that from or if there were household details? I examined the Ada Smith/Beale marriage but conclusivley proved that it was not my GG.

Ciao

Lawrence
PS been off list for a while but am still slogging away at the family geneaolgy...

Samuel MILLARD 1854 - 1934 Gloucester

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 08:30 (4740 days ago) @ Lawrencef

Hi Slowhands

Not sure why but I've only now noticed your post

"1911
SMITH OLIVE F 1889 22 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire"

Do you remember where you located that from or if there were household details? I examined the Ada Smith/Beale marriage but conclusivley proved that it was not my GG.

Ciao

Lawrence
PS been off list for a while but am still slogging away at the family geneaolgy...

I was scanning a 1911 census return.....

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