John Henry FROWEN (General)
I am looking for birth record or any information on the parentage of John Henry Frowen born 1867 Newland. Family story is that his mother died in childbirth and he was taken in by Jemima Frowen. Jemima then married Thomas Dobbs in 1869. Census of 1881 shows John Henry under Dobbs but on his marriage certificate he uses Frowen and states that father was John Henry Frowen then deceased. I would like to find his mother and am not convinced of father's identity as sound!
Would love some help with this.
John Henry FROWEN 1867 Newland / Scowles
by slowhands 
, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, August 17, 2009, 12:10 (5651 days ago) @ Patricia Johnston
< under construction - adding places etc>
1901
John H Frowen abt 1867 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Mary A Frowen abt 1868 Llanbaderfrynydd, Radnorshire, Wales Wife Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Esther S Frowen abt 1891 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Bertrawa Frowen abt 1892 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Son Gelligaer, Glamorgan
David G Frowen abt 1894 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Son Gelligaer, Glamorgan
1891
John Henry Frowen abt 1867 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Mary Ann Frowen abt 1868 Llanbadarnfynyah, Radnorshire, Wales Wife Gelligaer, Glamorgan
Esther Sarah Frowen abt 1890 Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Gelligaer, Glamorgan
1891
Thomas Dobbs abt 1841 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Llantwitfardre, Glamorgan
Jemina Dobbs abt 1844 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Llantwitfardre, Glamorgan
William Dobbs abt 1871 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Llantwitfardre, Glamorgan
Alice L Dobbs abt 1876 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Llantwitfardre, Glamorgan
1881
Thomas Dobbs abt 1839 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jemimah Dobbs abt 1845 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
John H. Dobbs abt 1867 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Dobbs abt 1871 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice L. Dobbs abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Name: William Dobbs
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 478
1871 Scowles ?
Mary Coombs 53
Thomas Coombs 15
Emma Dobbs 13
Mary A Coombs 11
Thomas Dobbs 8
John Dobbs 6
Year: 1869
Month: Sep
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: DOBBS
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 32
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Lane End
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Dobbs
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: FROWEN
Brides_Forenames: Jemima
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Scowles
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Frowen
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: Mary Dobbs
Witness_2: [?] Frowen
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Herbert Mather
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 193
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Name: John Dobbs ??
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 467
1861 Scowles
Esther Frowen abt 1813 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Dinah Frowen abt 1843 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Jemima Frowen abt 1845 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Alice Jane Frowen abt 1857 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
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John Henry FROWEN
by hawdon , Alcossebre Spain, Monday, August 17, 2009, 16:18 (5651 days ago) @ Patricia Johnston
Hi Patricia
Just to add another small problem to your research, Jemima, as a single woman, had a son William John in 1868:.-
BAPTISM DETAILS:-
Record_ID: 45498 Entry_Number: 1980
Year: 1868 Month: Jul Day: 12
Parents_Surname: FROWEN
Child_Forenames: William John
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Jemima
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Scowles
Occupation: Single Woman
Officiating_Minister: Herbert Mather
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 30 March 1867
Notes: memo in date column
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 248
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: F650
This was before she married Thomas Dobbs in 1869. So as John Henry was born 1867 your theory about her taking him in as her own sounds right or was he actually Jemima's son????.
Dave
John Henry FROWEN
by hawdon , Alcossebre Spain, Monday, August 17, 2009, 16:22 (5651 days ago) @ Patricia Johnston
Hi again Patricia
Just read through my original message and realised that William John was actually born 30th March 1867 but not baptised until July 1868. Could William John and John Henry be the same person?.
It's never easy is it?.
Dave
John Henry FROWEN
Hi it's Trish again. Family i.e. my mother is convinced that John Henry's mother died in childbirth and father was some wealthy landowner. Of course it could all be a cover up as William was born in the workhouse.The Dobbs went on to have another son named William! It's enough to drive one barmy.Where is the truth. Also the can't find them between 1870-1881. Any more ideas?
John Henry FROWEN
by hawdon , Alcossebre Spain, Thursday, August 20, 2009, 20:26 (5648 days ago) @ Patricia Johnston
Hi Trish
The Dobbs also had a daughter Alice 1876 born Newland.
If you contact me direct I will give you access details to my website so that you can view my tree. (It's possible we have been in contact before). However as regards Jemima and Thomas and their immediate family that is about all I have to offer.
Dave
John Henry FROWEN
Thought that I might have heard from you re tree. Trish
John Henry FROWEN
by hawdon , Alcossebre Spain, Thursday, September 03, 2009, 20:36 (5634 days ago) @ Patricia Johnston
HiTrish
I have sent you a message on Genes and Hotmail.
Dave