Summary of MARSHALL ? BURNS ? BARNES ? WARD - Joyford etc

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http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=9994

Ok so far?

2 more threads apart from this one

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=9870

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=8789-

I have baptisms from this site- all illegitimate to Phoebe Marshallb c 1791
George Marshall b 1819
Charles Marshall b 1822
Ann Marshall - b 1826
Thomas Marshall b 1829
Elizabeth Marshall b 1823

All these children name John Burns/Byrne as father on their marriages after 1841.

George is down as Marshal on 1851 census, but Charles already down as Ward?
HO107; Piece: 2444; Folio: 328 at Joyford
Charles Ward 29 Labourer
Charlott Ward 24
Eliza Ward 2
George Ward 4

There is a baptism on IGI for a Phebe Marshal to John and Hannah in 1791 at Westbury on Trym, but may not be her. (Seems to have been quite a common name through time in the Forest)

Phebe Marshall has married John Barnes in 1839 at Flaxley, Phoebe's father is John, mason.
She is living with brother Benjamin, b 1809, in 1861 and he states at marriage that his father is John, mason.

Benjamin's baptism on this site says Benjamin Barnett, mother Phebe, no father named, but on IGI it is Benjamin Barnett Marshall, mother Phoebe Marshall, both at Hope Mansell.

Could Benjamin have been Phoebe's son but her father and mother brought him up as theirs, so that is why he named John, a mason, as his father on marriage cert, (I have this situation with a descendant of this family, Phoebe's great granddaugher who was brought up as a sister of her own mother) Just an idea!

There will be other bits I have missed out here from the other threads but thibk these are main points.

And still can't find them in 1841!!

Simone x

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Year: 1846
Month: Aug
Day: 29

Groom Surname: WARD
Groom Forenames: Charles
Groom Age at Marriage: 24
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Collier
Groom Residence: Christchurch
Groom Father's Surname: Burns
Groom Father's Forenames: John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer

Bride Surname: HALE
Bride Forenames: Charlotte
Bride Age at Marriage: 20
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Christchurch
Bride Father's Surname: Hale
Bride Father's Forenames: George
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Collier

Licence or Banns: [not stated]
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both mark
Witness 1: Mark of Joseph Cooper
Witness 2: Mark of Lucy Cooper
Other witnesses: None
Officiating Minister: Thos R Garnsey
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda: -
Transcriber's Notes: -
Register Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page No: 13
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1851 Joyford
John Barnes abt 1810 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Barnes abt 1805 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Barnes abt 1835 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Thomas abt 1834 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1851 Joyford
Charles Ward abt 1822 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlott Ward abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Ward t abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Ward abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1854
Month: Jun
Day: 18
Parents Surname: WARD (MARSHALL)
Child Forenames: Cornelius
Father's Forenames: Charles
Mother's Forenames: Charlotte
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Joyford
Occupation: Laborer
Officiating Minister: W.H. Taylor
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page No: 56
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1861
Charles Ward abt 1822 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Ward abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Cornelious Ward abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Ward abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Ward abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Phebe Ward abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
Charles Ward abt 1822 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Ward abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alum Ward abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Cornelius Ward abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Ward abt 1857 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Phoebe Ward abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Ward abt 1865 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Charles Ward abt 1822 Joyford, Gloucestershire, England Head English Bicknor, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Ward abt 1826 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Wife English Bicknor, Gloucestershire
Cornelius Ward abt 1855 Joyford, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor, Gloucestershire
Elam Ward abt 1869 Joyford, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor, Gloucestershire
Eliza Ward abt 1857 Joyford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor, Gloucestershire
Thomas Ward abt 1866 Joyford, Gloucestershire, England Son English Bicknor, Gloucestershire
Phoebe Butler abt 1853 Joyford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter English Bicknor, Gloucestershire

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Year: 1810
Month: Sep
Day: 16
Parents Surname: BOURNES
Child Forenames: John
Father's Forenames: John
Mother's Forenames: Elizabeth
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating Minister:
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P138 in 1/4
Page No: 27
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Year: 1841
Month: May
Day: 13

Groom Surname: BARNES
Groom Forenames: John
Groom Age at Marriage: Full
Groom condition: Batchelor [s
Groom Rank or Profession: Labourer
Groom Residence: Joyford
Groom Father's Surname: Barnes
Groom Father's Forenames: John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer

Bride Surname: THOMAS
Bride Forenames: Sarah
Bride Age at Marriage: Full
Bride Condition: Widow
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Joyford
Bride Father's Surname: Hornblower
Bride Father's Forenames: Richard
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer

Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns: [not stated]
Signature or Mark: Both sign
Witness 1: Richard Hornblower
Witness 2: Charlotte Griffiths
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Frederick Stonhouse Curate
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/7
Page No: 18
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

1861
John Bourne abt 1811 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Bourne abt 1804 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Bourne abt 1839 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
John Barnes abt 1811 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Barnes abt 1804 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1884
Month: Nov
Day: 15
Surname: BOURNES
Forenames: John
Place of Residence: Joyford
Age at death: 74
Officiating Minister: C.Barnes Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause of death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: PFC82 IN 1/14
Page No: 70
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

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Thanks Slowhands :)

Going back to Benjamin, son of Phoebe Marshall, I wonder if the name Barnettcould have been Phoebe's acknowlegement of the father, John Barnes.
Phoebe was a spinster when she married John Barnes, so maybe she had a longstanding affair with him and had all those children to him. Perhaps her parents offered to bring him up as their own. Benjamin could have been the first, although there is a gap between him and the others, maybe there were more?
Do I sould like I've read too many novels! :)

Simone X

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that was my thought yesterday too !

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Great, thanks Slowhands:)

I thought it possible he may be her son and thought the names were very coincidentally similar, but it just occured to me why a bit earlier today!!

Sorry if I'm a bit slow on the uptake!! Brain's becoming fuzzed up with this family!

Simone x :)

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Brain's becoming fuzzed up with this family!

It has ( and continues to) throw up challenges ! :-)

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The John Barnes/Bourne/Burns born 1810 in West Dean is not the one who married Phoebe - that was his father born 1767.

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Yes thanks Gill:) we have John born 1767 married to Phoebe.

I think Slowhands put that family down to show that John had a son b 1810 to his first wife? or maybe he is a member of extended family?

Correct me if I'm wrong Slowhands! :)

Simone x

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correct to show that a John and Elizabeth B had a son in 1810.

it looks like another piece of the puzzle, but may not be !

which pushed me in the direction of How Caple / Holme Lacy, Herefordshire
the otherside of Ross..

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JOHN BARNES
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH HERRING Family
Marriage: 30 NOV 1796 Little Birch, Hereford, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M137721 1557 - 1837 1040327 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

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This is the 1851 Census entry:
Piece Folio SchNo Town Surname Forename Relatn Marr Age Occupation County Place
2444 0328 028 Joyford WARD Charles HD M 29 Laborer GLS West Dean
2444 0328 028 Joyford WARD Charlott WI M 24 - GLS West Dean
2444 0328 028 Joyford WARD George SO - 4 - GLS West Dean
2444 0328 028 Joyford WARD Eliza DA - 2 - GLS West Dean

This is the baptism for George born 1847:
Year: 1847
Month: Nov
Day: 7
Parents Surname: WARD
Child Forenames: George
Father's Forenames: Charles
Mother's Forenames: Charlotte
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Berry Hill
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating Minister: J Banks Perp[etual] Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page No: 12
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

This would appear to be Eliza's baptism:

Year: 1848
Month: Aug
Day: 25
Parents Surname: BYRNE
Child Forenames: Eliza
Father's Forenames: Charles
Mother's Forenames: Charlotte
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Joyford's Hill (Berry Hill)
Occupation: Woodcutter
Officiating Minister: J. Banks M.A. Perpetual Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page No: 17
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

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Wish they'd make their minds up Mike!! lol

Simone x

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I agree. And here is another:

Year: 1850
Month: Sep
Day: 13
Parents Surname: BURN
Child Forenames: Lucy
Father's Forenames: Charles
Mother's Forenames: Charlotte
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Joyford
Occupation: Wood Cutter
Officiating Minister: J Banks Perp[etual] Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page No: 31
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Year: 1850
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Surname: WARD
Forenames: Lucy
Place of Residence: Joyford
Age at death: 4 months
Officiating Minister: Tho: O: Tudor B.A. Curate
Event: Burial
Cause of death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P82 IN 1/13
Page No: 30
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

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