James THOMAS born about 1815 Lydbrook (General)

by SianEH, Tuesday, March 09, 2010, 15:50 (5448 days ago)

I've just started searching my Forest of Dean ancestry, beginning with my g-g-grandfather Tom Thomas and working back. Tom married Alice Taylor in Berkeley Union Chapel in 1879, and gives his father's details as James Thomas, tin roller from Lydbrook. On census returns Tom's birthplace is given as Redbrook.

I think he must be Tom son of James and Mary Thomas living at Parkend, West Dean. James' date of birth is c1815, judging by his age, and when he remarries, to Caroline Hope in 1862, he gives his father's name as John Thomas, also a tin roller.

This family line has been a major brick wall until recently, when I was able to pin down Tom and Alice's marriage certificate and thus get the father's name. So my next step is to trace James' family. Would be glad of any help, and contact from any family connections would also be welcome.

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James THOMAS approx 1815 - 1900 Lydbrook

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, March 09, 2010, 20:13 (5448 days ago) @ SianEH

possible future wife

Year: 1817
Month: Mar
Day: 4
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Rebekah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Copped Wood
Occupation: Lab[oure]r
Officiating_Minister: Hy Williams Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: BF 16/5
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Goodrich

or

Year: 1818
Month: Aug
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: W[illia]m
Mothers_Forenames: Millicent
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Whitchurch
Occupation: Baker & Miller
Officiating_Minister: Geo. Pyrke Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AC 76/1
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: Whitchurch


possible marriage

Year: 1836
Month: Apr
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: THOMAS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Parkend in the Forest of Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Parkend in the Forest of Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William Jones
Witness_2: Maria Pritchard [?]
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 18
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

1841 Lower Redbrook
James Thomas abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire Tin Worker
Mary Thomas abt 1818 Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Thomas abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Thomas abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Rowland Thomas abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

1851
Janes Thomas abt 1814 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Thomas abt 1817 Wleh, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Maryann Thomas abt 1836 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Thomas abt 1838 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Rowland Thomas abt 1840 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
John Thomas abt 1841 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Hannah Thomas abt 1845 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
William Thomas abt 1849 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1861
James Thomas abt 1815 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Thomas abt 1817 Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rowland Thomas abt 1841 Redbrook, Monmouthshire, Wales Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Thomas abt 1843 Redbrook, Monmouthshire, Wales Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Thomas abt 1846 Abercorn, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Thomas abt 1849 Redbrook, Monmouthshire, Wales Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Thomas abt 1852 Redbrook, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Thomas abt 1856 Redbrook, Monmouthshire, Wales Son West Dean, Gloucestershire


1871 Parkend
James Thomas 55 newland
Caroline Thomas 55 Morton Vallence
Tom Thomas 15 Dixton Monmouth

1881
James Thomas abt 1814 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Caroline Thomas abt 1816 Moreton Vallance, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
William Hope abt 1872 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Newland, Gloucestershire

1891
James Thomas abt 1813 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Caroline Thomas abt 1815 Morton Ballads, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
William Hope abt 1873 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1900
Month: Aug
Day: 29
Surname: THOMAS
Forenames: James
Residence: Tin Roller
Age_at_death: 89
Officiating_Minister: George Jarvis
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Coleford (2) South Div: Adult Gr. (3) E 12 (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 80
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery


1901
Caroline Thomas abt 1840 Marting Hanstun, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Eliza Evens abt 1865 Coalway; Lane End Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
William Evens abt 1866 Kington, Herefordshire, England Son-in-law West Dean, Monmouthshire

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Tom THOMAS 1854 Redbrook

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 06:55 (5448 days ago) @ slowhands

Year: 1854
Month: May
Day: 31
Parents_Surname: THOMAS
Child_Forenames: Tom
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Redbrook
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Henley
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Ap[ri]l 9 1854
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 24
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth Wesleyan Methodist Circuit

Name: Tom Thomas
Name: Alice Taylor
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Thornbury
County: Avon, Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 371


1881
Tom Thomas abt 1856 Redbrook, Monmouth, Wales Head Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Alice Thomas abt 1860 Ross, Hereford, England Wife Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Tom Thomas abt 1880 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Florence Thomas Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Berkeley, Gloucestershire


1891
Tom Thomas abt 1856 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Alice Thomas abt 1862 Ross, Herefordshire, England Wife Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Tom Thomas abt 1880 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Florence Thomas abt 1882 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Berkeley, Gloucestershire
William J Thomas abt 1883 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Charles Thomas abt 1885 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Bessie Thomas abt 1886 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Nellie Thomas abt 1888 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Kate Thomas abt 1890 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Berkeley, Gloucestershire

Name: Tom Thomas
Name: Kate Coome
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Cheltenham
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 937

1901
Tom Thomas abt 1856 Redbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Alkington, Gloucestershire
Kate Thomas abt 1857 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Alkington, Gloucestershire
Florence Thomas abt 1881 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Alkington, Gloucestershire
Ellen Thomas abt 1888 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Alkington, Gloucestershire
Alice Thomas abt 1901 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Alkington, Gloucestershire
Norah K Coome abt 1887 South Claives, Worcestershire, England Stepdaughter Alkington, Gloucestershire
Henry W Coome abt 1890 South Claives, Worcestershire, England Stepson Alkington, Gloucestershire

1911
THOMAS TOM M 1856 55 Thornbury Gloucestershire
THOMAS KATE F 1857 54 Thornbury Gloucestershire
THOMAS ALICE F 1901 10 Thornbury Gloucestershire

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Tom THOMAS 1854 Redbrook

by SianEH, Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 10:48 (5448 days ago) @ slowhands

Yes, that's my g-g-grandfather, with his first wife Alice Taylor, who was from Ross-on-Wye. Their son William James was my great-grandfather. Thank you for the census returns on James and Mary, that looks like the right family :-) I just have to trace them back further, and I think a couple of days exploring the Forest of Dean are called for too! I now need to look for James' marriage to Mary, and find out who his parents are; I've also been reading some information on the tin plate works at Redbrook to see what they were actually doing as 'tin rollers'.

And there's also a theory that Tom, who ended up in Sharpness in 1879 (when his marriage occurred), may have been working on the construction of the Severn rail bridge, so I will explore that too. Tom had a varied career - he worked as a dock labourer in Sharpness, then became landlord of the Fox Inn near Berkeley, and ended up running a coffee house on Sharpness Docks with his second wife Kate.

Thanks again for the response!

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