Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Hester Grafton & King Charles, Oswestry - Frampton by river.

Hester Grafton & King Charles, Oswestry - Frampton by river. (reply)

vix — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 09:18:48 +0000

Thanks Jefff, as you can see from the original posting date this has been a frustrating sticking point for nearly ten years now! I revisit every now and again to see if anything new has been added anywhere. Thanks also for the links, interesting to see how busy the Severn was.

Hester Grafton & King Charles, Oswestry - Frampton by river. (reply)

Jefff — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 01:56:25 +0000

Hi Vix, welcome back.
As you'll know Oswestry is about 19 miles from Shrewsbury, which like Frampton is on the River Severn. It's entirely possible if not likely that someone born in Oswestry could reach Shrewsbury in half a day by horseback, and could then travel south by river to Frampton in another day or two. In those days rivers and the first canals were the UK's main transport arteries, far quicker and easier than using roads.

This website, as just one example, states that Severn traffic was at it's highest in the mid 1700s, with 100,000 tons of coal being shipped every year, for example - ships as large as 40 tons could navigate upstream to Shrewsbury.

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/canal-and-river-network/river-severn...

Apparently in the mid 1700s the Severn was the SECOND ! busiest river in Europe - at a guess I suspect the busiest of all was the Rhine ?.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/shropshire/content/articles/2008/09/26/river_severn_feature.shtml

In thse days the river was busy with hundreds of Severn trows, quite literally the equivalent in size of a modern 40 ton artic truck.
https://www.severntales.co.uk/coracle.html

Hoping this helps, J

Hester Grafton & King Charles (reply)

vix — Mon, 25 Feb 2019 22:54:58 +0000

Still stuck on the mysterious Hester Grafton. I've found a birth for one in Oswestry in 1797 which would make her a similar age to King Charles but not sure how likely movement from there to Frampton would be. Does anyone else have these make an appearance in their trees?

Hester Grafton & King Charles (reply)

vix — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 21:57:57 +0000

Just wondered if anyone had come across any GRAFTON family? I'm still unable to find a birth, although it would be about 1804 as death record in 1834 gives age as 30.

Hester Grafton & King Charles (reply)

vix — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:49:54 +0000

Thanks to all. I am still trying to find some birth details for Hester Grafton, if anyonne knows anything, that would be brilliant. On her marriage record she was living in Frampton.

Hester Grafton & King Charles (reply)

Paul Andrews — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:37:55 +0000

'On the transcription of the Charles/Grafton marriage on this site, it states that they were married with? parents consent. So I presume she was a minor, and therefore born after 1800?'

I have a marriage in 1833 by J H Malpas at Awre where it states 'with the Consent of Parents'. The man was born 1791, his father died 1816 and his mother 1808. The woman was born 1787. I wouldn't call this pair minors!
Before Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753 there was no lower legal age of marriage, except during the 1650s when it was sixteen for 'men' and fourteen for 'women'. In 1753 it was fixed at fourteen for men and twelve for women, and remained at those ages until the Age of Marriage Act in 1929, which raised it to sixteen for both.

Hester Grafton & King Charles (reply)

ChrisW — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:06:40 +0000

On the transcription of the Charles/Grafton marriage on this site, it states that they married with parents? consent. So I presume she was a minor, and therefore born after 1800?

Record_ID: 99730
Entry_Number:
Year: 1822
Month: May
Day: 26
Grooms_Surname: CHARLES
Grooms_Forenames: King
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Eastington
Grooms_Residence:
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GRAFTON
Brides_Forenames: Hester
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Frampton
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Mary Hall marked
Witness_2: Giles Griffin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Thos Evans curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: parents?consent
Notes:
Register_Reference: P149 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Frampton on Severn
Soundex_Groom: C642
Soundex_Bride: G613

I found Hester Grafton's born in Berkeley, Dursley, Slimbridge & Stinchcombe. Annoyingly they were all too old!

Hester GRAFTON & King CHARLES 1796-1870, Frampton on Severn (reply)

slowhands — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:45:26 +0000

KING CHARLES
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 28 FEB 1796 Frampton On Severn, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN CHARLES
Mother: ANN
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C028361 1787 - 1812 0425416 Film 6900596 Film
Sheet: 00

KING CHARLES
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Marriages:
Spouse: ANN DAVIS
Marriage: 11 OCT 1835 Frampton On Severn, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M028361 1769 - 1882 0855691 Film 6900134 Film
Sheet: 00

KING CHARLES
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Marriages:
Spouse: HESTER GRAFTON
Marriage: 26 MAY 1822 Frampton On Severn, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
----------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M028361 1769 - 1882 0855691 Film 6900134 Film
Sheet: 00

Year: 1870
Month: Mar
Day: 24
Surname: CHARLES
Forenames: King
Residence: Eastington
Age_at_death: 74
Officiating_Minister: F St John
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P149 IN 1/12
Page_No: 24
Parish_Chapel: Frampton on Severn

Hester Grafton & King Charles (reply)

m p griffiths — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:23:27 +0000

If you look at the IGI Batch Numbers for Gloucestershire, and then Frampton Upon Severn, some of children's parents are King and Esther CHARLES - then King CHARLES and Anne Nee DAVIS whom he married 15 October 1837 in Frampton Upon Severn (same day as the christening of Emma)

1841 Census Frampton on Severn

King CHARLES - 40 Labourer, (all the family born in County)
Ann - 27
George - 12
Thomas - 10
Eliza - 8 - 18 February 1833, King CHARLES and Esther
Emma - 4 - 15 October 1837, King CHARLES and Anne
William - 1

1851 Census, Glos, Eastington, Haresfield, District 5a

King CHARLES - Widr - 56 - Wheelwright (all born Frampton on Severn)
Eliza - dau - 18
Emma - dau - 13
William - Son - 11
Sophia - dau - 6
Martha - dau - 4
Edwin - Son 2

1861 Census, Frampton on Severn, District 6

King CHARLES - Widw - 66 - Labourer, (all born Frampton on Severn)
William - 22
Martha - 16
Edwin - 12

King CHARLES death - Jan/Feb/March 1870 birth c1793

One of the witnesses at King CHARLES first marriage was Giles GRIFFIN

Pallots Marriage Index for England has a Giles GRIFFIN who married Charlotte HARNER 1795 Frampton Upon Severn

Hester Grafton & King Charles

vix — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:51:03 +0000

I am trying to find out about Hester Grafton and King Charles who married on 26th May 1822 in Frampton on Severn.
I believe that King Charles was baptised on 28th Feb 1796 at Frampton, although am currently unable to confirm this.
I have no other information about Hester Grafton.
Any help would be appreciated!