Joseph HALE -Harry Hill

Does anyone have any information on this branch of the Hale Family? Joseph Hale born in 1863 at Harry Hill (Harrow Hill) married Elizabeth Baldwin. They had 4 sons and 4 daughters but i only know the names of 2 of the sons, Frank (founder of Hales Cakes Clevedon) and George. George married Emily Grace Howell and they had three sons but i can only name one - stanley.

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1851

HALE Enoch 32 Smith & Engineer Forest of Dean
William 27 Frampton on Severn
Eliza Ann 2 East Dean
Enoch 10m East Dean
HELMES Jemima 19 Forest of Dean

HALE Cornelius 47 Blacksmith East Dean
Hannah 46 East Dean
Richard 24 Blacksmith East Dean
Edward 14 East Dean
George 12 East Dean
Thomas 10 East Dean
John 5 East Dean

1871
Julia Beachel 16 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Servant East Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Hale 32 Sandhurst, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
George Hale 32 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
John Hale 4 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Lucy Hale 3 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

Edward Alb Hale 3 months East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza Hale 46 Frompton on Severn, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza J Hale 22 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Enoch Hale 34 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire <52 ?>
Enoch Hale 20 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Osceola Hale 19 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Hale 7 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean Gloucestershire

1881
Anne Hale abt 1839 Stanturst, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean
George Hale abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean
John Hale abt 1866 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Joseph Hale abt 1864 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean

1891
Hale, Joseph 27 East Dean, Gloucestershire Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Elizabeth 23 East Dean, Gloucestershire Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, George 1 East Dean, Gloucestershire Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Hale, Gladys 10/12 East Dean, Gloucestershire Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire

1901
Dorothy J Hale 2 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Hale 33 Harrow on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney Monmouthshire
Frank Hale 9 Harrow on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney Monmouthshire
George Hale 11 Harrow on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney Monmouthshire
Gladys Hale 10 Harrow on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney Monmouthshire
Hilda Hale 8 Harrow on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney Monmouthshire
Joseph Hale 47 Mail Bridge, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney Monmouthshire
Lillian K Hale 6 Harrow on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney Monmouthshire

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Name: Dorothy Ida Hale
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 9

Year: 1899
Month: Apr
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: Dorothy Ida
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Eliz[abe]th
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydney
Occupation: Tinplate Worker
Officiating_Minister: Joseph Knipe
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Born] March 3rd
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598/4/2
Page_Number: 66
Parish_Chapel: Lydney Primitive Methodist

1901
Joseph Hale abt 1854 Mail Bridge, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Hale abt 1868 Harrow On The Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Monmouthshire
George Hale abt 1890 Harrow On The Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
Gladys Hale abt 1891 Harrow On The Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Frank Hale abt 1892 Harrow On The Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
Hilda Hale abt 1893 Harrow On The Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Lillian K Hale abt 1895 Harrow On The Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Dorothy J Hale abt 1899 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire

1911 part household
HALES DOROTHY IDA F 1899 12 Chepstow Monmouthshire
HALES ELIZABETH FLORENCE F 1905 6 Chepstow Monmouthshire
HALES FRED STANLEY M 1906 5 Chepstow Monmouthshire
HALES JOSEPH WILLIAM M 1904 7 Chepstow Monmouthshire
HALES LILIAN KATE F 1895 16 Chepstow Monmouthshire

Name: Dorothy I Hale
Spouse : Joseph P Hill
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration district: Chepstow
Registration county (inferred): Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 33

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Hi.

Could you tell me if you have a Jack Hale who married May Griffiths (b-20,10.1899)? May was from the Forest of Dean. They had a son named Kenneth.

Thank you.

Peter

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hi, i'm sorry i don't have a jack hale in the family tree that i know of or any Griffiths'

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Year: 1892
Month: Mar
Day: 20
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: Frank
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Harry Hill
Occupation: Tin Plate Worker
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

See Hales Cakes http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=14763
and here
http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/news/Readers-memory-lane-cake-factory/article-492180-de...

Name: Frank Hale
Death Registration Month/Year: 1942
Age at death (estimated): 49
Registration district: Weston-Super-Mare
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 1149

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Hi Sam
I have just been reading your request for information about Joseph HALE (dated 5/4/2005)
George HALE, who married Emily Grace Howell was my wife's Uncle.
George had 3 Sons they were Stan, John & George.
Stan died about 3 years ago, He ws the Chief Registrar for the Forest of Dean.
John lives in Bream, and has been made an MBE.
George still lives in Lydney.
As you posted this in 2005 you proberbly have all this information by now but I have well over 100 HALE's on our Family Tree.
Let me know how much information have have and I will try to fill in any gaps.

Regards, Brian Price

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Hi Sam
I have just been reading your request for information about Joseph HALE (dated 5/4/2005)
George HALE, who married Emily Grace Howell was my wife's Uncle.
George had 3 Sons they were Stan, John & George.
Stan died about 3 years ago, He ws the Chief Registrar for the Forest of Dean.
John lives in Bream, and has been made an MBE.
George still lives in Lydney.
As you posted this in 2005 you proberbly have all this information by now but I have well over 100 HALE's on our Family Tree.
Let me know how much information have have and I will try to fill in any gaps.

Regards, Brian Price

Name: George Hale
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1889
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 241

1911 Dinglethorpe Lydney
Joseph Hale 47
Elizabeth Hale 43
George Hale 21
Frank Hale 19
Lilian Kate Hale 16
Dorothy Ida Hale 12
Joseph William Hale 7
Elizabeth Florence Hale 6
Fred Stanley Hale 5

Name: George Hale
Spouse Surname: Emily G Howell
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1913
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 37

John Hale Jul-Aug-Sep 1923 Chepstow Wales

Stanley Hale Oct-Nov-Dec 1928 Chepstow Glamorganshire

George Hale Jul-Aug-Sep 1933 Chepstow Wales

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For any "new" Hale researchers reading this thread I think Glyn Hale's website is an essential read for all of us researching the Hale name.

http://www.halefamily.net/about.html

I do hope this is of interest.

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The website's contact page says the website is no longer being maintained although entries can still be made in the guest book.

I was going to ask if a connection has been made between these Hales and the Dorothy Hale in my grandparents' wedding photo of 1913 on www.sungreen.co.uk under Lydney Page 2, People, Essex-Sterry. She and the girl next to her are suspected to have been friends of my grandmother.

A Dorothy Hale of about the right age appears in the 1911 census details above, and was baptised at Lydney Primitive Methodist Church which is where my grandparents were married.

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Hi Peter,
I only found the Hale website last year and have never tried to contact it, just used it for researching one of my lines (Lydbrook Hales, not Lydney). Whether they monitor and possibly react to messages left I don't know; personally I would think they might do given the sheer effort producing the site. I would certainly leave a message just in case if it still permits.

That said, I've tried Googling "Glyn Hale Stroud" and one of the hits gives his Struud phone number albeit way back in 1997, quite possibly no use now but surely worth a polite call ?. I have emailed you & Slowhands direct to avoid reproducing it here.
However it's also led to this interesting FH website for North Nibley area
http://members.shaw.ca/panthers1/Tortworth.html

This site page contains a post by Glyn listing his websites, one about music teacher Gill Hale (his wife ?), this contains contact details which are hopefully uptodate.

Failing all that perhaps a letter to the local paper will succeed.
http://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/

Thanks Peter for pointing me towards the photo and the accompanying story. What a wedding weekend that was for your family, poor Flossie ! I do hope you can discover more about Dorothy, it does sound possible she is the same girl you mention above but I suspect the name isn't that rare in the area ?

Searching the 1911 Census gives, of course, a few possibles but this is the most likely I think alto the lass in the photo looks older than 14 to me ?. I recommend you browse the options via the free access Ancestry site yourself, this one is actually listed under the 1911 Wales Census.

8 rooms residence at "Dinglethorpe" Lydney;

Joseph Hale Head abt 1864 47 Male Married 23 yrs Sinplate Roller At R B Thomast Works Lta Norlbaiage Gloucestershire England
Elizabeth Hale Wife abt 1868 43 Female Married 23 yrs Housewife Harrout Hill Gloucestershire England
George Hale Son abt 1890 21 Male Single Simekeeper Harrout Hill Gloucestershire England
Frank Hale Son abt 1892 19 Male Single Baker At Weaitans Harrout Hill Gloucestershire England
Lilian Kate Hale Daughter abt 1895 16 Female Single Domestie Harrout Hill Gloucestershire England
Dorothy Ida Hale Daughter abt 1899 12 Female School Lydney Gloucestershire England Dinglethorpe Lydney
Joseph William Hale Son abt 1904 7 Male School Lydney Gloucestershire England
Elizabeth Florence Hale Daughter abt 1905 6 Female School Lydney Gloucestershire England
Fred Stanley Hale Son abt 1906 5 Male School Lydney Gloucestershire

IF I was paying an Ancestry subscription I would write to them about this interesting transcription, the Census form is very well written by clearly an educated hand and carries much interesting info, yet ??....
You may like to correct if for them.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=2353&iid=RG14_31711...

I see Joseph Hale was born at Nailbridge, home of wellknown Builders Merchants, I can still recall their "cute" little (blue & yellow?) delivery lorries in the area in the 70s and my family still buy from them after 180 years trading !. For my sins I've only just found and read this very interesting History of the family on this site, I see Joseph was indeed descended from this prosperous blacksmiths business so that maybe explains his high literacy & workshop skills, he's described as "known throughout his life as a good Christian man who never ate a meal without giving thanks". It goes on to say "In 1887 Joseph married Elizabeth Baldwin. They had five sons and five daughters. The eldest son, George, was to marry Emily Grace Howell and by that marriage they had three sons. One of the sons, Stanley became the Registrar for the Forest of Dean." Dorothy doesn't get a mention, sadly.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Stories_Articles/The_History_of_the_Hale_Family...

I do hope this is of help and thanks again for the happy tale with a sad ending, if only it was just a story...
Jeff.

UPDATE !
apologies for repeating the same 1911 Census post as made earlier, didnt realise until I'd done it as I foolishly hadnt read the full thread. I hope the link to the Ancestry census page works ?, it does for me but that maybe cos my pc is just "remembering" it from looking earlier, cookies et al ?.

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