Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Marriage Mystery

Marriage Mystery (reply)

gphelps5 — Sun, 27 Aug 2017 18:35:34 +0000

I have just been completing some research in English Bicknor and I pleased to say that Oliver is my Great Grand Uncle (my Granddad is Albert Ernest and Oliver is his Uncle).

I have a fare amount of detail about Oliver family but I do not have a Sarah Phelps in that line, would you mind me asking where you fit in the tree?

Thank you
Graham, Son of Don, Son of Albert

Ann TEAGUE b1820 Tibberton & Family, Tibberton Methodists. (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 12 Mar 2013 03:43:53 +0000

I found the above post by Jean Herbert only after stumbling across this Tibberton Methodist Church website while researching the GWR "Daffodil Line" from another thread ! I hope that makes sense, I'd like to think it's good lateral-thinking research but in fact just chance of course. Anyhow, the abovementioned bride Ann Teague is a daughter of William Teague the Carpenter whose subsequent rich family history is detailed within this very interesting & highly recommended site.

http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/Tibberton%20MChistory.htm

This goes onto discuss his son Charles Teague, carpenter, Ann's elder brother. It's pleasing to see Charles was a witness at Ann's marriage, given that he's a committed abstainer and she's marrying a wine merchant !.
The site moves on to Charles' son Charles Palmer Teague who is clearly a man of considerable skill & endeavour who - "in addition to being a carpenter, wheelwright, farm waggon maker and builder was a part time farmer, the village undertaker and a coal dealer - keeping wagons built by the Gloucester Railway Carriage & Wagon Company at his yard at nearby Barber's Bridge station on the Great Western "Daffodil" line". Wow !

Both men were lifelong dedicated members of Tibberton Methodist Church, which I'd like to think and am positive helped these and other family members to live very long lives indeed and seemingly contribute so much to their local community.

From this FoD FH site just some of the related PRs are;
(Ann's parents)
Record_ID: 17045
Entry_Number: 12
Year: 1818
Month: Jan
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: TEAGUE
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Tibberton
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Ann Smith
Witness_2: Job Billingham
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W Beale Curate of Newent
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P326 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 4
Parish_Chapel: Taynton
Soundex_Groom: T200
Soundex_Bride: S530

Record_ID: 85330
Entry_Number: 54
Year: 1820
Month: Aug
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: TEAGUE
Child_Forenames: Ann
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Tibberton
Occupation: Carpenter
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Bushell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P332 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 7
Parish_Chapel: Tibberton
Soundex: T200

Marriage Mystery (reply)

sarah phelps — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:51:41 +0000

You are correct. The tibberton marriage in 1847 is not in my tree. There is no William Phelps in my tree that is what I was referring to.

The James in Hillersland born in 1816 is, he married Ann Watkins in 1852.

Marriage Mystery (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:35:22 +0000

I'm confused now (!)

James Phelps 1816 Hillersland is the father of the Oliver in the base note / Marriage mystery - or am I wildly out here ?

The Tibberton James Phelps marriage is not in the tree so to speak

Marriage Mystery (reply)

sarah phelps — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:24:07 +0000

Many thanks Jean.

This is not a memebr of my Phelps line. I have traced my Phelps's right back to 1640 in English Bicknor and a Richard Phelps. English Bicknor is where they originated from and then spread generally in the direction of Lydbrook.

Oliver's marriage is the only piece of the puzzle I am missing.

Thanks
Sarah

Marriage - James PHELPS 1816 Hillersland (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:11:31 +0000

Year: 1812
Month: Dec
Day: 31
Grooms_Surname: PHELPS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MORGAN
Brides_Forenames: Margaret
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: living on land adjoining this Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: see memoranda
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William Jones
Witness_2: Richard Terrett
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Seager
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: I whose name is subsribed do certify that banns of marriage between James Phelps & Margaret Morgan & between John Niblett & Jane Boughton (whose marriages are entered in the registers) were each duly published respectively in this Church of English Bickno
Notes: Banns are in P138 IN 1/7 page 115
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 81
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

Year: 1816
Month: Apr
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: PHELPS
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hillersland
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: P.M. Procter
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1841 Hillersland
Margaret Phelps abt 1781 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Phelps abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851 ?
James Phelps abt 1817 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean, Gloucestershire

and a possible marriage

Name:Ann Watkins
Name: James Phelps
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 75

1861
James Philps abt 1815 Hillers Land, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Philps abt 1832 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Philps abt 1854 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Oliver Philps abt 1856 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lizzy Philps abt 1858 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mathew W H Philps abt 1860 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
James Phelps 54
Ann Phelps 38
Alfred James Phelps 16
Lizzie Phelps 12
Matthew Phelps 10
Leonard Phelps 8
Arthur Phelps 2

1881
James Phelps abt 1821 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Phelps abt 1823 Monmouth, Wales Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Leonard Phelps abt 1863 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Arthur Phelps abt 1870 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Phelps abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Phelps abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
James Phelps abt 1816 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Phelps abt 1832 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Arthur Phelps abt 1869 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Phelps abt 1871 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Phelps abt 1873 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Marriage Mystery (reply)

Jean Herbert — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:27:34 +0000

I am interested in this thread as Phelps is one of my main lines of research. At present this particular Phelps in unknown to me but I would be interested in tracing this branch.
When trying to trace the parents of James Phelps, married to an Ann and father of Oliver, I came across a marriage record. (On this site). I am not certain that this is the correct marriage, perhaps Sarah Phelps or Slowhands can confirm or deny the record. If Sarah would like details of my Phelps line please send pm. Regards Jean Herbert.
Transcript Details

Record_ID: 27156
Entry_Number: 25
Year: 1847
Month: Dec
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: PHELPS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 0
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Asst to Wine Merchant
Grooms_Residence: Gloucester
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Phelps
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Brides_Surname: TEAGUE
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: 0
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Tibberton
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Teague
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Carpenter
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Charles Teague
Witness_2: Harriett Teague
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Wm Bushell Rector
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P332 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: Tibberton

Marriage Mystery - no more ! (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:23:40 +0000

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Is where I would order a copy certificate from using the references in my earlier reply :-)

Name: Oliver Phelps
name :Martha Jones
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 66

It "feels" like a non-conformist family...

PHELPS Oliver
JONES Martha
Forest of Dean
Monmouth Register Office
1878 11 50

Marriage Mystery - no more ! (reply)

sarah phelps — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:56:36 +0000

Many thanks for the extra fast response....Even though the district is Monmouth, would the actual certificate be at Gloucester reg. office

Marriage Mystery - no more ! Oliver PHELPS 1856 Lydbrook (reply)

slowhands — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:52:21 +0000

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Year: 1856
Month: Aug
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: PHELPS
Child_Forenames: Oliver
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Upper Lydbrook
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Frederick Freeman
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: 20811
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook

1871
Oliver Phelps abt 1857 Lydbrock, Gloucestershire, England Visitor East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Oliver Phelps abt 1857 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Phelps abt 1858 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sidney T. Phelps abt 1879 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia A. Phelps East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Oliver Phelpsabt 1857 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Phelps abt 1858 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
James S Phelps abt 1879 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia A Phelps abt 1881 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ethel I Phelps abt 1883 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Catherine M Phelps abt 1884 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Oliver S Phelps abt 1887 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Phelps abt 1889 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Margret Phelps abt 1890 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
Oliver Phelps abt 1857 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Martha Phelps abt 1858 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Kate Phelps abt 1884 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Stanley Phelps abt 1887 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Alfred Phelps abt 1890 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire

Marriage Mystery

sarah phelps — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:50:42 +0000

Can anyone shed any light on why I can't seem to find my ancestors marriage. It was for an Oliver Phelps to a Martha Ann Jones in 1878 . I have it on good information that it happened in Monmouth, Gloucestershire. They both born in and lived in Lydbrook, Gloucestershire. I know there are some issues with the registration district for these areas as they are close to border with Wales.

Any help locating it would be great.
Thanks

s.phelps