Forest of Dean FHT Forum - John MILES born Newland c 1836

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

mjcrowley — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:23:53 +0000

I know this is an old post, but I have just identified the two girls on the census. They are the daughters of William and Phoebe's oldest daughter Elizabeth. There is a marriage record for Elizabeth Miles and Thomas Beck on FindMyPast 13 Sep 1835 Newington St Mary. Then we have the following records from FamilySearch:
Name: Mary Ann Beck
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 Oct 1835
Christening Place: ALL SOULS,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 24 Sep 1835
Father's Name: Thomas Beck
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05391-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 580892, 580893

Name: Phoebe Beck
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 17 May 1838
Christening Place: RENFREW ROAD WORKHOUSE,LAMBETH,SURREY,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Thomas Beck
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06979-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 254505

Mary Ann was born less than 2 weeks after the wedding and Phoebe was christened in a Workhouse. In the 1841 census, Elizabeth is with her aunt Elizabeth (Yerworth or Yarworth) in Gravesend Kent and is mentioned in her aunt's will in 1844. There is a transcrition on-line of the will. I have also found Phoebe Beck aged 12 in the 1851 census living with two aunts Mrs Sarah Harnden and Ann Maria Miles (The FindMyPast transcription is Sarah Hartsden and Phoebe Buk, but the image confimrms this is Phoebe). If these two girls are Elizabeth's, then I wonder if John Miles is also her son.

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

bmitchell — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:39:55 +0000

Thanks for your reply.

We have records that show that my husband's grandfather and his siblings were all born in Forest 0f Dean and that his g grandfather John lived and died in England. It could be that your John and our John were related in some way though. I think there must have been quite a few families with the surname Miles living in the Forest area.

Thanks again

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

kiwi connection — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:45:52 +0000

Hello maybe your husband and I share the same Great Grandfather.John Miles immigrated to N.Z in the 1860's,where he was a farmer and had eight children,in an area called Fernside,north of Christchurch,New Zealand,perhaps this is the same John Miles?

MILES Euginie (reply)

bmitchell — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:17:30 +0000

Thanks very much!

MILES Euginie (reply)

dink999 — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:22:43 +0000

Looks like this could be her

Births Dec 1883

MILES Eugenia Monmouth Vol 11a Page 28

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

bmitchell — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:46:13 +0000

Hi Don

Sorry for delay in replying. I have so far been unable to trace a birth registration or baptism for Eugenie Miles. She appears on the 1891 census,aged 6 years, with her Grandfather John and his sons and daughters. I have looked through the bmd registers from 1884 - 1886 without any luck. I assume she is the illegitimate daughter of Mary Elizabeth. If I do find out anything new I'll let you know.

Best wishes

Barbara

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

Don Cameron — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:18:49 +0000

Oh...one thing I forgot to ask is about Eugenia or Eugenie M. E. MILES - do you know her middle names, and can you tell me anything about her parents?

Cheers,

Don Cameron

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

Don Cameron — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:00:10 +0000

Sorry that I've not been in contact - anyway, I'm still working on the KEEDWELL line - but will get back to you when I have them all sorted out. You might be able to fill in the missing bits. Thanks for the kind offer by the way.

Cheers,

Don Cameron.

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

bmitchell — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:31:22 +0000

Hi Don

I have Emily Evans Miles and Charles Keedwell on our tree, my husband's grandfather (James Edward) was the youngest child of John and Emma. You may already know that the eldest child of John and Emma, Mary Elizabeth, married Thomas Keedwell 30 July 1889.

I have looked on the census for the John Miles from Blakeney that you mention and have found one that seems to fit. He is living with parents John and Sarah on the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census and then with his spouse Betsy from 1871 -1901. I think I might have to accept that our John is going to be one of those dead ends that we sometimes come up against.

Let me know if you would like any of the info I have on John and Emma's children.

Many thanks

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

Don Cameron — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:08:23 +0000

I am right at this moment researching Emily Evans MILES daughter of John MILES and Emma MILES nee WHERRETT. Emily married my cousin Charles KEEDWELL at Clearwell, in 1891. Although I can't help with the question you ask, as it baffled me as to the date and place of birth of John MILES, as he gives Newland as his place of birth in census returns, but I've not been able to find an entry for him in the FOD database. In all probability the IGI entry for John MILES at Blakeney 1836, father John MILES and Sarah (BLANCH) is the same person.

Cheers

Don Cameron.

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

bmitchell — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:29:16 +0000

Thanks

I did wonder about the possibility of William and Phebe being John's Grandparents but being referred to as nephew on the 1841,1851 and 1861 made me abandon that idea, perhaps I should reconsider it.

I hadn't given any thought to the two little girls who appear on the census with John, I'll see if I can find out any more about them, like you say they could provide a lead.

Many thanks

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

bmitchell — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:16:06 +0000

Thanks ChrisW

It had crossed my mind that William and Phebe would have been more of an age to be Grandparents than Uncle/Aunt. Thanks for the info on William's burial, I have a copy of William's will but that hasn't helped solve my puzzle.

Thanks again

BMitchell

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:13:22 +0000

The alternative is that he is a Nephew to Henry ( 1851 census) making William and Phoebe his grandparents.

In which case he could be a child of a son to William and Phoebe , an illegitimate son to a daughter...
In 1841 there are two BEACH children living at PerryGrove farm I wonder if they are siblings to John ?

1841 Perry Grove
William Miles abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Phobe Miles abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza Miles abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
John Miles abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Phobe Miles abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Thomas Miles abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
William Miles abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
M Ann Bech abt 1837 Newland, Gloucestershire
Phobe Bech abt 1839 Newland, Gloucestershire

1851 Court Farm Clearwell
Henery Miles abt 1814 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Phebe Miles abt 1786 Newfield, Gloucestershire, England Mother Newland, Gloucestershire
Phebe Miles abt 1822 Newfield, Gloucestershire, England Sister Newland, Gloucesters
James Miles abt 1823 Newfield, Gloucestershire, England Brother Newland, Gloucestershire
John Miles abt 1836 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Newland, Gloucestershire

1861 Perry Grove
Phobe Miles abt 1785 Crickhowel, Breconshire, Wales Head Newland, Gloucestershire
John Miles abt 1837 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1870
Month: Jan
Day: 10
Surname: MILES
Forenames: Phoebe
Residence: Ore Pool
Age_at_death: 87
Officiating_Minister: Herbert Mather
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: relict of William Miles
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 170
Parish_Chapel: Newland

John MILES born Newland c 1836 (reply)

ChrisW — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:37:02 +0000

I've got to think about this one! William Miles died in 1842 at the age of 67, which seems a bit old to have a five year old nephew? But not necessarily!

Record_ID: 130784
Entry_Number: 2069
Year: 1842
Month: May
Day: 13
Surname: MILES
Forenames: William
Residence: Perrygrove
Age_at_death: Years 67
Officiating_Minister: T[heophilus] Morgan Off[ciaitin]g Minister
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/16
Page_No: 259
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: M420

John MILES born Newland c 1836

bmitchell — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:49:36 +0000

I am trying to trace the parents and/or any other ancestors/relatives of my husband's G Grandfather John Miles. John appears as nephew to William and Phebe Miles on the census from 1841 to 1861 at Perrygrove. On the 1871 census he is farming at Perrygrove with his wife Emma (Wherrett) and children.

I have been unable to find a baptism that might be John, I am guessing that he may have been the illegitimate child of a relative of William and Phebe, just wondered if anyone had any other ideas or info on this family.

Many thanks.