Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Abia & William "PARKER"

Abia & William "PARKER" (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:52:01 +0000

Oh my goodness youve been so busy thanks every so much i will go over this information very slowly, many thanks Slowhands for your time:-)

Some obvious follow up questions ...

Is Emmanual SIMMONS == William PARKER ?

no evidence of a marriage for Abia and William PARKER (so far)
Emanual and William are of similar age, on census data
no evidence for a William PARKER death record (So far)

Abia and William PARKER ( a few more clues) (reply)

rachael21 — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 10:00:12 +0000

Thanks, very skint over the last year cannot aford certificates i did buy a few but i got it wrong. Thanks for your advice i just keep on looking im ok finding the family over the years in the census, but im now at the beginning of the census.

Many thanks
Regards
Rachael21

Abia STEVENS - "PARKER"/ "SIMMONS" (reply)

rachael21 — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 09:53:41 +0000

Oh my goodness youve been so busy thanks every so much i will go over this information very slowly, many thanks Slowhands for your time:-)

Abia STEVENS - "PARKER"/ "SIMMONS" (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 06:45:15 +0000

there are several challenges here, i.e.Hannah "PARKER" 1834 and sister Abia "PARKER" born approx 1841 Drybrook and Philip "PARKER" born approx 1838 Drybrook

The more I look into this the I suspect a change of marriages rather than a simple single union.

So it looks increasing like Abi PARKER (senior) is in fact Bia STEVENS/STEPHENS ? -

Year: 1809
Month: Feb
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: SYMONS
Child_Forenames: Emanuel
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

Year: 1830
Month: Dec
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: SYMONDS
Grooms_Forenames: Emanuel
Grooms_Age: [not
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: STEVENS
Brides_Forenames: Bia
Brides_Age: [not
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William White
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Morson
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry C Davies AB Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 27
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell

Year 1832
Month Jan
Day 15
Parents Surname SYMONS
Child Forenames Joseph
Fathers Forenames Emanuel
Mothers Forenames Bia
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruardean Hill
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 115
Parish Chapel Drybrook

Year 1834
Month Jan
Day 6
Parents Surname SYMONS
Child Forenames Hannah
Fathers Forenames Emanuel
Mothers Forenames Bia
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruardean Hill
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 135
Parish Chapel Drybrook

Year 1837
Month Dec
Day 24
Parents Surname SIMMONS
Child Forenames Philip
Fathers Forenames Emanuel
Mothers Forenames Bia
Mothers Surname
Residence Drybrook
Occupation Collier
Officiating Minister H. Berkin
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/1
Page Number 178
Parish Chapel Drybrook

This looks like them in South Wales in 1841 - Llanover is a few miles north of Pontypool so fits with 1881 census below.

1841
Emanuel Simon abt 1816 Llanover Upper, Monmouthshire
Alice [ABIA] Simon abt 1815 Llanover Upper,
Alia Simon abt 1833 Llanover Upper,
Ann Simon abt 1840 Llanover Upper,
Joseph Simon abt 1832 Llanover Upper,
Phillip Simon abt 1838 Llanover Upper,

Now to add to my "gut feel" there is a marriage which I strongly suspect is Abia 1841 PARKER/SIMMONS :-

1861
Abiah Parker abt 1811 St Brawels He??[HUNDRED], Gloucestershire, England Head Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Abiah Parker abt 1841 Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Kingswinford
Louisa Parker abt 1845 Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Daughter
Ephraim Parker abt 1851 Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Son
Hiram Parker abt 1853 Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Son
Rebecca Parker abt 1855 Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Daughter
Susan Parker abt 1860 Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Daughter

MANN John
SIMMONS Obia
1863 Rowley Regis, St Giles
Sandwell Register Office, West Midlands

Name: Obi[a] Simmons & John Mann
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1863
Registration district: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6c
Page Number: 1__ [150?]

1871
John Mann 28
Abia Mann 30 Gloucestershire
Sushannah Mann 12
Emily Mann 6
William Mann 5
John T Mann 1
John Mann 70

1881
John Mann abt 1843 Dumbleton Head Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Abia Mann abt 1841 Pontepool Wife Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Susana Mann abt 1859 Yardsley Daughter Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Emily Mann abt 1865 Rowley Regis Daughter Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
William Mann abt 1866 Rowley Regis Son Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Edith Mann abt 1868 Rowley Regis Daughter Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
John Mann abt 1870 Rowley Regis Son Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Ellen Mann abt 1873 Rowley Regis Daughter Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Esther Mann abt 1874 Rowley Regis Daughter Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Charles Mann abt 1876 Rowley Regis Son Rowley Regis, Staffordshire

1891
John Mann abt 1843 N, Lindridge Head Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Abia Mann abt 1841 Dean Forest, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
John Ths Mann abt 1870 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Son Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Charles Mann abt 1876 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Son Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Edith Mann abt 1878 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Daughter Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Violet Mann abt 1882 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Daughter Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Andrew Mann abt 1882 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Son Rowley Regis, Staffordshire

1901
John Mann abt 1843 Nk, Shropshire, England Head Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Abia Mann abt 1842 South Wales, Nk Wife Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Florence Mann abt 1873 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Daughter Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Charles Mann abt 1876 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Son Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Violet Mann abt 1882 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Daughter Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Andrew Mann abt 1882 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England Son Rowley Regis, Staffordshire

Name: Abia Mann
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1910
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 4

1911 6 Tipton Road Tividale Post Office
John Mann 68
Andrew Mann 29
Ellen Florence Mann 39

Abia and William PARKER ( a few more clues) (reply)

Jefff — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 00:03:56 +0000

Hi,
did you followup MPG's suggestion in earlier post, namely ?

"West Midlands BDM - have Hiram/Ephraim & Louisa PARKER's birth records (Kingswinford) - these obviously would give the mother's maiden name."
http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/births.php

Abia and William PARKER ( a few more clues) (reply)

rachael21 — Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:52:11 +0000

Im still really stuck trying to find marriage for abia born 1811 ST Briavels Hound i know she married William Parker how do i find out Abias maiden name ive been stuck on this for many years, thanks everyone for your time thank you. Ive most likely posted this on the wrong page. thanks

Abia and William PARKER ( a few more clues) (reply)

rachael21 — Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:44:42 +0000

Thanks ever so much for your help :-)

Abia PARKER 1810- 1892 & 1871 and 1891 census detail (reply)

rachael21 — Mon, 30 May 2011 18:38:41 +0000

Thank you Everyone, for this information on the Parker Family. You have all been very helpful thank you.

Abia PARKER 1810- 1892 & 1871 and 1891 census detail (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 26 May 2011 21:37:11 +0000

1871 Kingswinford, High St Wordley

Alice Parker 61 Widow
Eppraim Parker 21
Hiram Parker 18
Rebecca Parker 16

1891
Ephram Parker abt 1849 Wordsley, Staffordshire, England Head Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Abia Parker abt 1804 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Mother Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Rebecca Webb abt 1854 Wordsley, Staffordshire, England Sister Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Agnes Parker abt 1878 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Alfred Parker abt 1879 Wordsley, Staffordshire, England Son Kingswinford, Staffordshire

Name: Abi_ Parker
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1892
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Stourbridge
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 103

PARKER- 1861 & 1881 census + West Midlands BDM (reply)

m p griffiths — Thu, 26 May 2011 19:34:56 +0000

Church of Latter Day Saints

Christening- 30 May 1843

Louisa PARKER - parents William & Abia

Kingswinford & St Mary's Chapelry - Stafford

also Slyvia - 20 June 1845

1861 Census, Staffs, Kingswinford

High Street

Parker

Abiah - age 50 married - born Glos. St Briavels
Abiah - 20 - born Drybrook
Louisa - 16 - all born Kingswinford
Ephraim - 10
Hiram 8 (Freebdm - A/M/J Qtr 1852, Stourbridge District - which covers Kingswinford)
Rebecca -6
Susan - 6

West Midlands BDM - have Hiram/Ephraim & Louisa PARKER's birth records (Kingswinford) - these obviously would give the mother's maiden name.

http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/births.php

1881 Census -

Park View, Whittington, Derby

PARKER

Hiram - 28 - Coremaker (Pottery) - born Wordsley, Stafford
Harriet - 22 - Barrow Hill, Derby
William - 1 born New Whittington, Derby
Jesse - 3m - born ditto

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Public Members Tree on Ancestry : Hannah PARKER, (1841 census) married Joshua BANNISTER, 26 December 1853, at Wordsley

1881 Census, Staffordshire, Kingswinford

High Street. Wordsley

Abiah PARKER - 72, Char woman, born Forest of Dean
Ephraim PARKER - 31 - labourer in Iron Works, born Staffs, Wordsley

Abia and William PARKER ( a few more clues) (reply)

slowhands — Thu, 26 May 2011 19:07:18 +0000

a Non conformist family ?

1851 Wordsley Green
William Parker abt 1810 Forest of Dains, Gloucestershire, England Head Kingswinford, Staffordshire Coalminer
Abia Parker abt 1811 Forest of Dains, Gloucestershire, England Wife Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Hannah Parker abt 1832 Forest of Dains, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Philipp Parker abt 1838 Forest of Dains, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Ephraim Parker abt 1839 Forest of Dains, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Alice [ABIA] Parker abt 1841 Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Daughter Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Luesia Parker abt 1844 Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Daughter Kingswinford, Staffordshire

Abia and William Parker

rachael21 — Thu, 26 May 2011 18:50:42 +0000

Im looking for any information regarding Abia parker Born ab 1811 Forest of Dean her husband was William Parker born ab 1810 Forest of Dean, i can find them on the 1851 Census, location then was Stourbridge Union Kingswinford. I would like any information about them, thank you everyone.

Regards Rachael