15 children in total, can only find 12.. (General)
by Simone 
, Monday, October 12, 2009, 19:35 (5595 days ago)
Hi
After looking at the 1911 census I found that my great grandmother had 15 children. She must have had 16 altogether though because the youngest Raymond born 1911 is not on the census with them , I only had 10 I knew about including Raymond...
She states in 1911 that 8 had already died.
She was married to Evan Howell and she was Elizabeth nee Ward
I have
Elizabeth Ward b 13 dec 1890 - married Albert Marshall in 1908
Gladys May Ward b 10 Aug 1895 - died 2 Jan 1903
Annie Louisa Howell b 06 Apr 1899 - married Leslie Frowen 1916
Evan George Howell b 22 Mar 1901 - died 10 April 1901
Evan George Howell b 06 Mar 1902 - survived into late adulthood
Sarah Ann Howell b 01 Jul 1903 - died 1919
Rhoda Howell b 16 Feb 1905 - died 28 Feb 1905
Jane Howell b 1906 - died 1906
William Howell b 1906 - survived into his 60's
Arthur John Howell b 17 Jun 1908 - died 28 feb 1930
James Henry Howell b Apr 1910 - died May 1910
Raymond John Howell b 1911 - died 15 April 1913.
so out of 15 children in total I have 5 definite deaths before 1911 so who are the missing children who must have died also?
I have tried the baptism records on this site but she doesn't seem to have bothered, that is until 1912 when the surviving children were all baptised together by widowed father.
I have looked at burial records which is how I found the missing 3 I didn't already have...
... any ideas anyone..?
(amended re later post 2/1/2010)
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=22654
Thanks
Simone x
15 children in total, can only find 13..
by pclark , Monday, October 12, 2009, 19:46 (5595 days ago) @ Simone
HI
There seems to be a gap between 1890 To 1895 and judging by the frequency of births the missing two may be in that time frame.
What do you think?
Pete
15 children in total, can only find 13..
by Simone , Monday, October 12, 2009, 20:12 (5595 days ago) @ pclark
Thanks Pete.. I think you could be right.. I have been looking at it for too long I think and hadn't spotted that, was going round in circles. She was married in 1898 so I suppose 1 could have slipped in between 1895 and then also..
I'll have another look around those years.. Could be difficult without baptisms as the names Ward and Howell are so common :(
Can but try though :)
Thanks again. It does help when someone else has a look :) Fresh eyes and all that.
Simone x
15 children in total, can only find 13..
by pclark , Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 14:39 (5594 days ago) @ Simone
Hi
The births are in the Monmouth District and looking at FreeBmd there are quite a few in the time period.
Good Hunting
Pete
15 children in total, can only find 13..
by Simone , Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 17:31 (5594 days ago) @ pclark
Yes Pete, think there will lots of ref checks req at the GRO!! :(
I have found a death in sep q 1892 for a Frances Ward, age 0. An aunt of mine always said there was a Frances but she though she was living and had visited her as a young child. I know for definite now that it was Sarah she visited, so I am thinking that this baby may be the Frances she mentioned... She did tend to get confused over the names.
Trouble is I can't find a birth reg for this Frances so may have to take a chance on the death cert..
Not easy some days is it? lol
Simone x