If the official certificate was made out in a Registrars Office, and the parish record separately in the church, then maybe there is some truth in the fact that she really was the wife of a Thomas Burgham but we are no nearer to establishing who she was. If on the other hand they were done at the same time, or copied from a note with the wrong information for example, then the error may have been purely clerical.

I am convinced that she wasn't the wife of the Thomas Burgham who owned along with James Davies the foundry in Upper Redbrook.

As far as he is concerned, he definitely had two wives, Esther Knight who he married at Newland on the 21st July 1816, and who was buried at Newland on 17th November 1833,and then Harriet Weare who he married on the 11th January, 1836, also at Newland and she was most certainly his wife when she was present at the death of Sarah in 1847. Harriet lived until 1879 and is also buried at Newland in the same grave as Thomas on the north side of the church where it can be seen today. The gravestone records both names, although her's is more difficult to decipher. The stone at the foot has the letters H B.

Thomas' continued presence in Upper Redbrook is born out by the various census's from 1841 to 1881. There is also a handwritten letter from him dated 1864 and written from Redbrook Iron Foundry concerning the quality of the ore that he was using. This can be found at Gloucester Record Office in the file containing Dr Hart's notes on the Forest. His Will which was written in 1850 also states quite clearly that he came from Redbrook.

One of the problems in sorting out the Burgham history is that there are too many Thomas's who married a Sarah!! One of those was a Sarah Howell at Linton, another a Partridge at Lydney - but the first was buried at Aston Ingham in 1829 and the other at Newland in 1833.

Where Thomas came from is unclear, but that is another story and full of guesses!!

30319
Entry_Number: 3
Year: 1847
Month: Jan
Day: 7
Surname: BURGHAM
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Redbrook
Age_at_death: 26
Officiating_Minister: G. Ridout Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Wife of Thomas Burgham
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 1
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: B625

Assume the burial record 23 December 1851, Thomas BURGHAM of Redbrook age 33 is him. Could Sarah have been his second wife?

there is a marriage FreeBDM - Hereford 1844

Thomas BURGHAM and there is a Sarah JONES

Church of Latter Day Saints

Marriage at All Saints, Hereford, 1844

Thomas BURGHAM (Groom's father name: Thomas BURGHAM) to

Sarah JONES (Bride's father name: Timothy JONES)

which could tie up with

baptism at Littledean - 18 March 1821

Sarah JONES, parents Timothy & Mary - residence hundred of St Briaveles

I am sending photos of both graves to FOD.

One interesting thing is that they are both the same shape.

We need to rethink who was the other Sarah.

Hope this helps.

Brian Burgham

Excuse this intrusion but my interest in this is that my wife and I are the current owners of a large part of the Burgham Foundry site (Upper Furnace)and we often get members of the family calling by. I think the one you need to draw in is Brian Burgham who is a member of this site and who I know has been responsible for past threads. I'm surprised he hasn't responded but he could well be on holiday.

I presume you have picked up that the Burgahams were also brewers here as well - Arthur Burgham (known locally as 'Father Burgham') was the last. There are also another unconnected Burgham family of Founders who operated on the Lyd above Lydney.

I'll e-mail Brian in the morning and alert him.

Cheers

Vurrister

Baptism at Newland -29 April 1821

BURGESS - Sarah

Father's Forename: Thomas

Mother's Forename : Esther

Residence: Redbrook

Occupation: Labourer

Officiating Minster : P M Procter - Vicar

Notes: In this record a surname was not clear so the best guess was given

Baptism at Newland 13 December 1818

Thomas - son of Thomas (Shearer) and Esther BURGUM

1841 Census Newland, Upper Redbrook

Thomas BURGHAM - 20 Moulder
Mary - 25 - Dressmaker

FOD records

Burial at Newland - 31 May 1842

Mary Ann BURGAM age 27 years, wife of Thomas

I have a death cert for Sarah Burghum of Redbrook in 1847, aged 26 which agrees with the 1821 baptism, and with Harriett as informant. However, Sarah is described as the wife of Thomas Burgham, ironfounder. I think she may be his daughter, not wife, so am looking for confirmation that she is the daughter of Thomas and Esther. If this is the case, and Harriett is her stepmother, she is not the same Sarah "Bingham" that married Moses Hawkins in 1856.

Sparkie.

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=23068

Looking at my Gloucestershire Baptism CD

Newland All Saints

BURGUM Sarah - 29 April 1821

Thomas (labourer) & Esther

residence: Redbrook

1841 Census, Newland

Upper Redbrook

BANGHAM

Thomas - 45 Iron Founder - born in County
Harriet - 35
Sarah - 20
John - 15 - Moulder
Henry - 10
James - 2

(some siblings have parents Thomas & Esther - then later on Thomas & Harriet)

FOD records: Burial at Newland 17 November 1833

Esther BURGHAM - aged 35 years - of Redbrook, wife of Thomas

Marriage at St Briavels - 11 January 1836 -

Thomas BURGHAM (Wdr) of Newland, married Harriett WEARE - witnesses: Richd MORGAN & Charlotte WEARE

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1851 Census, Newland
Upper Redbrook

BURGHAM

Thomas - 56 - Iron Founder, born Newland
Harriet - 46 - born Rofs, Herefordshire
Henry - 23 - Moulder, all born Newland
Lydia - 19
Edwin - 14
James Alfred - 12
William - 8

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1861 Census, Newland
Upper Redbrook

Moses HAWKINS - married 40 - labourer, all born Newland
Sarah - 40
James - 10
George - 2 and a third

1851 Census, Newland
Upper Redbrook

Moses HAWKINS - married - 30 labourer
Elizabeth - 23
Eliza - 2
James -?months

I wonder if someone with access to the Newland registers could check 2 entries:

1. Baptism of Sarah Burghum/Burgum etc 29 April 1821. I would like to verify her parents/father's names, and think she may have been mis-transcribed.

2. Marriage of Sarah Bingham to Moses Hawkins, 28 Oct 1856. I think this may be Sarah Burgham (as in FreeBMD), and again would like to verify her parents or father's name.

Many thanks.