George READ mining death 1879

George Brown READ of Woodside Ruardean was 51 years old when he died and was buried at Ruardean Chapel 26th June 1879. Our parents said that he died in an accident at the mine, and his son George BROWN (1869), was also affected and later stopped working as a miner.
There is no record of an 1879 inquest. Also the family lost track of his son, although we were told that he emigrated to America. Is it possible to find any details of the mine accident? There is also the emigration mystery, since there was no communication from George BROWN if he emigrated from the Forest.

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George Brown (1827-1879) made a Will dated 11th June 1879. He died on 24th June 1879. In the 19th century it was common practice for people to make a Will once they knew they were dying. It is possible that George died from injuries sustained in a mining accident, or maybe as a result of a respiratory problem. At the very least it would seem that he did not die outright from an accident, which might help explain why it is not possible to find a record of an inquest. It might be worth having a search through the local newspapers for June 1879 to see if anything was recorded. You are probably aware that George (b.1869) appears in the 1881 Census but not in the 1891 Census, at least not as living in Newham Bottom. Presumably he had emigrated by this time ? In case it is of interest I am desecnded from Ann Read (b.1856), one of George's older sisters who moved to Brighton in around 1880.

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Thankyou very much Matt. My relative is Ellen READ (1861) a daughter of George READ (1828) and Jane TINGLE (1828). Ann READ (1856)was her older sister and I would welcome any further information about her. I knew her other sister Jane Ann READ (Sept 1854) who moved to Brighton and married George W.BATCHELOR, a manager at the Royal Pavilion. I often confuse the two Ann READs; I hope I have got it right. And was there a local paper for the Forest in 1879?

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answered similar questions a few times !!!

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=7412#p7412

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=11969#p11971

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Many thanks for the information, totally new to me.

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First of all thank you to Slowhands who always comes up trumps with tips and advice. I hope the links he has given you will help you to find out more about George senior.

Your post is very interesting for me because you have answered a question that I thought I would never get to ask ! In my family history folder I have pictures of 'Uncle Batchelor' who is described as the husband of one of my grandfather's aunts. Thanks to you I can know place Uncle Batchelor as the husband of Jane Ann Read...

I have Ellen Read noted down as Helen or Hellen Read but I presume this must have been a transcription error. I am afraid I don't know anything further about Ellen. So far as Ann READ (1856) is concerned, she too moved to Brighton and married Leonard Pirie there in 1885. In the 1881 Census I believe I discovered Ann working at the Grand Hotel in Brighton. I say believe because her name is given as JANE READE, but all the other details about her fitted with what I knew, not least her place of birth (Woodside) and her age, 25 years. Why she would have changed her name I have yet to discover. But now, with your information to hand, it is possible that this woman was in fact Jane Ann READ. Have you found a reference to Jane Ann in the 1881 Census? I don't think I found Ellen in the 1881 Census - did you ?

I have photos of Jane Tingle, Ann Read and of course Uncle Batchelor. If you would like copies please let me know.

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Matt - The Ann, sister of Jane Ann, was bn 1856. The Ann who married Leonard Pirie is listed on 1891/1901 censuses as bn 1865/6....she is possibly Ann Sophia, daughter of a Jane Maria who was a widow on 1871 census.

Any chance of putting the pics you have onto the site, please? George Brown Read was a 2nd cou of mine.

Cheers
Bob

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Bob,

Once I put my post up I thought, actually... it would be better to put the photos on the site ! I will get them scanned in and sent off as soon as I can.

So far as Ann READ (b.1856) and Leonard PIRIE (b.1862) are concerned, I recall that on the 1901 Census they were both shown as 36 years old when in fact they were nearer 45 and 39 respectively. I have their marriage certificate which confirms that when they married in January 1885 they were 28 and 23 years respectively. The record on the 1901 census is wrong, but it is a good example of the mistakes that can occur even on something as official as the census return. I have no doubt that Ann READ was married to Leonard PIRIE - I have too much (other) evidence to think otherwise !

Matt

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1911
PIRIE LEONARD HENRY M 1866 45 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE HESTER F 1883 28 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE ANNIE RUTH F 1886 25 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE DOROTHY HOSTER F 1910 1 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE JOHN HENRY M 1908 3 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE LEONARD GEORGE M 1893 18 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE LEONARD HENRY M 1866 45 Brighton Sussex

Name: Leonard Henry Pirie
Name: Esther Smith
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Brighton
County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 429

Name: Annie Pirie
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 47
District: Brighton
County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 143

1901
Leonard H Pirie abt 1865 Brighton, Sussex, England Head Brighton, Sussex
Annie Pirie abt 1865 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Brighton, Sussex
Annie R Pirie abt 1887 Brighton, Sussex, England Daughter Brighton, Sussex
Leonora J Pirie abt 1890 Brighton, Sussex, England Daughter Brighton, Sussex
Leonard G J Pirie abt 1893 Brighton, Sussex, England Son Brighton, Sussex

1891
Leonard H Pirie abt 1856 Brighton, Sussex, England Head Brighton, Sussex
Annie Pirie abt 1866 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Brighton, Sussex
Ruth K Pirie abt 1880 Brighton, Sussex, England Daughter Brighton, Sussex
Elenora J Pirie abt 1882 Brighton, Sussex, England Daughter Brighton, Sussex

I have their marriage certificate which confirms that when they married in January 1885 they were 28 and 23 years respectively

Name: Leonard Henry Pirie [1862 approx]
Name: Ann Read [1857 approx]
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Steyning
County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 393

1881
Name: Jane Reade
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Woodside, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address: Grand Hotel Kings Road
Education:

Occupation: Housemaid Dom

Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: The Palace

1871
George Read 44
Jane Read 43
Ann Read 15
Hannah Read 13
Hellen Read 10
Martha Read 6
George Read 3
Mary Read 1

Year: 1856
Month: May
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: READ
Child_Forenames: Ann
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Jane
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: R[ichard] Vaughan
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Woodside Preaching House
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian Circuit

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1911
PIRIE LEONARD HENRY M 1866 45 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE ANNIE RUTH F 1886 25 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE DOROTHY HOSTER F 1910 1 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE HESTER F 1883 28 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE JOHN HENRY M 1908 3 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE LEONARD GEORGE M 1893 18 Brighton Sussex
PIRIE LEONARD HENRY M 1866 45 Brighton Sussex

Hester F 1883 is his new wife, nee Smith.

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Agreed :-)

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Name: Annie Pirie
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 47
District: Brighton
County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 143

So at death she reverts to being born abt 1857......and I thought the Marfells were a difficult bunch to research!

Keep smiling
Bob

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Bob,

You're telling me ! But I suppose that's part of the fun of family history research...

Thank you Slowhands for your very useful summary. Looking at this I am sure I have not seen the data for the 1891 Census before because I don't recall seeing that Leonard Pirie's date of birth was given at this time as 1856! The lack of consistency, noted by also by Bob, makes it very difficult to make any assumptions as to why age records varied so much.

As a footnote, Ruth PIRIE and her half sister Dorothy moved from Brighton to the Forest at some point; Ruth married Joe MALSOM, whilst I understand that Dorothy worked for many years at the Dilke Hospital (not sure if she married). I have a photo of Ruth and Joe outside their cottage in Crossways, taken between the Wars, which I'll also scan and submit.

Matt

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Name: Dorothy Hetty Pirie
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 1988
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 307

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Name: Frederick George Malsom {suspect}
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 463

Name: Frderick G Malson
Death Registration Month/Year: 1961
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 362

Name: Frederick J Malsom {suspect}
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Lane
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 823

Name: Annie R Pirie
Spouse : Frederick G Malsom
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1933
Registration district: Brighton
Registration county (inferred): Sussex
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 515

Name: Annie R Malson
Death Registration Month/Year: 1965
Age at death (estimated): 79 [ 1885 approx]
Registration district: Gloucester City
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 385

Name: Frederick Joseph Malsom
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: 1979
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1738

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I know very little about Annie Ruth and Joe Malsom, only that according to their memorial in Ruardean churchyard, Annie Ruth died in 1965 aged 79 years and Joe died in 1961 aged 63. It is possible that Frederick George Malsom was known as Joe?

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I guess the answer is yes he may well have been known as Joe

Name: Frederick George Malsom
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 463

Name: Frderick G Malson
Death Registration Month/Year: 1961
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 362

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I am researching the Malsom/Malson family do you have any other details on Joe Malsom i.e. date of birth or names of parents.

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There is no record of an 1879 inquest

His death is not recorded on the Roll of Honour - so either he has been overlooked , or he was injuried in an accident and died some time later ....

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