Elizabeth Jenkins b Newland 1833

I am trying to trace Elizabeth Jenkins b 1833 D/O James Jenkins and Susannah Jenkins.

Her father died in 1835 when she went to live with her Grandparents Peter and Esther Jenkins.

I jave just recieved a copy of the will of Esther dated 1861. The will indicates that Elizabeth was still living with Esther (then a widow) near Upper Crofts Clearwell.Upper Crofts was once the home of William Wood. He could possibly be the father or brother of Esther

The property was left to Esther Williams the married daughter of Peter and Esther Jenkins.

Elizabeth Jenkins dissappears following her grandmothers death.

Can anyone help please?

Could anyone also help me locate Upper Crofts near Clearwell

Kind Regards

Tony Jenkins

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Peter JENKINS, married Esther WOOD (residence St Briavels) - 27 May 1802, Newland

i]James JENKINS married Susannah PHIPPS, 5 June 1817 Newland (by banns)[/i]

1841 Census Clearwell

Richard JENKINS - 32 Stonecutter
Susan JENKINS - 33
Esther - 3
Peter - 3
WOOD JENKINS - 9 months

1851 Census, Newland- Clearwell

Richard JENKINS - 42, Stonecutter, born Newland
Susannah - 44 - born Mon Cwmcarvan
Walter - 16
Ester - 12
Peter - 12
Wood - 11
Mary - 7
Hannah - 5
Alice - 3
Susannah - 1

1841 Census, Newland, Clearwell

Peter JENKINS - 60 Stonecutter
Esther JENKINS - 55
Esther JENKINS - 15 * christened 5 June 1825 - Clearwell, Parents Peter and Esther
Hannah WHITE - 20 Female Servant

1851 Census, Newland District 2a Image 14

Clearwell

Peter JENKINS 72 - Quarryman, born Gloucestershire, Newland
Ester JENKINS 68 - Shopkeeper - born ditto
Elizabeth JENKINS - 18 Granddaughter - born ditto

Enumerator's Notes for District 2a

All that part of the Parish of Newland in the Tything of Clearwell, comprising Scatterford, Inwood? Caudwell Wyegate, Stow, Stow Hall, Shop House, Ivey? House Farm, Court Hourse, both sides of the road to the Upper Cross in Clearwell, Clearwell Street to the Lower Cross and Stank Lane

1861 Census, Newland, Clearwell

Esther JENKINS - 78 Widow, Nailor (all born Newland)
Henry WILLIAMS - Married, 28, Stone Cutter
Esther WILLIAMS - 35
Thomas - 16 - Stonecutter
Mary - 14
Robert - 12
Frederick - 10
Esther - 6
James - 1

On FreeBDM

John James SMITH married Elizabeth WOOD JENKINS, December Qtr 1856, Cheltenham District

1861 Census, Cheltenham

John J SMITH - 25, Fishmonger and Greengrocer, born Cheltenham
Elizabeth SMITH - 28, born Clearwell
Alice SMITH - 4 - born Clearwell ***
John R SMITH - 2 - born Cheltenham

*** Baptism, CLEARWELL, 6 September 1857, Alice SMITH, parents John James (Gardener) and Elizabeth, Address: Swindon near Cheltenham

1871 Census, St Mary Cheltenham - 278a High Street

all SMITH

John J - 35 Gardener, born Cheltenham
Eliza - 38 - born Clearwell
Alice - 14 - born Clearwell
John R - 12 (all born Cheltenham)
Walter H - 8
Wilfred - 6
Hannah M - 3
Robert A - 10 months

1881 Census, St Mary, Cheltenham - 278 High Street

(all SMITH)

John J - 45 - Market Gardener
Elizabeth - 48
Anna M - 13
Robert A - 11
Alfred - 9
Frank E - 6
Kedrick ? S - 2
Wilfred - 2

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Thanks

The Marriage James to Susannah Phipps is related but is not the James S/O Peter and Esther.

James the S/O Peter and Esther married Susannah Jenkins D/O Walter Jenkins Trealy farm Cwmcarvan at St Peter and St Paul Bath.

Following the death of James both of their children returned to live at Trealy farm with the brother of Susannah also Walter. 1841 welsh census.

Susannah subsequently married the brother of James (Richard) at Ganarew abt 1839 when Walter returned to live with his mother wilst Elizabeth went to live with her grandparent Peter and Esther.

Many Thanks for your help

Regards

Tony Jenkins

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Upper Crofts Clearwell - could this be a transription of the "ss" written as "fs" ? as in Rofs on Wye hence Upper Cross, Clearwell

The central point in Clearwell is the Cross which was erected in the 14th century; it was called the High Cross in 1624 and the Upper Cross in 1705

CROSS marked nr Wyndham Arms

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/

co ords 357400 207800

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'heres a contender.......

1871 St Mary Cheltenham
John J Smith 35
Elizabeth Smith 38 Clearwell
Alice Smith 14
John R Smith 12
James G Smith 10
Walter H Smith 8
Wilfred Smith 6
Hannah M Smith 3
Robert A Smith 10 months

1881
Elizabeth Smith abt 1833 Clearewell Wife Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
John J. Smith abt 1836 Cheltenham Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Anna M. Smith abt 1868 Cheltenham Daughter Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Robert A. Smith abt 1870 Cheltenham Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Alfred W. Smith abt 1872 Cheltenham Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Frank E. Smith abt 1875 Cheltenham Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Kedrick S. Smith abt 1879 Cheltenham Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Wilfred Smith abt 1879 Cheltenham Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

Name: Alice Smith
Name: Walter Bradbury
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chapel En Le Frith
County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 1381

1891
Walter Bradbury abt 1847 Bakewell, Derbyshire, England Head Bakewell, Derbyshire
Alice Bradbury abt 1857 Clearwell; Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Bakewell, Derbyshire
Sarah Bradbury abt 1876 Bakewell, Derbyshire, England Daughter Bakewell, Derbyshire
Mary E Bradbury abt 1879 Bakewell, Derbyshire, England Daughter Bakewell, Derbyshire
May Bradbury abt 1883 Bakewell, Derbyshire, England Daughter Bakewell, Derbyshire
Anna S Bradbury abt 1888 Bakewell, Derbyshire, England Daughter Bakewell, Derbyshire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1832 Clearwell; Newland, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law Bakewell, Derbyshire
Martha A Bradbury abt 1854 Bakewell, Derbyshire, England Head Bakewell, Derbyshire

Possible
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 62
District: Cheltenham
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 304

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Year: 1833
Month: Mar
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: JENKINS
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Susannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Clearwell
Occupation: Stonecutter
Officiating_Minister: G. Ridout Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 8811
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell

<><><><>< daughter Alice in Cheltenham

1901 Rodney Terrace
Alice Bradbury abt 1858 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Head Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Anna S Bradbury abt 1888 Bakewell, Derbyshire, England Stepdaughter Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
James W Bradbury abt 1892 Bakewell, Derbyshire, England Son Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

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Name: James Watson Bradbury
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bakewell (1839 Onw)
County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 802

Alice Bradbury ( nee Smith) married Joseph Shutt of Houston and moved to the USA with
him and a son James Watson Bradbury.

Alice Bradbury ( widow) arrived on the "Saint Louis" on July 28th 1906 from Southampton at Ellis Island New York

James Watson Bradbury arrived on the "Mauretania" on Sept 5th 1913 from Liverpool heading for Tulsa Oklahoma - at Ellis Island New York.

1910
Alice Chutt name city, Tulsa, Oklahoma abt 1858
Joseph Chutt name city, Tulsa, Oklahoma abt 1864 location

1920 Harris Texas 2 residents
Alice Shutt city, Harris, Texas abt 1858 location race relation
James W Bradberry name city, Harris, Texas abt 1892

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Derbyshire records Office
D504/11/1-11
Title Bradbury family of Bakewell

Date 1887-1926

Description Walter Bradbury, parish clerk, of Bakewell, died in 1893. His first wife, Mary Ann, had died in 1888. Mr Bradbury left his property, comprising Ollerset House in North Church Street, Bakewell (together with a garden, workshop and yard) and land called Holme Close in the parish of Youlgreave, to his children Sarah, Mary Elizabeth, May, Hannah Sophia ('Dot') and James Watson, subject to the life interest of his second wife Alice, who was also appointed a trustee of his will and of the estate. Alice moved to Cheltenham at the turn of the century, and either re-married or reverted to her maiden name, as she signed her letters 'Alice Shutt' from 1902. She later moved to the United States of America with James Watson Bradbury.

D504/11/10
Title Bundle of correspondence relating to the Bradbury family and trust estate

Date 1899-1926 and n.d.

Description Including:

Letters to Alice Bradbury/Shutt from her sister Bessie Wilcox at Frogmore, Prestbury

From Alice Shutt at Cheltenham and at Tulsa, Oklahoma, to Mr Redfearn, 1902

From Alice in Cheltenham (signed Alice Bradbury) to Mr Redfearn, 1908-1909 [particularly concerned with Alice's troubled relationship with her step-daughter Dot]

Letters and draft replies between Alice Shutt (in Oklahoma and later in Houston, Texas) and Mr Redfearn, 1910-1920

Letters from Alice Shutt to Thomas Howard of Bakewell [appointed as the other trustee of the will following Mr Redfearn's death in 1920]

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Thanks all

Elizabeth Wood Jenkins appears to be my favourite, I have just sent for a copy of the marriage cert.

Your thoughts on Croft/Cross seem to be logical as I believe they were living close to the Wyndham Arms (Cottages to the rear, close to the well)

Within the will Messuage is spelt Mesfuage therefore the theory re cross crofs is logical.

My concern re the location rest with the suggested size of the property which
the will of Esther indicates includes Dweling house with stable, workshops, and apportenances. The property was once owned by William Wood.

Can anyone suggest an alternative location based on the abode of William Wood pre 1851.

This does not fit with the property to the rear of the Wyndham Arms.

Regards

Tony Jenkins

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On the Gloucestershire Records Office Genealogical Database www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/familyhistory there is a Will of a William WOOD (U) 1832 (Nailer) of Newland/Clearwell - may be he had workhouses making nails???? Esther was also a NAILER!!! (1861 census)

Burial of William WOOD 31 December 1831 at Newland (of Clearwell)- age 85 years

'Abundant clear water from the spring behind Wyndham Arms encourged the development of tanning and nail making and also gave the village its name'

www.royalforestofdeancottage.co.uk/clearwell.html

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Your thoughts on Croft/Cross seem to be logical as I believe they were living close to the Wyndham Arms (Cottages to the rear, close to the well)

Tony

the notes so far shared seem consistent with the corner of Clearwell opposite the Cross , near the Wyndham Arms and the Spring.

regards
S

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What might look to you like an "f" rather than an "s" is actually not an "f" but a "long s" used widely both in handwritten and published texts of that time.At the time it would never have been confused for an "f" it is only us who aren't accustomed to seeing it who see it as an "f"!!!

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I am also investigating the Jenkins family of Clearwell who lived in the house I now live in. We are next to the well, and the Wyndham Arms and the 1851 census clearly puts the Richard/Susannah Jenkins family next to the Wyndham, confirmed by the 1856 Kellys directory. Our house is split into 2 now but was once one largish house until the 1850's. This would seem to cnfirm the Upper Cross connection. Also Peter and Esther and granddaughter Elizabeth are showen in 1851 as living the other side of the Wyndham probably in one of thecottages up towards the school. Perhaps you could post you current thoughts on this.

Regards Malcolm Sadler

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The 1840 Tithe Map for the parish of Newland clearly shows where Peter JENKINS was living, or at least the property that he owned. It is fronting the road that runs northwest to southeast through Clearwell, directly opposite the road that runs southwest towards the castle. I can put an image on the web if anyone is interested.

David Steel
Adelaide

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Hi David

I would be very grateful if you could post a copy of the 1840 tythe map.

Kind Regards

Tony Jenkins

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Hello Tony.

Another Austin man - mine's a '35 Seven Roadster.

I've posted a copy of the Tithe Map at:-

http://users.tpg.com.au/u3attg/vp/clearwelltithe.html

Regards.....David
Adelaide

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Hi David

Thanks for the posting.

Do ytou have any other evidence to confirm the indicated property was owned by Peter Jenkins, I cannot confirm from the copy of the map.

Kind Regards

Tony

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Tony - I also have a copy of the register that goes with the map - simply a list of (alphabetical) names with plot numbers alongside, e.g. Peter Jenkins 1916.

Regards.....David

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Hi David

I also have a Richard and wife Susannah Jenkins plus his brother William and wife Hannah Jenkins living in Clearwell on the 1841 census.

William was working as a nailer and was left the property indicated following the death of his mother Esther.

I do not know where either Richard (my 3 x GGrandfather) or his brother William, were living in 1841. Would you be so kind as to either post the list or let me know the plot numbers for Richard and William?

I have access to a good supplier for Pre War Austin spares, (Available Austin of Arley).

Give me a shout if you need anything you are unable to get in Austrailia.

Kind Regards

Tony

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Hello Tony, and many thanks for your advice re. Austin spares.

Unfortunately, Richard and William do not appear on the list of owners. The schedule that I have lists owners only; there is also a schedule of occupiers, but I don't have a copy.

The only other JENKINS listed as an owner in Clearwell is a George, plot # 1852.
That was a cottage and garden at the eastern end of the map that I posted.
I see on the 1841 census, that a neighbour of William, was a William BROWN. Now on the tithe map, plot # 1855 is owned by a William BROWN - only two doors away from George. Does this suggest that the property that William was living in was in fact owned by a George? Just to complicate matters the land owned by William BROWN did not have a building on it. It is shown as "arable" and named Brown Hill.

Regards.....David

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Hi Malcolm

It is good to hear from you.

Are you researching the history of your house or are you related to the Jenkins family?

I have managed to trace the family back to 1634.

The family moved to Clearwell between 1660 and 1680 having gained a pardon from the Cromwellians (The Jenkins family fought on the side of the Royalists)

The family are from Glamorganshire.

There are links to the Awbrey (Aubrey) family of Hay on Wye. William Jenkins married Eleanor Awbrey about 1675.

I believe the family fought with the Royalist at Gloucester/Worcester. They were inprisoned at Gloucester pardoned and originally settled in the Redmarley area (west of Tewkesbury)

I am currently investigating connections with Raglan Castle and believe the family used stone from the castle to build cottages in the Newland and Clearwell (Clowerwall) area. The Jenkins family have connections with Raglan.

The family have strong connections with the quarry industry (stone cutters) between 1780 and 1920.

I am attending Coleford Carnival on Easter Monday (I have a 1936 Austin York).

My wife and I are staying at the Tudor House Clearwell on the night of Easter Sunday and would be happy to share any other information I have on the family or history of the area.

Kind Regards

Tony Jenkins

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