Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Lydney Seaman / Mariner

Lydney Seaman / Mariner (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:27:53 +0000

My "Opinion" is that they would have sailed the coastal waters - perhaps around to Swansea, down to Cornwall, maybe further. It is possible that they sailed greater distances, and/or deeper waters....

James WHITE 1798 - 1859 Lydney (reply)

unknown — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:24:17 +0000

Thanks for the reply, I have already looked at the records you mention and really just wanted another opinion. All the other replies seem to have gone onto other families while I am just really interested in the White family. It is difficult to be sure that you have the right connections as there are so many White families in that area. As you obviously are something of an expert of the Forest of Dean, I wonder if you could help me with another query. James is shown on various documents as a Waterman and Mariner and his eldest son, Richard, is shown on one census as a Seaman. Do you know whether these terms refer to what we would call a deep sea sailor or just someone who travelled on the Severn between perhaps Lydney and Bristol. Are there any records of such people anywhere that I could look at? Unfortunately, all my research has to be done by the internet as I do not live in the UK now. Many thanks for your help,

Elaine

STEPHENS of Lydney (reply)

mrsbruso — Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:18:47 +0000

Still wondering where "my" Richard appeared from. There is no clear record of him before he and his wife Sarah bury a daughter, Mary, at Awre in 1745. They baptise my g...grandmother (another Mary) and her sister Elizabeth at Blakeney Chapel in 1746 and 1749 respectively. Sarah died and was buried at Awre in 1754, and in 1756 Richard marries Mary Lovell, also of Awre parish. Mary (Lovell) Stephens died in 1772, buried at Awre, Richard (of FOD) dies in 1805, aged 81.

The Stephens family seems fairly well anchored in Lydney . . .and it was a parish used by extra parochial FOD folks as well . . .but I can't seem to find a link between my Richard and any other Stephens group.

He would have been a contemporary of your Henry's father. We know the Wickendon's and the Clarke's end up as neighbors in the next generation, so perhaps there is a link there somewhere?

STEPHENS of Lydney (reply)

m p griffiths — Sun, 21 Aug 2011 05:57:08 +0000

These are 'my' STEPHENS from Lydney

Children of Henry & Elizabeth

Susannah - 26 March 1752 (died - 30 August 1752)

Henry - 17 August 1759

William - 9 July 1755

Anne - 25 September 1757 (my x Grandmother) - married John WICKENDEN at Lydney - 9 April 1777 (witness Henry STEPHENS)

Elizabeth - 17 August 1759

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There is a marriage at Newland 21 May 1750

Henry STEPHENS married Elizabeth JAMES

(two Wills of a Henry STEPHENS - Lydney - on Gloucestershire Records Office Database - 1794 and 1800 - in the process of ordering these)

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1841 Census, Lydney

William STEPHENS - 80 Ag Lab. born in County

1851 Census, Lydney

William STEPHENS - Lodger, Widower, age 90 - born Lydney

could well be him as the WICKENDEN male line live 'til their late 80's and my Uncle died late 90's

William Stephens (reply)

mrsbruso — Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:39:10 +0000

Hi, MP

Do you know when your William was born, or who is parents were?

Thanks.

John & Elizabeth WHITE + MEALING + YEMM (reply)

m p griffiths — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:58:37 +0000

When James WHITE married Harriet ROBINS in 1819, one witness was Elizabeth WHITE (also Wm STEPHENS) - I'll have to see if this is my STEPHENS from Lydney, as Anne STEPHENS married William WICKENDEN in Lydney 9 April 1777 - and she had a brother William born 1755) - and I can see a Williams STEPHENS WHITE christened in Lydney in 1815

1841 Census, Lydney

Elizabeth WHITE, 45
Susannah - 15
John - 3

Susannah WHITE christened 27 January 1828, Lydney, parents John & Elizabeth

Using the Advance Search children of John and Elizabeth/Elizth/Elisabeth - there are quite a few children from 1820 when John was a labourer, and from 1831 onwards John is a Waterman

Ann 1824
Eleanor - 1820
Elizabeth - 1826
John - 1831
Martha - 1832
Mary - 1832
Paulina - 1821 + Names crops up later....
Richard - 1833

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Richard & Hester WHITE, had a Son, John christened 11 October 1795 at Lydney

and there is a marriage at Newland - 13 April 1818 between John WHITE and Elizabeth JORDAN - one witness was James WHITE

Using the Advance Search

Richard & Hester WHITE, had children, David, 1788, James 1798, William 1804, Susannah - 1804 and Thomas 1807

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1861 Census, Monmouthshire (difficult to read)
Newport St Woollos

1 Blewitt Street

Richard MEALING (transcibed as) - age 36, Mason, all born Sydney, Gloucestershire
Susan MEALING, wife - 35
John WHITE, 65 - Seamen M.S. (Wife's father)
Elisabeth WHITE - 65 - (Wife's mother)
Thomas WILLIAMS, Lodger

FOD records

Marriage at Chepstow - 21 February 1850

Richard MEALING, full age, Batchelor and Mason of this Parish

father: Robert MEALING, Mason

marrried

Susan WHITE, of full age, Spinster, Servant of this Parish

father: John WHITE, Mariner

by banns

witnesses: Wm Edward LEWIS and Paulina HADFIELD

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They are on the 1851 Census, in Cheptow, Richard was born in Glos. Pucklechurch and Susan (transcribed as Luran) MEALING

1851 Census, Monmouthshire Chapel Hill

John WHITE, 56- Master Mariner, born Glos. St Briavels
Elizabeth WHITE, 55 - born Lydbrook
John YEAM, Grandson, Iron Roller, age 14 - born Lydney (think this is YEMM)

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If you look at Gloucestershire BDM - births YEMM - mother's maiden name WHITE

John - 1838 - Chepstow, Lydney
+ Paulina - 1844 - Newnham (family name from 1821)
Benjamin - 1847 - Newnham

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1851 Census, West Dean

YEMM

George - 33 - Collier, born West Dean
Ellen - 33 - born Lydney (? Eleanor christened 1820) - parents John & Elizabeth
George - 11 - born Tredagar Wales
Paulina - 6
Benjamin - 4
David - 1

1841 Census, Lydney

Ester WHITE - age 70 - not born in County
possible living with a family called SHIPPARD (transcribed as)

? FOD records

Burial at Lydney - 23 October 1842, Hester WHITE : age 87

James WHITE 1798 - 1859 Lydney (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:05:12 +0000

seems to fit

Year: 1787
Month: Jul
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: WHITE
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: DAVIS
Brides_Forenames: Esther
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 20th 27th June 1
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: W[illia]m Burrows
Witness_2: William White
Other_Witnesses: John Davis
Officiating_Minister: Morgan Evans Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Sunday
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Year: 1798
Month: Jul
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: WHITE
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Esther
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Wm. Jones Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 69
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Year: 1824
Month: Sep
Day: 29
Surname: WHITE
Forenames: Richard
Residence: Lidney
Age_at_death: 57
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m. Jones
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/11
Page_No: 48
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

1841
James White abt 1797 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire mariner
Harriet White abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Richard White abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Caroline White abt 1825 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
William White abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Hester White abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Eliza White abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Charles White abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire

1841
Ester White abt 1771 Lydney, Gloucestershire
Elie Shippard abt 1801 Lydney, Gloucestershire
Ester Shippard abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Thomas Shippard abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
George Shippard abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Shippard abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Charles Shippard abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
John Shippard abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire

Year: 1842
Month: Oct
Day: 23
Surname: WHITE
Forenames: Hester
Residence: Lydney
Age_at_death: 87
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/11
Page_No: 124
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

1851
James White abt 1800 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire Coal Shipper
Harriet White abt 1803 Yorkley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Esther White Jabt 1833 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Eliza White abt 1837 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Charles White abt 1840 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Caroline Goulding abt 1826 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Joshua Goulding abt 1845 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Lydney, Gloucestershire
Angelina Goulding abt 1847 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Richard Goulding abt 1849 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Lydney, Gloucestershire
Charles Goulding abt 1850 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Lydney, Gloucestershire

Year: 1859
Month: Oct
Day: 11
Surname: WHITE
Forenames: James
Residence: Lydney
Age_at_death: years 62
Officiating_Minister: G.J.Cholmondeley Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/12
Page_No: 22
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Looking for parents of James WHITE married in 1819

unknown — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:18:15 +0000

My GG Grandfather was James White. He married Harriet Robins in Lydney Parish Church on 19th December 1819. His parents names are not shown on the marriage record but I think he was the son of Richard White and Esther and baptised in Lydney on 8th July 1798. James occupation is shown on census forms as Waterman/Mariner. Does anyone have any knowledge of the family, I would really like to take my family back further if possible.