Elijah & Jane Herbert - 1851 Census (General)

by jimashton , Saturday, May 12, 2012, 13:04 (4571 days ago) @ Jefff

As Jean has said, she (nor I)can find proof for the death of Elijah Herbert, but the actual 1851 Census entry for Jane Herbert nee Baglin widow of Elijah Herbert actually shows her as a widow :

1851 Census East Dean Gloucestershire
HO107, piece 1959, folio 113, page 43, GSU roll 87359
Address: Ruardean Hill
Jane Herbert Head Widow occ: Charwoman age 37 born abt 1814 West Dean Glouc
Eleanor Herbert Dau age 10 born abt 1841 East Dean
Lydia Herbert Dau age 8 born abt 1843 East Dean*
Elijah Herbert Son age 2 born abt 1849 East Dean
Thomas Herbert Son age 1 born abt 1850 East Dean

1861 Census East Dean
RG9, piece 1755, folio 55, page 24, GSU roll 542863
Address: Paragon East Dean
Jane Herbert Head Widow occ: Charwoman age 45 born abt 1816 West Dean Glouc
Elijah Herbert Son age 13 born abt 1848 East Dean Glouc
Levina Herbert Dau occ: Domestic Servant age 20 born abt 1841 East Dean Glouc
Thomas Herbert Son age 11 born abt 1850 East Dean Glouc

I have tried to trace another Elijah Herbert alive in 1851 who might have been awaiting transportation. I have the transcribed version of the 1851 Census for Gloucestershire which is searcheable by name and location, I have just searched for a. n. other Elijah Herbert and none could be found. The Elijah guilty of sheep stealing could have been on his way to Australia by then however. It is also possible that he might have been declared as dead to the enumerator in 1851, it being easier than stating that her husband had been transported.

Jane Herbert nee Baglin, then appears with her daughter Lavinia who married George Dobbs :

1871 Census Flaxley Cinderford Gloucestershire
RG10, piece 2603, folio 35, page 33, GSU roll 835278
Address: 2 Abbey Street Flaxley Gloucestershire
George Dobbs Head occ: Collier age 30 born abt 1841 Weston Herefordshire
Levinia Dobbs Wife age 31 born abt 1840 East Dean
Rachel Dobbs Dau age 6 born abt 1865 Flaxley Gloucestershire
Emma J Dobbs Dau age 2 born abt 1869 Flaxley Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Dobbs Dau age 1 month born abt 1871 Flaxley Gloucestershire
Alfred Messenger Lodger occ: Laborer age 21 born abt 1850 South Cerney? Gloucester
Benjamin Hall Lodger occ: Collier age 17 born abt 1854 English Bicknor Gloucestershire
Jane Herbert Mother-in-Law age 60 born abt 1811 West Dean Gloucestershire

Jane not shown with George Dobbs in 1881.

1891 Census Cinderford
RG12 2006/168
George Dobbs 50 Sanitary Works Labourer Herefordshire
Lavinia 49 Glos
George 25 Agent for Singers Cinderford
Herbert J 13 Apprentice Iron Foundry Cinderford
Frank A 7 Cinderford
Jane Herbert 74 mother in law Mid Wife Berry Hill

1901 Census East Dean
Geo Dobbs abt 1841 Herefordshire, Labourer
Lavinia Dobbs abt 1842 Cinderford,Wife
Frank A Dobbs abt 1883 Cinderford, Son
Jane Herbert abt 1816 Berry Hill Coleford, Mother-in-law
Doris Howells abt 1899 Cinderford, Granddaughter
John Gough abt 1878 Cinderford, Boarder

To carry on the Marfell interest, George Dobbs & Lavinia nee Herbert's son Frank Albert 1884 married Amy Elizabeth Marfell 1879 on 1 Feb 1909. The 1911 Census entry for Frank Albert Dobbs, shows that his mother Lavinia Herbert was deceased, with George being a widower.

Jim Ashton