Louis MARFELL bn 1866 Ruardean

Evangelin(a)(e) Roberts 1864 is attributed by several researchers to have married Louis Marfell in 1910 or 1911 but I have not been able to find any reference to this marriage. It could not (or perhaps SHOULD not) have been in 1910, because on the 1911 census she is still married to William Morgan and living in Ruardean. Even a marriage in 1911 would be doubtful. Louis/Lewis Marfell was still with wife Sarah Ann Marshall on the 1911 census. There is a record of Sarah's death q2 1911, but not one for William.

In 1913 Evangelina was with husband Louis on board the "Meganic" for Quebec,en route to LaSalle Illinois, with "daughter" Evelyn aged 10 - most certainly Evelyn Morgan, therefore Louis's stepdaughter. This places the marriage between April 1911 and July 1913.

Does anyone have any further info or pointers to the marriage or relationship, please?

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Its Jim who puts the marriage down to May 1911 after the 1911 census ( place unknown)

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=7824

There is speculation this happened in America ( Canada or maybe on the ship ?)

http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN/2005-08/1123829913

*Louis Marfell b abt 18 dec 1866 in *Ruardean.Mar 1884 at Holy Trinity
Church to *Sarah Ann Marshall.It appears Louis remarried *in America.abt
1911.after arriving in America *about 1890.Louis died 4 feb 1946 at
*Limestone,Peoria,Ill and was buried 7 feb *1946 at Peru City
Cemetery,Peru,LaSalle Co *ill.

*Wife Evangaline Amanda Roberts b 23 march *1867 in Ruidean,Died 12 sept
1931 at Lasalle *Co Ill.buried Peru City,Peru,LaSalle Co *Ill,same
date.Her Parents were Henry Roberts *and Ann Meek.

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Louis Marfell was actually Lewis Marfell born 18 Dec 1866, I have his birth certificate. He was always known as Louis, he had a son Louis and a grandson Louis. I have a photograph titled "Louis, Louis & Louis". Some of my photographs and information are from his great grandaughter, Pam Broviac who I have met and drove her and some of her family around the Forest of Dean, visiting graveyards - as you do !!

Lewis (Louis) Marfell married Sarah Ann Marshall 14 Sep 1884 Forest Church, I have the marriage certificate. The 1911 Census took place 2nd April 1911. Sarah Ann Marfell nee Marshall died 18 May 1911 and is buried Ruardean 21st May 1911.

I have the death certificates for Lewis (Louis) and Evangeline. On Evangeline's certificate (American) she is shown as the wife of Louis Marfell and her father is shown as Henry Roberts.

I have the date of marriage to Evangeline as 20 Jun 1911, but do not know where and as per my notes on the link provided by Slowhands - (growing grass and feet spring to mind).

Below are the notes for Louis on my Family Tree :
Free Miner, registered as Lewis Marfell age 21 The Pludds, 12.8.1887 ID 2145

Shown as Louis on 1881 & 1901 Census.

1891 Census East Dean
Lewis Marfell 24 Coal Miner Ruardean
Sarah A 22 East Dean
Agnes 5 East Dean
Emily 2 East Dean

1901 Census East Dean
Louis Marfell Coal Miner East Dean
Sarah 33 East Dean
Agnes 15 Apprentice Dressmaker East Dean
Emily 12 East Dean
Mirium 9 East Dean
Ethel 7 East Dean

In the 1930 census Louis and Evangeline are living in LaSalle in the home of Talcott Barnes(who was born in Wisconsin). Louis is a gardener and Evangeline is a cook for the family.
In 1920 they are also living in LaSalle. They state that they both arrived in America in 1913. No children are living with them in either year.

Jim Ashton

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visiting graveyards - as you do !!

Jim

for completeness !

1911
MARFELL LOUIS M 1866 45 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MARFELL SARAH ANN F 1867 44 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

Year: 1911
Month: May
Day: 21
Surname: MARFELL
Forenames: Sarah Ann
Residence: The Pludds
Age_at_death: 42 years
Officiating_Minister: Edward Parnell Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/14
Page_No: 35
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

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Thanks Jim (et al)

I'd got most of the info, but, once again, an actual record of marriage is missing. Given the above data, it's pretty certain we have all the right people! I've been in touch with Pam Broviac, but she has only the same info. Seems the death record is the strongest evidence.

On the passenger list of the "Megantic" July 1913 she is listed as wife, so quite possibly married on board. [Just double checked -NOT listed as wife, both just "m" married.....was there a Gretna Green in Canada?? They didn't cross into the USA until 1915....a gap of 2 years]

Regards
Bob Jenkins

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Thanks Slowhands for the 1911 Census detail which I didn't have.

Thanks Bob,

For the reply and additional info you have sent me.

I have emailed Lewis (Louis) and Evangeline's death certificates to you.

Note as per 1st link provided by Slowhands
http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-GLOS-FOREST-DEAN/2005-08/1123829913, Most of the information from Roger is correct, except that the parents of Evangeline are Henry Roberts and Ann Hall not Meek, see below. Also an issue that I have answered before (see notes at the bottom of the detail from this link) Andrew Marfell & Benjamin Marfell are not brothers :

Year: 1853
Month: Nov
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: ROBERTS
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: West Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Cordwainer
Brides_Surname: HALL
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: West Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hall
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Edward
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Laborer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of Elijah Meek
Witness_2: Ann Meek
Other_Witnesses: None
Officiating_Minister: W. H. Taylor
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: -
Notes: -
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Jim Ashton

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Hello all. Evangeline Morgan (Marfell) is my great-grandmother and the daughter referred to (Evelyn) is my grandmother. Evelyn was born 8.21.1902. She always told us she came from England when she was 10, so this holds with the July 1913 crossing on Meganic. Years ago, I did much genealogy, still have an interest, but not the time for much research. I was thrilled to read this and perhaps get back into it. I do know that Evangeline and Louis (and Evelyn) lived for a time in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Back when I was doing research, which was pre-online, I searched for marriage records in both Edmonton and Illinois but was unsuccessful in finding anything. I'm not sure about a 1911 marriage date, the year at least doesn't seem correct. Additionally, Evangeline's husband was very much alive when she left - our family has always believed that they probably did not marry, but said they did. My father knows Louis as "grandpa Marfell." Evelyn died 8.6.1974 in Mendota, Illinois. I'm very interested in this if anyone else has any additional information to share. Thanks. Linda Hinzman (Cedar Rapids, Iowa, USA).

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Hi Linda

The date of the marriage between Lewis Marfell and Evangeline Amanda Roberts has always been a mystery. However the fact that Evangeline Married William Henry Roberts is not doubted. They married in Monmouth during the March Qtr of 1887. Registration number 11a 48. They did have a child before this marriage as their first child Sarah Lily was born two years earlier :

Year: 1885
Month: Oct
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: MORGAN
Child_Forenames: Sarah Lily
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Evanglina [sic]
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hansley
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: John Neal
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 3/4
Page_Number: 0
Parish_Chapel: East Dean Methodist Circuit

1891 Census East Dean RG 12/2004/140/14
William Morgan 36 Coal Miner East Dean
Evangela 26 East Dean
Lillie 5 East Dean
Edith M 3 East Dean
Maggie G 2 East Dean
William 5 months East Dean
George Morgan 19 Border East Dean
Mary Morgan sister 20 East Dean

Your grandmother Evelyn Peglar is my 7th cousin, so we are related. I have 3 children shown for her marriage to Howard Isaac Gardner, but nothing beyond.

Jim Ashton

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1911
MORGAN WILLIAM M 1856 55 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN EVANGELINE F 1866 45 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN ALBERT M 1899 12 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN DORRIS F 1898 13 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN EVYLN F 1903 8 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN IRVING M 1907 4 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN IVOR M 1905 6 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN KATE F 1895 16 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MORGAN STANLEY M 1901 10 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

1901
William Morgan abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Evanglina Morgan abt 1867 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Lillie Morgan abt 1886 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Gertrude Morgan abt 1889 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Morgan abt 1891 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Adaline Morgan W abt 1893 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Kate Morgan abt 1895 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Dores Morgan abt 1898 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Campbell Morgan abt 1899 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Stanley Morgan abt 1900 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

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Hi Jim. I'm curious why you use Peglar for my grandmother's last name? I assume an error, because her name was Evelyn Maude Morgan, then Gardner when she married Howard Isaac Gardner. There were 4 children: Bonnie, Howard & Harold (twins) and William. Howard is my father. I have info on all of their descendants if you want it. Harold and William are deceased. If you want to e-mail me directly and take the conversation off this thread, my e-mail is [Deleted by admin - see Posting Guidelines]. I'm very interested in anything you may have regarding this line (Morgan/Roberts). Thanks! Linda

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Hi Linda

Sorry about the confusion regarding Evelyn she had for some strange reason been entered twice in my Family Tree (now corrected), the first correct entry as the daughter of William Henry Morgan and Evangeline Amanda Roberts, the second - incorrect entry I had Evelyn as the daughter of Hilda Kate Morgan 1895 and Victor William Arthur Peglar born 7th April 1893.

Having corrected my Family Tree as above we are no longer related. I am related to Victor William Arthur Peglar 6th cousin once removed as his mother is a Trigg.

I have today received an email from a Marfell cousin in Canada who has been following the debate. He used to be the main contact for One Name Study - Marfell Family, I met him in Vancouver a few years ago. He has given permission to add his thoughts :

Thanks Jim,

I have read yours and slowhands exchange on the FOD website, it covers the info. that I was going to discuss with Jean and yourself, but I would like to add my view of the situation which you may pass on if you wish.

A family rumour has been passed down by Louis's relatives in England that he ran off to America with a married woman, this was told to me some twenty years ago with no more details than that. Over the years it puzzled me until I came across the records on ancestry.com, these are the same records that you discuss on the website.

I have also not found a marriage certificate and actually I believe they did not formally wed. It would be very convenient and no questions would be asked if you just boarded the ship as Mr & Mrs with a young daughter, I don't expect that they asked for proof of those things, note it does show Evelyn as a MARFELL. Remember how convenient it was for Fred Marfell b. 1870 ** to change his parentage when he went to the USA and if it had not been for us, no one would have ever known!

A couple of question arise, what ever happened to Evelyn during those early years? and why did Evangalina take the one child with her? she had other children, some quite young.
** As explanation - Fred Marfell was illegitimate, I have (via this contact) a copy of his original birth certificate, also a copy of his forged one showing a father.

Jim Ashton

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Jim and Others, thanks for the responses. Jim, would Hilda Kate Morgan be a sister to Evelyn then? The birth date you mentioned seems to correspond to the Kate Morgan in the census info. My grandmother Evelyn had two sisters who visited her in Illinois in the late 1960s or very early 1970s - Kate and Olive, although I see no Olive on the census records. Perhaps Olive is a middle name? Evelyn and her son William (and his wife Helen) visited Kate, Olive, and other family members in England around this same time.

Evelyn lived with Evangeline and Louis Marfell from the time they left England until she married as far as I know. Even though she may not be listed on the census data, I'm quite sure she was with them.

I too have wondered and speculated as to why Evelyn was "chosen" to accompany them, but have no definite answers. I think she was the youngest girl - maybe that had something to do with it.

I have quite a bit of information, some of it in written form from Jeff Sleeman (England relative - the son of either Olive or Kate - now deceased). I haven't actively pursued this for a number of years. In the next few days, I will dig out my records, review them, and if there's anything additional to add, I will post it here.

Thanks to all. Linda

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Name:Adeline F O Morgan
Name: Frank Sleeman
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Morgan
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 671

Name: Adeline Frances O Sleeman
Birth Date: 24 Dec 1892
Death Registration Month/Year: 1974
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1616

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Hi Linda

Of course Evelyn was the youngest girl, but not the youngest child, Ivor Orlando was born 1905 and Irving born 1907.

I have marriage detail for two of Evelyn's sisters; Adeline Frances "O" Morgan born 24 Dec 1892 married Frank Sleeman born Dec 1890 (he is a 4th cousin to me) two children William Stanley born 21 Dec 1912 & Dorothy Eleanor born 11 Sep 1914. I am going to assume that the "O" in Adeline's name is the Olive you mention. Evelyn's sister Hilda Kate born 1895 married Victor William Arthur Peglar born 7 Apr 1893 (my 6th cousin) they have 1 child (that I am aware of) Ramsey William Irvin born 1924.

Obviously the Jeff Sleeman you have corresponded with is descended from Frank Sleeman. I believe that Frank Sleeman died in 1953 but do not know where.

I have emailed some certificates and pictures to you.

Jim Ashton

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Now that my software tells me Frank Sleeman is "husband of the sister-in-law of nephew of wife of half-uncle of the father of...(me)" I think I'll stop following this line!

However, I'm sure more connections will emerge...........

Cheers, Bob

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Hi Bob

Perhaps to assist with your relationships; the parents of Frank Sleeman were Elijah Sleeman 1848 & Elizabeth L. Parents of Elijah 1848 were William Sleeman 1823 & Mary Hale 1820. Parents of Mary Hale were Joseph Hale 1776 & Mary Baldwin 1781, parents of Mary Baldwin 1781 were Richard Baldwin 1744 & Mary Herbert 1748.

Now we get back to the familiar question - Who were the parents of Richard Baldwin 1744. They are not, as some people have suggested James Baldwin 1693 & Sarah Barnard, their son Richard Baldwin was born 1731.

Jim Ashton

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Thanks Jim!

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Name: Frank Sleeman
Death Registration Month/Year: 1953
Age at death (estimated): 62
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 322

Name: Frank Sleeman
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 219

1901
Elizabeth L Sleeman abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Sleeman abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ernest Sleeman abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Sleeman abt 1881 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Sleeman abt 1885 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Sleeman abt 1887 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bessie Sleeman abt 1889 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frank Sleeman bt 1891 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sidney Sleeman abt 1893 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harry Sleeman abt 1894 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Elizah Heeman abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Heeman abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Kate Heeman abt 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Heeman abt 1878 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ernest J Heeman abt 1879 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Heeman abt 1881 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah J Heeman abt 1883 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert J Heeman abt 1886 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Heeman abt 1890 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frank Heeman abt 1890 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

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Name: Victor W A Peglar
Spouse : Hilda K Morgan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1920
Registration district: Westbury-On-Severn
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 656

Year: 1920
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: PEGLAR
Grooms_Forenames: Victor William Arthur
Grooms_Age: 27
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Drybrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: PEGLAR
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: MORGAN
Brides_Forenames: Hilda Kate
Brides_Age: 25
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: High Beech
Brides_Fathers_Surname: MORGAN
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: William Peglar
Witness_2: Doris A Morgan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 120
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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Name: Ramsey William I Pegler
Mother's Maiden Surname: Morgan
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1924
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 468

Name: Ramsey W I Pegler
Spouse : Maisie B Holloway
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1948
Registration district: Kingswood
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 1078

Name: Ramsay William I Pegler
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1924
Death Registration Month/Year: Jul 2002
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Register number: C64
District and Subdistrict: 4831C
Entry number: 53

possible

Name: Jean D Pegler
Mother's Maiden Surname: Morgan
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1926
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 429

Name: Jean D Pegler
Spouse : Benjamin T Ristagno (?)
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1944
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 583

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Another granddaughter of Evelyn Morgan Gardner piping in--Jean Pegler was my mother's cousin. She just recently passed away. Link to obit--

http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/2010/02/06/obituaries/doc4b6d455d34625167535950.txt

For as far back as I can recall she lived in the Detroit, Michigan area. She was described to me as a "war bride."

Becky Havens

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