slowhands

Many thanks for your reply. I have a couple of questions.

What is the source of these records and what are the references at the end of each record (ie 2 122, 2 429)?

Thanks again

Jim Davis

The numbers are a reference to the Register/book and the entry in that register.

The source is
Gloucestershire BMD Indexes at http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

Thanks for the clarification.

It reminds me of a story several years ago when I was working with a company in the the London area. We had some material we desperately needed here in states and were going to fly it into Atlanta from Gatwick. But bad weather in the Atlanta area had temporarily closed the airport there. Seeking alternate routes, I got a call from a counterpart in London who joyously announced that he had arranged to have it flown into Houston, where "you can drive over and pick it up". I responded that it was a nice effort but the driving time to Houston is two days. "Oh", he responded, "back to the drawing board." He thought that if he could just get it into the country the rest would be easy. The vastness of the US is so much in contrast to the geography in Europe. Neither of us really appreciates the difference and how it can effect so many things.

So I take your point that 20/25 miles can make a big difference in your area.

Jim

As Slowhands has stated this is a Forest of Dean forum/site, so about 15 miles southwest of Gloucester city and the opposite side of the city/county from your research area by the look of it. Hence not really our area of knowledge/records. I realsie this may seem odd given the vastness of North America but altho only 25 or so miles away the Forest of Dean is a world away from the Cotswolds in so many ways.

Another VERY strongly-recommended website which should help you get to know an area of the UK, especially from a C19th viewpoint, is the excellent Genuki site which mixes genealogy with local geography & history, I often use it.

eg for Temple Guiting
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/GuitingTemple/Gaz1868.html

This site has a huge amount of useful information about a given area, plus good guidelines wrt the boundaries of the various local government registration districts as they were thro the years, eg Temple Guiting & Winchcombes here
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/north%20cotswold.html

Do hope they help you further, both these extensive websites will probably help you enormously given thorough study, good luck !.

PS re the church this may be of interest
http://www.britainexpress.com/counties/glouces/churches/Temple-Guiting.htm

As you are well aware, each little lead or suggestion or idea can sometimes lead to very little, but once in a while they open the door to some really great finds. Your links will be checked out.

Thanks again.

Jim

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=35296
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=34654

Many thanks for your reply. I have a couple of questions.

You said
Name: Mary Norton & William Hait
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1839
Registration district: Winchcomb
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 11
Page Number: 559
STAIT William
NORTON Mary
North Cotswolds Temple Guiting St Mary
1839 1 10

The last line is 1839 1 10. What is this reference? I have a copy of their marriage certificate dated 13 Aug 1839, so it is not their marriage date.

The marriage certificate indicates the wedding was at the "Church of T. Guiting". Would this have been St. Mary's Church?

You also listed the following:

STAITE William
STAITE NORTON
1841 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 2 122

STAITE George
STAITE NORTON
1844 North Cotswolds Stow-on-the-Wold, Bourton-on-the-Water 2 420

STAITE Lucy A
STAITE NORTON
1849 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 5 85

What is the source of these records and what are the references at the end of each record (ie 2 122, 2 429)?

Sorry if I am asking things that should be obvious but I am a yank, who has been researching my family in the US and Canada, and now that I am starting to expand into Europe I find a whole different set of sources, websites, terms, etc. It can be a bit intimidating to us beginners :-)

Thanks again

Jim Davis

This is the 1911 Census, Wiltshire, Crowdy's Hill, Upper Stratton, Swindon

George STAITE - 58 - born Guitings, Glos
Mary - 53
Percy - 21
Walter - 18 - (Walter Charles STAITE) - born Blunsdon, Wiltshire) - who lived in this house until his death.
Florence - 14
Ernest - 11

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Ironically, many, many years ago, my late Dad borrowed (or was given?) from our neighbour Walter Charles STAITE a Saw - stamped W S STAITE - which Walter used when he was working in the Great Western Railways - this Saw (made by Rye & Co of New Swindon) never went back - because it's in our garage with my husband's tools.

I am researching the William Stait(e) family from the Gloucester area. The information I presently have is:

William Stait (Jr.) b. 7 Apr, 1813 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England occupation: farmer
Parents William Staite b. abt 1786 England d. before 1861 occupation: farmer
Lucy (Cook) Stait b. 1783 Toddington, Gloucestershire d. 20 Feb, 1868 Gretton, Winchcombe
William and Lucy married 17 Jan, 1814 Toddington (it appears they were married after two children were born)

William (Jr.) married
Mary Norton b. abt 1818 England d. abt. 1852 Canada
Parents: George Norton ????? Mary ??????

William (Jr) and Mary Norton married 13 Aug 1839 North Cotswold, Temple Guiting, Gloucestershire

William and Mary's children (4 born in England)
William b. 14 Feb 1841 Cheltenham, Winchcombe, Gloucestershire d. 17 Jan 1929 Ontario Canada
George b. Gloucestershire d. ?? Canada
Thomas b. 1845 England d. Canada
Lucy Ann b. 1849 Cheltenham, Winchcombe d. Canada

In 1851 the entire family immigrated to Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

I am located in North Carolina USA and would be very interested in exchanging information with anyone interested.

Any suggestions of resources to research for further info will be greatly appreciated.

Jim Davis

This appears to be an East Gloucestershire / Cotswolds family , without any FoD roots.

A discusion of this is on going at :-
http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php/74544-Stait-family-Gloucester/page3

Toddington church
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/49560

toddington map
http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SP0332

Name: Mary Norton & William Hait
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1839
Registration district: Winchcomb
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 11
Page Number: 559

STAIT William
NORTON Mary
North Cotswolds Temple Guiting St Mary
1839 1 10

St Mary's Church at Temple G
http://www.achurchnearyou.com/temple-guiting-st-mary/

image of churchyard
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2221123

map
http://www.geograph.org.uk/showmap.php?gridref=SP091278

STAITE William
STAITE NORTON
1841 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 2 122

STAITE George
STAITE NORTON
1844 North Cotswolds Stow-on-the-Wold, Bourton-on-the-Water 2 420

STAITE Lucy A
STAITE NORTON
1849 Cheltenham Winchcombe, Guiting 5 85

Not sure whether there are any Forest of Dean connections which this forum is all about , but already your information seems a little bit incorrect from the Gloucestershire CD's I have. If you click my envelope, will see what else I can find.

'William STAIT (Jr. b 7 April 1813) Gloucester, parents William STAITE and Lucy'

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Gloucestershire Baptism Index:

William STAIT - christened 20 April 1817 at Temple Guitings St Mary

parents: William (baliff) and Lucy : residence: Pinnock

and a brother

David - 31 March 1816 - at Toddington St Andrew, William (labourer) and Lucy

(I think David also married a NORTON - named Jane)

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Gloucestershire Burial Index:

Lucy STAITE, 31 March 1819 - age 35, at Winchombe

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Gloucestershire BDM

STAIT - Ellen Matilda - mother's former name NORTON - 1846, Cirencester, Northleach, Bibury & Chedworth
STAIT - Sophia - 1843, Stow on the Wold, Bourton on the Water
STAIT - Lucy S - 1853, Cheltenham, Winchombe Guiting

1851 Census, Guiting Power

STAIT

David - 38 - Carrier, born Toddington
Jane - 23 - born Notgrove
Sophia - 8
Ellen - 4

next door is

Robert NORTON - 33 - born Notgrove
Sarah NORTON sister - 26

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Looking at you tree on Ancestry, Robert NORTON was a witness to the marriage of William STAIT & Lucy

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Gloucestershire Baptism Index

at Notgrove - same child's name - same mother - same date - but father's name given both as George & John

i.e.

Robert NORTON - christened 23 June 1816 - George (Carpenter) & Sophia

Robert NORTON - christened 23 June 1816 - John (Carpenter) & Sophia

and George NORTON married Sophia COLLETT - 5 June 1815 at Notsgrove

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If you go into this website - which does contain a link with Jane HEWER sister of my x grandmother who married Henry COLLETT in 1849 (Aldworth Line 1760-2000)

http://www.collettfamilyhistory.net

and into : Part Two The Secondary Line 1775 - 1870

Sophia COLLETT was baptised 15 June 1792 at Notgrove where she married George NORTON 5 June 1815 as confirmed in the 1818 Will of her Grandfather William ROWLAND and the 1830 Will of her father Henry COLLETT

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William Stait (Jr.) b. 7 Apr, 1813 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England occupation: farmer
Parents William Staite b. abt 1786 England d. before 1861 occupation: farmer
Lucy (Cook) Stait b. 1783 Toddington, Gloucestershire d. 20 Feb, 1868 Gretton, Winchcombe
William and Lucy married 17 Jan, 1814 Toddington (it appears they were married after two children were born)

William (Jr.) married
Mary Norton b. abt 1818 England d. abt. 1852 Canada
Parents: George Norton ????? Mary ??????

William (Jr) and Mary Norton married 13 Aug 1839 North Cotswold, Temple Guiting, Gloucestershire

William and Mary's children (4 born in England)
William b. 14 Feb 1841 Cheltenham, Winchcombe, Gloucestershire d. 17 Jan 1929 Ontario Canada
George b. Gloucestershire d. ?? Canada
Thomas b. 1845 England d. Canada
Lucy Ann b. 1849 Cheltenham, Winchcombe d. Canada

In 1851 the entire family immigrated to Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

I am located in North Carolina USA and would be very interested in exchanging information with anyone interested.

Any suggestions of resources to research for further info will be greatly appreciated.

Jim Davis