I would like to learn who actually ran this foundry during the 19 C. A Thomas BURGHAM was obviously involved inasmuch that he mentioned it on his second wife's tombstone, but there was also another earlier Thomas BURGHAM (BURGUM) who died in 1833, was buried at Newlands, who may well have been in charge.

Information about who he was and where he came from would be welcome. My guess is Flaxley ( baptised in 1757) but that is unsubstantiated.

I have read Pat Morris's excellent articles on Thomas Ansley Account Book at Redbrook as well as an earlier one about tinplating at Lydbrook, and as a result am also looking to see if there there was some connection of the Burgums with the two families that were involved at Lydbrook.

One Thomas BERGOE married a Sarah ALLWAY (?ALLAWAY) in 1703, and another Thomas married a Sarah PARTRIDGE in 1780 at Lydney, so the Burgums look as if they involved somehow at both sites.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Brian Burgham

Hi
I was very interested to see the name ALLWAY(ALLAWAY) in your query as I have been researching the ALLAWAY family from Ruardean
Sylvia

Redbrook Iron Works: an Examination of the Evidence From Thomas Ansley's Account Book for 1794-1798
by Pat Morris
http://www.gsia.org.uk/reprints/2008/gi200824.pdf

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Hi
Thanks to Slowhands for posting the iron works document. After reading it I think that the Sarah ALLAWAY mentioned was one of the "rich" ALLAWAYS and therefore not mine. Still looking for a connection between the 2 families
Sylvia

Hello,
I have this if of any use:
1841,1851,1861, 1871 Census: Thomas Burgham b 1796 Newland Iron Founder
on 1871 Census it has: Iron Founder Employing 7 labourers
his address: Upper Redbrook, Newland, Monmouthshire.

Thomas Burgham m Harriet
8 children: Sarah, John, Henry, Eliza, Lydia, Edwin, James Alfred & William

William became a Clerk
but the other boys that I have traced were all Iron moulders

My interest is in Sarah who had a daughter Sarah Ann Burgham by William Cole
(Sarah was later the second wife of Moses Hawkins of Redbrook)

Sarah Ann was brought up by Harriet until she died
then she lived with her mother's new family, as did Thomas Burgham
Sarah Ann married Thomas Evans Hopkins, tin plate worker, in 1878
in 1881 the same Thomas Burgham, widower, is described as Retired Grocer.

Regards, RER

Thanks for your input. I had the Hopkins connection but no date. If you can enlarge it would be appreciated.

We found Sarah Ann Hawkins buried at Newland alongside her father Thomas on the north side, quite close to the church.

Harriet Weare was Thomas' second wife, the first being Esther Knight who he married on 21 July 1816 at Newland. She died in November 1833, and Thomas married Harriet on 11 Jan 1836.

There is a handwritten letter by Thomas Burgham in the Gloucester Record Office addressed curiously enough to a Reverend gentleman about the quality of the pig iron that was used at the Redbrook foundry. Apart from that, I have not been able to find out anything about the foundry or more importantly where Thomas came from. There was another Thomas Burgum / Burgham who was buried at Newland in 1833 as well as a Sarah three years later. I am unclear as what was their connection with each other. They were most likely the Thomas Burgum and Sarah Partridge who were married at Lydney in December 1780, but that would be an assumption, unproved.

I have a photo of the gravestone if you would like it but am not clear how to add it to this posting. Email would be OK.

Brian Burgham

There is an allegation, which you may already have, dated 2nd April 1703 -

"Which day appeared personally Thomas Bergoe of Little Dean in the Diocese of Gloucester and alledged that he intended to marry with Sarah Allway of Newland in the diocese aforesaid aged 21 years spinster etc. Signed by Thomas Borgoe.

The Borgoes can be traced back to Linton where they lived for about 150 years.

Do you know about the Ellway wills where two of them left some money to Thomas & Henry Burgum who may have resided at Flaxley and Bihopswood in the first part of the 18C? Any information on this score will be most welcome.

Brian

Thank you - I'll go and see gravestone....by Newland Church?

Thomas (Evans) Hopkins' 1878 marriage to Sarah Ann Burgum (Burgham) is under the Newland Parishes on website.
He is certainly the Thomas Evans Hopkins on the Census returns, though he doesn't always use Evans....I can be certain because of siblings etc.

Sarah Ann's father was William Cole. Her mother Sarah married Moses Hawkins...by tracing siblings it is clear that the younger Sarah Ann was living with her grandparents and then moved to her mother's family with her widowed grandfather Thomas Burgham (1881).
It is also clear that this is the same Thomas Burgham who was the Iron foundry employer up to 1871 but was a Retired Grocer in 1881. Interestingly it is the 1861 Census that says he employed 7 labourers....the 1871 census just says he is an Iron Founder...so perhaps his fortunes were declining and he turned to having a grocery business instead.
How interesting to see TB's letter - would the content be applicable to the scenario above perhaps?
Do you want to know about Sarah Ann & Thomas Evans Hopkins' children?
None stayed long in the Forest that I can see.
Hope this helps. RER

Re Pat Morris' excellent Article it may be that the time span of use for the Iron Works and Tin Works in Redbrook may be extended by using the Census returns. These do not state the places where the individuals worked but it is reasonable to assume that they lived reasonably near their places of work.

Thomas Burgham:

1851 Census: address Upper Redbrook, Newland gives
- Thomas Burgham (b1795 Newland) occupation: Iron Founder.
- his sons, John, Henry, Edwin, & James Alfred, occupations of each: Moulder

1861 Census:address The...Forge Mount Cottage, Upper Redbrook, Newland
- Thomas Burgham (as above) occupation: Iron Founder Employing 7 Labourers.

1871 Census: address Redbrook, Upper, Newland,Monmouthshire.
- Thomas Burgham (as above) Iron Founder

But he had left the industry by 1881, suggesting the Iron Foundry is then in decline here.

Thomas Burgham's grand-daughter's husband was in:

1871 Census: address in the Western Valley, Aberystruth, Monmouthshire, occupation Tin plate Worker.

1881 Census: living with new wife (Thomas Burgham's grand-daughter & her family)
address Up Redbrook, Newland, occupation: Tin Plate Roller.

1891 Census: address Road, Newland, Redbrook, same occupation.

1894 Baptism Register for Thomas & Sarah Hopkins' youngest daughter:
address The Mount Redbrook, Newland, occupation: Tin Plate Worker.

This suggests that the Tin Plate Works survived longer - at least until 1895.

Hope this helps researchers. RER

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This thread caught my eye as I have an Ann Burgham who married Esaias Pewtner 14 May 1825 Walford by Ross and was buried 20 May 1835 in Christchurch. I think this is her baptism as fits with age at death - 27 Nov 1796, Whitchurch, parents Henry and Sarah.
Interestingly Esaias's father(another Esaias)worked as Steward to John Partridge of Bishopswood who owned the forge at Lydbrook.
Do you know if this is the same Burgham family?

Joss

A belated reply!

Can you clarify which two familes you refer to,please?

We went to Newland Church and found the two gravestones - thank you for telling me about them. Best wishes, RER.