Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Fanny BROWN - born Monmouthshire Union, Mthr. Mary Ann BROWN

Fanny BROWN - born Monmouthshire Union, Mthr. Mary Ann BROWN (reply)

karencoupe123 — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 20:39:23 +0000

oopps sorry!

Fanny HALE 1847 Barn Hill / Lane End (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:49:54 +0000

1871
Thomas Hale 55
Dianna Hale 57
Helen Hale 18
Tom Hale 15
Jane Evans 21
Thomas O Keane 4

1861 Barn Hill
Thomas Hale abt 1816 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Dina Hale abt 1814 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Hale abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henny Hale abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Susan Hale abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Fanny Hale abt 1848 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Hale abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ellen Hale abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Hale abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1851 Barn Hill
Thomas Hale abt 1816 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Dianna Hale abt 1814 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A Hale abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Hale abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Susan Hale abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Fanny Hale abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Hale abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1847
Month: Jun
Day: 13
Parents_Surname: HALE
Child_Forenames: Fanny
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Diana
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lane End
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Rich[ar]d Davies Off[iciating] Min[iste]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Mary Ann BROWN 1870 Lane End { and Geo. HALE connection} (reply)

slowhands — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:20:15 +0000

1881 Lane End
George Hale abt 1837 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Hale abt 1839 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Brown abt 1837 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A. Brown abt 1870 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Brown abt 1872 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Brown abt 1878 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1877
Month: Jul
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: BROWN
Child_Forenames: Sophia Dinah
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Fanny
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lane End
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: W.H. Taylor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 84
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Year: 1877
Month: May
Day: 7
Surname: BROWN
Forenames: Fanny
Residence: Woodgate
Age_at_death: 29
Officiating_Minister: W.H.Taylor
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/14
Page_No: 38
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1871 Berry Hill
George Brown 34
Fanny Brown 23
Maryann Brown 1

Year: 1866
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: BROWN
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age: 29
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Berry Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brown
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: HALE
Brides_Forenames: Fanny
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Berry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hale
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: C. Stockham
Witness_2: Mark of Sarah Morse
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 171
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1861
William York abt 1811 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Sophia York abt 1807 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
George Brown abt 1837 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Stepson Newland, Gloucestershire
Thomas Brown abt 1837 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Stepson Newland, Gloucestershire
Eliza Brown abt 1841 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Stepdaughter Newland, Gloucestershire
William Brown abt 1847 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Stepson Newland, Gloucestershire
Hannah Thomas abt 1791 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1853
Month: May
Day: 28
Grooms_Surname: EVANS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: Full Age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Berry Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Evans
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: BROWN
Brides_Forenames: Sophia
Brides_Age: Full Age
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Berry Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Elley
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: C. Stockham
Witness_2: Elizabeth Kilby
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Ralph C. Morton Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: Newland

1851
Sophia Brown abt 1807 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland,
James Brown abt 1829 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland,
George Brown abt 1836 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland,
Hamer Brown abt 1841 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland,
Elizabeth Brown abt 1840 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland,
William Brown abt 1846 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland,

Year: 1827
Month: Feb
Day: 26
Grooms_Surname: BROWN
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: St Briavels Hundred
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: ELLEY
Brides_Forenames: Sophia
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: St Briavels Hundred
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: John Elley
Witness_2: Jane Elley
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth

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1861
Thomas Hale abt 1795 West Dean Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Hale abt 1805 West Dean Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Hale abt 1838 West Dean Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Hale abt 1856 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean, Gloucestershire

1851 Lane End
Thomas Haleabt 1793 Land End, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, G
Ann Hale abt 1802 Land End, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean,
Thos Hale abt 1829 Land End, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean,
Eliza Hale abt 1831 Land End, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean,
Henry Hale abt 1835 Land End, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean,
George Hale abt 1838 Land End, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean,
Mary Hale abt 1840 Land End, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean,

1841
Thomas Hale abt 1794 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Hale abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Thomas Hale abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hale abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Henry Hale abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Hale abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
May Hale abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest,

Fanny BROWN - born Monmouthshire Union, Mthr. Mary Ann BROWN (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:01:00 +0000

If you re-look at my message - On the 1891 census, Fanny BROWN age 7 months is being nursed by Elizabeth HAROBIN - who had a daughter Fanny age 5 on the 1881 census, I gave you.

Frederick BROWN c1889 (IVINS + previous thread) (reply)

karencoupe123 — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:39:14 +0000

hello,

thanks again for all of the information.

VERY much appreciated.

Karen.

Fanny BROWN - born Monmouthshire Union, Mthr. Mary Ann BROWN (reply)

karencoupe123 — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:37:44 +0000

Hi,
thanks so much for the info. i have been told that Fanny could well of been born in the Monmouthshire Workhouse so that information ties up well.

Im not sure that the 1881 census though can be the Fanny im looking for as she was born in 1890 so would not be on the 1881 census. however i do now know that the 1911 census is correct as an elderly relative/decendant of Frederick and Fanny has told me that Fanny did stay with the Hyett's.

again though, thank you for your help.

Frederick BROWN c1889 (IVINS + previous thread) (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:32:20 +0000

1911 Census, Five Acres, Coleford
4 rooms

BROWN

Edwin, age 65, Coal Miner (Repairing) Widower, married 38 years - 9 children born alive, 1 dead, born West Dean Coleford
Bessie, daughter, unmarried age 29 - Housekeeper
Frederick - 22 - Coal Miner Trammer (Traming)
Edwin - 19 - Coal Miner Hewer

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1901 Census, West Dean Monmouthshire, Coleford
Mile End

BROWN

Edwin - 52 - Coal Miner Hewer, born West Dean
Susanna - 49 - born Tidenham
Margret - 16 - Draper Asst
Frederick 12
Edwin 9
Kate 6
Harry BROWN, brother age 14 - single - Coal Miner, own Account

1891 Census, Lane End

BROWN

Edwin - 43
Susannah - 39
Thomas - 17
Bessie - 11
Margaret - 6
Frederic - 2
Harry BROWN, nephew - 31

1881 Census, Glos West Dean, Edge End

BROWN

Susanna - 29
Fanny - 9
Thomas E - 7
Ellen - 5
Bessie - 1

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1871 Census, West Dean
Carters Piece & Anchorberry

Edwin BROWN - 23 - Collier, born West Dean - so c 1848
Susannah - 19 - born Tidenham
Sarah Jane HALL - Niece, age 8, born Staffordshire Walsall

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Gloucestershire BDM

Edwin BROWN married Susanna IVINS, Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Register Office 1870

previous thread

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=10043#p10043

Fanny BROWN - born Monmouthshire Union, Mthr. Mary Ann BROWN (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:27:28 +0000

Looking at Ancestry and death Index - Fanny Sophia BROWN's birth date is given as 11 September 1890. - died June 1989 Gloucester.

1891 Census , Coleford
Bakers Hill

Elizabeth HAROBIN (? transcribed as) age 56, Charwomen, born Newland, Glos. (nee MORGAN married Geroge HORROBIN)
Lizzie, daughter single, 22 - born Newland, Glos.
Fanny BROWN - child at Nurse, 7 months - born Monmouthshire Union

?did Fanny's mother 'die in infancy' - hence having a 'wet nurse'?

May be Monmouthshire Union records would give some answers

previous thread re: Monmouthshire Union Births

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=22289#p22321

and under the Monmouthshire, Births - Section 17 11 September 1890

Mother : Mary Ann BROWN, admitted : Newland - female - 1st illegitimate

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1881 Census, West Dean

Elizabeth HOROBIN - 46
Samuel - Son - 25 - born Newland
George - 23
Maria - 18
Lizzie - 12
Fanny - 5

next door is a HALE family Inc. George HALE, age 4

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1911 Census, Monmouthshire, West Dean
Broadwell Lane End

Tom Henry HYETT - age 44 - married 20 years, 7 children born alive, 2 dead - Crown Woodman, born West Dean
Sophia HYETT - age 46
Thomas HYETT - son - age 18 - labourer
William HYETT - son - age 14
Rose Annie HYETT - daughter - 10 attending school
Kathleen Mary HYETT - daughter - 7 - born West Dean Nr Coleford
Fanny BROWN, visitor, 20 - single born West Dean Nr Coleford

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Gloucestershire BDM

Tom Henry HYETT married Sophia TRIGG, Gloucester Register Office - 1892

When Fanny Sophia BROWN married Frederick BROWN in Coleford - 19 August 1911

One witness was Eva E MOUNTFORD, born Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Eva was working as a Servant to the Rev. George A M Wynne, (who married Fanny) on the 1911 census, and living at Baker's Hill Coleford.

Eva married the 'other witness' Henry A HAVILAND at Coleford, 23 December 1912.

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Fanny Sophia BROWN 1890

karencoupe123 — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:15:57 +0000

Can anyone help me with any information on Fanny Sophia Brown born abt 1890 i beleive in West Dean. She married Frederick Brown on August 19th 1911. her mother was called Mary Ann (surname??). Baptisim transcript only gives mother name Mary Ann, no fathers name. the marriage transcript for Fanny says at the bottom:-
Memoranda: (Brides Father) Adopted M[text missing] died in infancy. can anyone explain what this means to me please? is the mentioned brides fathers name of Geo Haile her biological father did he adopt Fanny?
thanks in advance.
karen

Year:

1911

Month:

Aug

Day:

Grooms_Surname:

BROWN

Grooms_Forenames:

Frederick

Grooms_Age:

Groom_Condition:

Bachelor

Grooms_Occupation:

Collier

Grooms_Residence:

Mile End Coleford

Grooms_Fathers_Surname:

Brown

Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:

Edwin

Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:

Collier

Brides_Surname:

BROWN

Brides_Forenames:

Fanny Sophia

Brides_Age:

Brides_Condition:

Spinster

Brides_Occupation:

[not stated]

Brides_Residence:

Mile End Coleford

Brides_Fathers_Surname:

Haile

Brides_Fathers_Forenames:

Geo[text missing]

Brides_Fathers_Occupation:

Collier

Licence_or_Banns:

Banns

Date_of_Banns:

Signature_or_Mark:

Both sign

Witness_1:

Henry A Haviland

Witness_2:

Eva E Mountford

Other_Witnesses:

Officiating_Minister:

George A M Wynne Rector of Staunton

Event:

Marriage

Memoranda:

(Brides Father) Adopted M[text missing] died in infancy

Notes:

Register_Reference:

P93 IN 1/12

Page_Number:

Parish_Chapel:

Coleford