Hi

I have James Wright m Ann Freeman in 1853 at Newland, unfortuantely there are no father's name for either of them.

I have not found anything conclusive for James in 1841 or 1851-

I know that Ann had a son Thomas before she married James- Thomas was born c 1852 and is in a school for deaf and dumb in 1861 - RG9 1724 39 3
In 1871 he is an apprentice back in Newland RG10 5298 37 27.
In 1881 he is with his mother Ann at High Nash RG11 5223 38 25- Ann gives her birthplace at this time as Abergavenny.

I can't find anything definite for Ann in 1841 or 1851-

I found a birth on the IGI for a Tom Owen Freeman at Monmouth (although on each census his birthplace is put as Coleford), with only the mother named - Ann Freeman- Could this be my Ann?

How on earth will I find them without father's names on marriage cert?

Any thoughts/ideas appreciated.

Thanks

Simone x

1841 Stow /Ellwood /Clearwell area
Thomas Wright abt 1797 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Jane Wright abt 1798 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Eliza Wright abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Mary Wright abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
James Wright abt 1800 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire

1851 Clearwell
James Weight abt 1801 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Uncle Newland Gloucestershire

Year 1853
Month Jan
Day 13
Groom Surname WRIGHT
Groom Forename(s) James
Groom Age at Marriage 40
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession Labourer
Groom Residence Clearwell
Groom Father's Surname [not stated]
Groom Father's Forename(s) [not stated]
Groom Father's Rank or Profession [not stated]

Bride Surname FREEMAN
Bride Forename(s) Ann
Bride Age at Marriage 23
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession [not stated]
Bride Residence Whitecliff
Bride Father's Surname [not stated]
Bride Father's Forename(s) [not stated]
Bride Father's Rank or Profession [not stated]
Licence or Banns Banns

1861
James Wright abt 1805 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Ann Wright abt 1831 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Hannah Wright abt 1855 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Mary Wright abt 1858 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire

1871 Clearwell
James Wright abt 1837 [1807] West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire
Ann Wright abt 1832 Abersychan[Abergavenny ?], Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newland Gloucestershire
Hannah Wright abt 1856 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire
Mary Wright abt 1859 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland Gloucestershire

Year 1876
Month Jun
Day 11
Surname WRIGHT
Forename(s) James
Place of Residence Clearwell
Age at death 79
Officiating Minister H. L Parry Vicar
Event Burial

1881 High Nash Cottage
Ann Wright abt 1833 Abergavenny, Monmouth, Wales Head Newland Gloucestershire
Thomas Freeman abt 1852 Monmouth, Wales Son Newland Gloucestershire

1891 High Nash
Ann Wright abt 1830 N Head Newland Gloucestershire

If the Abersychan is correct in 1871 then you might expect here to be recorded in Trevethan ( Pontypool) Monmouthshire

If the Abergavenny is correct then Llanfoist is a possibility as well.

Thanks for your help Slowhands-

There is an Ann'e' Freeman b 1829 at Llanfoist to William and Elizabeth -

Will have a dig around with what you have found for me and try and tie something up.

Wonder why they didn't mention father's names on marriage? So frustrating!

Thanks again

Simone x

Hi Slowhands

Do the burial registers give informant information or would I have to get certificate for this?

Thanks

Simone x

* When and Where Died
* Name and Surname
* Sex
* Age
* Occupation
* Cause of Death
* Signature, description and residence of informant
* When Registered
* Signature of Registrar

DEATH CERTIFICATES

Deaths must be registered within five days unless the Coroner is involved.

They provide the family historian with less information than either Birth or
Marriage certificates, but they are useful, especially in helping to "round off"
the story of an ancestor's life.

Thanks for that Dave

I was just hoping that the burial registers would give informant also- trying to avoid sending for the cert!

Simone x

Hi
I now have a copy of a baptism Tom Owen Freeman, Feb 1852, born to Anne, (with an 'e') Freeman, no father named. Residence is given as Union Monmouth.

I believe that this is very likely Thomas Freeman b 1852 as listed on the census, detailed later on this post.

I'm hopeless at Geography! Given the Ann Freeman's found on census at Abergavenny & Llanfoist, is the workhouse in the right area? Trying to track down which is the most plausible Ann /Anne on the 1851 census.

Thanks

Simone x

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Abergavenny/Abergavenny.shtml
The Workhouse, Union Road, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire. NP7 7RL.