Edward Badger burial 1853 - Forest of Dean FHT Forum

I have found a burial for an Edward Badger 11 April 1853 at Newlands PC, aged 70 years old and residing at Berry Hill. I have searched the FoD records and found no other Edward Badger who fits in with this burial.

I have a great gggGrandfather, Edward Badger born in Staffordshire in 1783 (70 years old in 1853). He was living in Merthyr 1816 to 1849, but then dissapears entirely.

The last we know of Edward is when he was handed 6 months hard labour at Swansea prison in 1849, after which he just dissapears.

If this is my Edward I don't understand why he finished up in the Forest of Dean (although it is a lovely place to end up). As well as searching the FoD records for other Edwards I have also searched for possible family who he could have moved in with but without any result.

Does anyone on the site have a claim on this Edward Badger. I have searched for this death for quite a while. I suppose I may in the end have to get the death certificate to see if there is an informant.

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Year: 1853
Month: Apr
Day: 11
Surname: BADGER
Forenames: Edward
Residence: Berry Hill
Age_at_death: 70
Officiating_Minister: Ralph C Morton Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 53
Parish_Chapel: Newland

in step with BMD entry

Name: Edward Badger
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 11

"best fit" from 1851 census :-

1851 Berry Hill
John Webb abt 1818 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire Master Nailor
Isabella Webb abt 1811 Canterbury Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Charles Webb abt 1847 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
John Webb abt 1850 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Rosannah Hale abt 1832 Ther, Glamorgan, Wales Stepdaughter Newland, Gloucestershire
James Hale abt 1835 Ther, Glamorgan, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Moses Hale abt 1839 Ther, Glamorgan, Wales Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Edward Baglin abt 1783 [There,] Worcestershire, England Lodger Newland, Gloucestershire Nailor

"your man" in
1841
Edwd Bagent abt 1786 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan Nailor
Ann Bagent abt 1826 Glamorgan, Wales Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan

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Oh! Oh! looks even better that this might be our Edward, because our Edward was also a Nailor. Also being a lodger he might not have had family locally. Will go look at the census when the library open.
Thanks ever so for the reply slowhands very very helpful. Would you know if a Nailor was a common profession within the FoD area?

Regards

Ray

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this is the family he lodges with in the next census

Year: 1836
Month: Dec
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: Noah
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Isabella
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Forest of Dean
Occupation: Nailer
Officiating_Minister: George Roberts BA Perpet: Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 20
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

Name:John Webb
Name: Isabella Hale
Year of Registration: 1841
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 61

Year: 1841
Month: Apr
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: WEBB
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: Full
Groom_Condition: Batchelor [s
Grooms_Occupation: Nailor [sic]
Grooms_Residence: Coleford Lane's End
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Webb
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: W[illia]m.
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Sawyer
Brides_Surname: HALE
Brides_Forenames: Isabella
Brides_Age: Full
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Coleford Lane's End
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Badges
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: W[illia]m.
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Nailor [sic]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mary Ann [illegible]
Witness_2: Peter Darby
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Frederick Stonhouse Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

1841 Sparrow Hill
Isabella Webb abt 1816 Newland, Gloucestershire
John Webb abt 1821 Newland, Gloucestershire
Hannah Habe abt 1829 Newland, Gloucestershire
William Hell abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Rossinna Habe abt 1831 Newland, Gloucestershire
James Habe abt 1834 Newland, Gloucestershire
Noah Hale abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Moses Hale abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

1861
John Webb abt 1818 Wooten Under Age, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Isabella Webb abt 1811 Canterbury, Kent, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Charles Webb abt 1847 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
John Webb abt 1850 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Moses Hale abt 1838 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Stepson Newland, Gloucestershire
William Webb abt 1815 Wootten Under Age, Gloucestershire, England Brother Newland, Gloucestershire

1871
John Webb 53 Wooten u Edge Glos
Isabella Webb 62 Canterbury Kent
John Webb 21
William H Webb 2
Oliver Beach 18
Elizabeth Jones 18

Name: Isabella Webb
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 70
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 13

Nailors were in the Forest working local iron ore - Staffordshire I believe also had an iron stone industry

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in the area that Edward lodges in 1851 ( census is clear this is BADGER family)

1841 Sparrow Hill
William Badge abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire Nailor
Rosenner Badge abt 1791 Newland, Gloucestershire
John Badge abt 1825 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Jeremiah Badge abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Badge abt 1831 Newland, Gloucestershire
Edward Badge abt 1832 Newland, Gloucestershire

SARAH BADGER
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Event(s):
Birth: 18 JUL 1830
Christening: 15 AUG 1830 Pont-Morlais English Wesleyan, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales

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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM BADGER
Mother: ROSANNA
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C103071 1804 - 1837 0813542 (RG4 4094) Film NONE
Sheet: 00

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Thanks for all the excellent research slowhands.

Looks even more like our Edward. There was a William (with a wife Rosonna) at Merthyr the same time as Edward and we believe that they were brothers. William & Rosonna had a daughter Sarah born 1830 but I don't have knowledge of the other children (were they all identified as children?)

Also some of the Hale children were born in Merthyr, so there might also be a connection there. I am trying to keep myself in check to stop making things fit where they don't

Thanks yet gain for the messages

Best Regards

Ray

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Its starting to come together :-)

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Hi Slowhands

Just to keep you abreast of where I am. The marriage of John Webb & Isabella Hale was 9 April 1841 at Hewelsfield (from the FoD registers) and Isabella's fathers name given as William Badges, occupation Nailor. Looks like Edward was lodging with his niece.

Even with this evidence I am still a bit reluctant to fully accept that Edward is ours - although it looks more likely than unlikely.

The one issue is with Isabella being born in Canterbury, although William and Rosena could well have gone to to Kent before Merthyr. I had ancestors in my own line born in unlikley places.

Regards

Ray

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Ray

Keeping an open mind and not rushing to conclusions is part of this game - I'll not teach you to suck eggs :-)

However you do get a feeling when things start to line up. I'll go back to the census image and double check the Canterbury, there is a Hangerbury / Anchorberry nr Lydbrook - and Cwmtillery nr Bedwelty Mon. you can almost hear the confusion ....

ISABELLA BADGER
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Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN AILE
Marriage: 10 JUL 1828 Bedwelty, Monmouth, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M020092 1696 - 1829 0104847 Film NONE

Sheet:

regards
S

please keep the thread up to date - it is appreciated

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Hi Slowhands

Are you saying there was a marriage for a John Aile to Isabella Badger at Bedwellty in 1828? Where did this come from?

The 1828 marriage is a possiblity with a possible birth date for Isabella of 1811.

I have a possible Marriage for a William Badger to a Rose in 1810 in Clent Worcestershire and then baptisms in Merthyr in 1816 (maria to William & Rosanna), 1819 (Mary to William & Roson) and 1831 (Sarah to William & Rosonna.

Incidently whilst Bedwellty covered quite a big area in 1830/1840 I only live about 3 miles from St Sannons, Bedwellty church.

Regards

Ray

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Are you saying there was a marriage for a John Aile to Isabella Badger at Bedwellty in 1828? Where did this come from?

its taken from the Latter day Saints / IGI site http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

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Got it. Well done slowhands, I always forget to search the pilot site. I need to identify the parish register? the Monmouthshire site only has marriage transcriptions up to 1812.

Your input has been so invaluable, thanks yet again

Best Regards

Ray.

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Hi Slowhands

Just Back from the Gwent Records Office.

Looked up the marriage of Isabella Badger to John Aile 10 July 1828 at Bedwellty. Not a lot of additional useful information, however it does show that John Aile was a Nailor. Both were recorded as 'Of This Parish' and were married by Banns (the Banns are not available). Both of them signed the register with a mark (X), and the two witness's were Joseph Morgan (X) and (looks like) Esther Snelling.

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Edward Badger burial 1853 (General)

Edward BADGER 1783 - 1853

Edward BADGER 1783 - 1853

Edward BADGER 1783 - 1853 ( lodges with WEBB / HALE family)

William BADGER 1790 ish Nailor Newland in 1841

William BADGER Nailor Newland in 1841

William BADGER Nailor Newland in 1841

William BADGER Nailor Newland in 1841

Isabella WEBB /HALE / BADGER 1808 approx

Isabella WEBB /HALE / BADGER 1808 approx

Isabella WEBB /HALE / BADGER 1808 approx

Isabella WEBB /HALE / BADGER 1808 approx

Isabella WEBB /HALE / BADGER 1808 approx