What is the date for the 1861 Census in the Forest? (General)
by Karaka 
, New Zealand, Sunday, August 16, 2009, 22:42 (5652 days ago)
Thank you for the 1861 Forest Census transcribers.
Is there a way to determine the exact date upon which the 1861 census was taken in the Forest of Dean?
I have never previously been unable find a record in this census for the two family members below.
I have a record of marriage between John Thorn(e)(age 20) and Mary Ann Davis (age 21) at Newnham on 9th April 1861, now assumed to be after the census as the bride uses her married name for the census but her reference (Box 13 Piece 1756 Folio 126 Schedule 140) but places her in a nearby but unknown Newnham locality separate from her wider family.
Where is this Newnham locality?
This 1861 record is important because, her birthplace is unknown and also she and her husband left the forest later in that year after the census for New Zealand but her departure date from England is not recorded in New Zealand.
What is her birthplace as recorded in the 1861 census?
Her new husband John Thorn is apparently not recorded in the 1861 Newnham census although his newly married wife Mary Ann Thorn(e) is.
Is there a census record for John Thorn(e) (or some name recorded like it) in the same nearby Newnham locality? (ie Box 13 Piece 1756 Folio 126 Folio 140)
Thank you for any insight.
What is the date for the 1861 Census in the Forest?
by pclark , Sunday, August 16, 2009, 23:31 (5652 days ago) @ Karaka
Hi
The 1861 census was taken on the night of 7 April 1861 and gave the total population as 20,066,000
Pete
Mary Ann DAVIS 1839 Newnham 1861 census
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, August 17, 2009, 08:13 (5652 days ago) @ Karaka
1861 Newnham St - looks like a Hotel but not named
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1756; Folio: 133; Page: 45
Mary Ann Davis abt 1839 Born At Sea Servant Newnham, Gloucestershire
seems to fit with father a Seaman, and 2 days after Census !
Year: 1861
Month: Apr
Day: 9
Grooms_Surname: THORN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: blacksmith
Grooms_Residence: Newnham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Thorn
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: tanner
Brides_Surname: DAVIS
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newnham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Davis
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: seaman
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Frederick Thorn
Witness_2: Elizabeth Watts
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E. C. Brice perp. curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Newnham centred in box
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 134
Parish_Chapel: Newnham
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Mary Ann DAVIS 1839 Newnham 1861 census
I would suggest the address in Newnham Street is a small girl's school. Most of the residents are listed as boarders and scholars and there are two school mistresses.
School / Boarding Newnham 1861 census
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, August 17, 2009, 10:16 (5651 days ago) @ grunson
It could be a small school, but there are also Merchants / Commercial travellers listed at the address ! ( look like friends of the family / son in law)
"head of household" Mary Vorley is "Railway xxxxxxx" in 1861 Newnham son in law Owen Smith
in 1871 they have moved to Westbury on Trym Bristol
Name: Mary Ann Vorley
Name: Owen Smith
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 378
Year: 1857
Month: Jun
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: Owen
Grooms_Age: 29
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: traveller
Grooms_Residence: Bristol
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Smith
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: book seller
Brides_Surname: VORLEY
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age: 30
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: school mistress
Brides_Residence: Newnham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Vorley
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: gentleman
Licence_or_Banns: licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: John Draper
Witness_2: Edmund Vorley
Other_Witnesses: Elizabeth Smith;Clarinda Wright
Officiating_Minister: HM Willis perpl curate of Little Dean
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: numbers crossed out and reversed
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 104
Parish_Chapel: Newnham
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
Mary Ann DAVIS 1839 Newnham 1861 census
by Karaka , New Zealand, Monday, August 17, 2009, 10:32 (5651 days ago) @ slowhands
Thanks all,
It is certainly true that her father was a mariner, this seems like the end of a long standing brick wall for me.
John THORN 1840 Newnham
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, August 17, 2009, 08:39 (5651 days ago) @ Karaka
He appears not to be at home on Census night ! 2 days before his wedding
1851
John Thorne abt 1810 Stow, Somerset, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire Journeyman Tanner
Amelia Thorne abt 1814 Hampshire, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Thorne abt 1841 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Thorne abt 1841 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Fredrick Thorne abt 1844 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Thorne abt 1846 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Eliza Thorne abt 1848 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Samuel Thorne abt 1821 Fredthorne, Gloucestershire, England Brother East Dean, Gloucestershire
1861
John Thom abt 1804 Slowgumber, Gloucestershire, England Head Newnham, Gloucestershire
Amelia Thom abt 1813 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newnham, Gloucestershire
Fredrick Thom abt 1843 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham, Gloucestershire
William Thom abt 1845 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham, Gloucestershire
Ann Thom abt 1848 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham, Gloucestershire
Charles Thom abt 1851 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham, Gloucestershire
Harry Thom abt 1853 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Son Newnham, Gloucestershire
Ann Thom abt 1856 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham, Gloucestershire
Edith Thom abt 1860 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham, Gloucestershire
1871 Newnham
John Thorne 61
Amelia Thorne 57
Harry Thorne 18
Amy Thorne 15
Edith Thorne 11
links to
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=6604
&
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=1406
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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>
John THORN 1840 Newnham
by Karaka , New Zealand, Monday, August 17, 2009, 10:39 (5651 days ago) @ slowhands
Just for the record, the placenames recorded above as Stow and Slowgumber for John Thorn B1804 and B1810 are in fact B1809 in Stogumber in Somerset.