Old Measurements (General)

by terry2424 @, LYDNEY FOREST OF DEAN, Thursday, August 27, 2009, 22:36 (5641 days ago)

Hi
Ihave a will of John James of Mill Hill Bream who states in his will dated 29th December 1852

Also fifty patches of land to be taken out of the west corner of the patch of ground adjoining the same situate at Viney Hill

Has anyone heard of a Patch or should it be a Perch, and if so how big is it?
Thanks
Terry 2424

Old Measurements

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, August 28, 2009, 07:17 (5641 days ago) @ terry2424

as a measure of land

a Perch ( or Rod, or Pole) is approx 25 sq Metres or just over 30 Sq Yards


an Acre is 4 perch x 40 perch - approx 160 x 30 - 4840 sq yds

" the area one man and his ox can plough in one day"

< added 30/8/09>

Rod/Perch
a traditional unit of distance equal to 5.5 yards (16 feet 6 inches or exactly 5.0292 meters).
The rod and the furlong were the basic distance units used by the Anglo-Saxon residents
of England before the Norman conquest of 1066. The Saxons generally called this unit the
gyrd, a word which comes down to us as the name of a different unit, the yard. "Rod" is
another Saxon word which meant just what it means today: a straight stick. The Normans
preferred to call the gyrd a pole or a perch (a word of French origin, meaning a pole).

The length of the rod was well established at least as early as the eighth century.
It may have originated as the length of an ox-goad, a pole used to control a team of 8 oxen
(4 yokes). Scholars are not sure how the rod was related to shorter units. It may have been
considered equal to 20 "natural" feet (actual foot lengths), or it may have been
measured "by hand" as 30 shaftments. In any case, when the modern foot became established
in the twelfth century, the royal government did not want to change the length of the rod, since
that length was the basis of land measurement, land records, and taxes. Therefore the rod
was redefined to equal 16.5 of the new feet.

This length was called the "king's perch" at least as early as the time of King Richard the
Lionheart (1198). Although rods and perches of other lengths were used locally in Britain, the
king's perch eventually prevailed. The relationship between the rod and the other English
distance units was confirmed again by the Parliamentary statute of 1592, which defined the
statute mile to be either 320 rods or 1760 yards, thus forcing the rod to equal exactly 5.5 yards
or 16.5 feet.

Acre
a unit of area used for measuring real estate in English-speaking countries.
"Acre," an Old English word meaning a field, is derived from the Latin ager and
Greek agros, also meaning a field. The acre was originally defined as the area
that could be plowed in a day by a yoke of oxen. It was in use in England at
least as early as the eighth century, and by the end of the ninth century it was
generally understood to be the area of a field one furlong (40 rods or 10 chains)
long by 4 rods (or 1 chain) wide. Thus an acre is 10 square chains, 160 square
rods, 43 560 square feet or 4840 square yards. There are exactly 640 acres in
a square mile.

--
Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Old Measurements

by terry2424 @, LYDNEY FOREST OF DEAN, Friday, August 28, 2009, 20:49 (5640 days ago) @ slowhands

Thank you once again slowhands much
appreciated

Terry

Old Measurements

by gerrym @, Sunday, August 30, 2009, 21:11 (5638 days ago) @ slowhands

A rod, pole or perch, as a unit of length, was five and a half yards, making the corresponding square measure exactly thirty and a quarter square yards.
Another method of defining an acre is a rectangle one chain by one furlomg, where a chain, 22 yards, is equal to 4 perch; and a furlong, 220 yards, is equal to 10 chains.

Old Measurements

by terry2424 @, LYDNEY FOREST OF DEAN, Sunday, August 30, 2009, 22:00 (5638 days ago) @ gerrym

Thank you
All for your input its much appreciated
Terry

John James' will

by Peterj, Friday, August 28, 2009, 11:51 (5640 days ago) @ terry2424

Hi Terry,

Did the John James you refer to die in 1853 (born 1785) and was married to Elizabeth Pray?
If that is the case, I am interested in his great grandparents, Richard born 1725 and married to Sarah. Do you know when Richard died, or who his great great grandparents were?

Regards,

Peter

Richard James c1727

by terry2424 @, LYDNEY FOREST OF DEAN, Friday, August 28, 2009, 21:23 (5640 days ago) @ Peterj

Peter
Richard James was born c1727 and Baptised 10th March 1728 at Newland
he died in Parkend and was buried at English Bicknor 31st May 1767. Why Bicknor
I don`t`no but he had some kind of connection with English Bicknor as three of his children were Baptised there.I can find no marriage for Richard and Sarah

His parents were Jacob and Sarah unknown.Again I can find no marriage Jacob was Baptised 3rd April 1678 at Newland. I Have no date for his death I hope This will help you with your research.
I would be interested to know which line of the James`s your researching, Perhaps you know somthing that i don`t and we could exchange info
cheers for now
Terry

Richard James c1727

by Peterj, Saturday, August 29, 2009, 13:12 (5639 days ago) @ terry2424

Hi Terry,

I am a descendant of Enoch James (1794-1857), the elder brother of Warren (1792-1841), and are trying to trace the family back as far as I can.

I have as their parents Warren (1751-1809) who married Ann Kear(1755-1836). It is interesting viewing the parish baptism records selecting on James < 1802, fathers name like war and mothers like ann. (Looking for the offspring of Warren and Ann)

It would appear as though some of the records are duplicated except for the parish name. Some appear under Bream and another set under Newland, but on some the information appears to be the same. Assuming all the entries are in fact from the one family, allowing for differences in spelling, I can match them with the chart I have been given. If this is correct then the birth in 1788 where the child's forename is not stated would be Hannah.

So it is the parents and grandparents of Warren (1751-1809) that I am trying to find. While I can't find any record of Warren's baptism, I can find those of his siblings, who state the parents are Richard (B 1725) and Sarah, which again matches with the information I have.

I would surprised if I have information you don't, but would be happy to send you what I have.

Regards,
Peter

Newland Bream relationship

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Saturday, August 29, 2009, 13:49 (5639 days ago) @ Peterj

Some appear under Bream and another set under Newland, but on some the information appears to be the same.

Newland was the "head" church and Bream was an "outpost" - what you are seeing is Baptisms performed in Bream and then the Newland register being written up in duplicate.

--
Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Newland Bream relationship

by Peterj, Sunday, August 30, 2009, 01:04 (5639 days ago) @ slowhands

Thanks for the clarification Slowhands. That adds weight to the details I have for this family being correct.

Newland Bream relationship

by findwilliam @, Friday, August 27, 2010, 09:52 (5276 days ago) @ slowhands

Did a similar relationship exist between Ruardean and Mitcheldean?

I have found several Smarts with this feature, e.g. Elizabeth Smart is recorded in both Ruardean and Mitcheldean on 5th December 1708.

I have been puzzling over the significance of this.

Mike

Richard James c1727

by unknown, Sunday, January 01, 2012, 10:49 (4784 days ago) @ Peterj

Hi Don't know if you still check here but we are related . I'm Thomas James 8 generations from Richard 1725. my email tommejames AT yahoo.com
cheers

Richard James c1727

by mcowan @, Sunday, January 01, 2012, 14:10 (4784 days ago) @ unknown

Hi, yes we are related albeit distantly as I think are all the James postees on this site. My ancestors are from Richard sons Jeptha and Warren, then cousins Jeptha and Richard, then William and Henry. Henry (1824) married William James' (1803) daughter Elizabeth. What is your ancestoral line?
Happy New Year
Anne

Richard James c1727

by mcowan @, Sunday, January 01, 2012, 15:53 (4784 days ago) @ unknown

By the way Admin. advises you shouldn't include your e mail address in posts. You can still be contacted by clicking on the e mail envelope sign.

Richard James c1727

by mcowan @, Saturday, August 29, 2009, 20:01 (5639 days ago) @ terry2424

Terry,

I think Richard's (1727) father was Jacob born 12/06/1697 and baptised Redbrook 03/04/1698 married to Sarah and his father was Jacob baptised 09/04/1677 St. Briavels and buried 05/05/1707 or 1715 married to Elizabeth (no marriage dates). His father was Richard James b 1650c who was buried in Redbrook 26/11/1712 married to Maria.

I have found the James to be very confusing there were too many in the Forest!

Anne

Richard James c1727

by terry2424 @, LYDNEY FOREST OF DEAN, Saturday, August 29, 2009, 22:56 (5639 days ago) @ mcowan

Anne
If i can help you with this line of the James`s let me know
Terry

Richard James c1727

by mcowan @, Sunday, August 30, 2009, 14:56 (5638 days ago) @ terry2424

Hi Terry,

Was Jacob (1677) wife Elizabeth Jones? Do you know if both these Richards and Jacobs were all miners as it seems most of the James were? Are there any gravestones surviving or were they all poor miners?

Thanks,
Anne

Richard James c1727

by terry2424 @, LYDNEY FOREST OF DEAN, Sunday, August 30, 2009, 22:12 (5638 days ago) @ mcowan

Hi Anne
i`m`sorry i don`t know the occupations of Richard 1727s father and grand parents Richard 1727 was a miner he also had a small farm in Parkend at the time of his will 1767 he had four mines of his own which he shared among his sons after this most james`s were either iron miners or coal miners except william 1796 son of James ( jemme) James who was a miller if you e mail me i will send you a copy of the will

can you tell me what line you have decended from please perhaps you may have info that i havn`t
Terry

RSS Feed of thread

powered by my little forum