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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction - Elizabeth d/o Joseph &amp; Margaret Harry was chr on 02 Mar 1829 at Llangwm. </p>
<p>Also Joseph was chr at Llangwrm on 22 Jul 1804 and was the s/o William and Susanna Davis Harry.  William Harry m Susanna Davis on 28 Dec 1803 at Llangwm.  <br />
Susanna d/o Thomas &amp; Elizabeth Davis was chr at Llangwm on 01 Jan 1783.</p>
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<title>James BISHOP circa 1845 Staffordshire &amp; Lydney (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for taking the time to send this information.  It will be a great help</p>
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<title>James BISHOP circa 1845 Staffordshire &amp; Lydney (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Bishop and Margaret Emma Cole - James' parents were John Bishop and Sarah (formerly Bradley).</p>
<p>On 23 Feb 1841 John, son of James Bishop, m. Sarah, daughter of William Bradley at Grendon Bishop, Herefordshire.</p>
<p>On 29 Jan 1810 James Bishop m. Elizabeth Boaz at Kinver.  The 1861 census shows Eliazabeth, aged 73, as living with her daughter and her birthplace as Shrewley, Worcs. </p>
<p>On 28 Mar 1788 Elizabeth d/o Samuel and Elizabeth Bows was christened at Shrawley, Worcs.  The family were living at Kinver by 1793.</p>
<p>Margaret parents, William Cole and Elizabeth Harry were m. on 10 Jul 1853 at Llangwm.<br />
William's parents, Philip Cole (also a carpenter, born in Bristol) and Elizabeth Edwards m. on 09 Aug 1813 at Wolves Newton.</p>
<p>About 1826 Elizabeth's Parents, Joseph Harry and Margaret Sadler were m.  Elizabeth was chr, at Llangwm on 02 Mar 1830.</p>
<p>On 07 May 1777 Wm s/o William and Elizabeth Huntly Harry was chr. at Llangwm.</p>
<p>On 27 May 1776 William Harry m. Elizabeth Huntley at Llangwm.</p>
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<title>John William BISHOP m Elizabeth May JENKINS, 1940 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ref earlier posted Marriage of George Henry Bishop &amp; Kate Rosalind Murrell in 1907; I suspect this may be their son ?  If so he was born abt 1915, perhaps named in memory of George's close brother John William who had died abt 1900.</p>
<p>Record_ID: 78770 <br />
Entry_Number: 196 <br />
Year: 1940 <br />
Month: Sep <br />
Day: 10 <br />
Grooms_Surname: BISHOP <br />
Grooms_Forenames: John William <br />
Grooms_Age: 25 <br />
Groom_Condition: Batchelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Aircraft Fitter <br />
Grooms_Residence: 28 Victoria Street <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Bishop <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Henry George <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier <br />
Brides_Surname: JENKINS <br />
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth May <br />
Brides_Age: 21 <br />
Brides_Condition: Spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: Domestic Servant <br />
Brides_Residence: 127 Victoria Street <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jenkins <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas William <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Licence <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign <br />
Witness_1: Dorathy F Jenkins <br />
Witness_2: Arthur Cornwall <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: F W Potts Hicks Officiating Minister <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda: Record copy very faint <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/2 IN 1/8 <br />
Page_Number: 98 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen <br />
Soundex_Groom: B210 <br />
Soundex_Bride: J525</p>
<p>The following marriage MAY possibly be their son, altho further proof needed of course. </p>
<p><br />
From GlosBMD:</p>
<p>Marriage Details</p>
<p>Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry <br />
BISHOP John William POTTER Kathleen May Forest of Dean Mitcheldean St Michael and All Angels  1960 5 46</p>
<p>???</p>
<p><br />
I had wondered if the &quot;next-generation&quot; groom's name indicated whether his POSSIBLE father John WIlliam Bishop, &quot;Aircraft fitter&quot;, had died during WW2, but I cannot find him in the CWGC site, altho thats not conclusive of course (the fact there are some John William Bishops' war graves listed, a few are RAF men, show this is NOT a rare name !). <br />
He could equally have been a civilian working at a munitions factory (GAC Brockworth etc).<br />
All supposition of course...</p>
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<title>The BISHOP Family suffered several tragically early deaths (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to 1881 Census Margaret was aged 28 and with James, she has children until 1888 (baptised at Cinderford St Stephen), but is not on 1891 Census with James and rest of family.</p>
<p>?</p>
<p>From this site's PRs</p>
<p>Record_ID: 56145 <br />
Entry_Number: 1507 <br />
Year: 1890 <br />
Month: Feb <br />
Day: 25 <br />
Surname: BISHOP <br />
Forenames: Margaret <br />
Residence: Cinderford <br />
Age_at_death: 37 y[ea]rs <br />
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death:  <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/13 <br />
Page_No: 189 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John <br />
Soundex: B210 </p>
<p>NB: I think there maybe a couple of old gravestones just in front of St Stephens, but only a very few, hence ? she's buried at St Johns which has a burial ground.</p>
<p>From this site's Old Photo section see:<br />
St Johns<br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/churches/pages/page_12.html">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/churches/pages/page_12.html</a><br />
St Stephens<br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/churches/pages/page_14.html">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/churches/pages/page_14.html</a><br />
(Note the area next to the Church is the Vicarage Lawn, not a burial ground).<br />
<a href="http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/cinderford/pages/page_26.html">http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/cinderford/pages/page_26.html</a></p>
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<p>Ref earlier GlosBMD Birth registration for Emma Jane Bishop b1883, sadly</p>
<p>Record_ID: 55803 <br />
Entry_Number: 1167 <br />
Year: 1885 <br />
Month: Aug <br />
Day: 16 <br />
Surname: BISHOP <br />
Forenames: Emma Jane <br />
Residence: Cinderford <br />
Age_at_death: 1 y[ea]r &amp; 9m[o <br />
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death:  <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/13 <br />
Page_No: 146 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John <br />
Soundex: B210</p>
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<p>Altho not! proven without further research, browsing this site's Cinderford PRs for Bishops gives the following possible family members:</p>
<p><br />
James &amp; Margaret had a son John born Lydney abt 1881 according to the Census.<br />
From this site:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 41339 <br />
Entry_Number: 171 <br />
Year: 1882 <br />
Month: Aug <br />
Day: 16 <br />
Parents_Surname: BISHOP <br />
Child_Forenames: John William <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Primrose Hill <br />
Occupation: Puddler <br />
Officiating_Minister: R. Stevens Curate <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/6 <br />
Page_Number: 22 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Lydney <br />
Soundex: B210 </p>
<p><br />
He is with the household in 1891 but not in 1901 Census. He's old enough to have moved out, but could this be him ?:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 6105 <br />
Entry_Number: 693 <br />
Year: 1900 <br />
Month: Apr <br />
Day: 5 <br />
Surname: BISHOP <br />
Forenames: John William <br />
Residence: Cinderford <br />
Age_at_death: 18 years <br />
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Lynes Vicar <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death:  <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14 <br />
Page_No: 88 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John <br />
Soundex: B210 </p>
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<p>Their elder son George Henry born abt 1878 married Kate Rosalind Murrell born abt 1885 in 1907, (see earlier). </p>
<p>These premature deaths match ?</p>
<p>Casualty of War, or ?</p>
<p>Record_ID: 7317 <br />
Entry_Number: 285 <br />
Year: 1917 <br />
Month: Dec <br />
Day: 14 <br />
Surname: BISHOP <br />
Forenames: George Henry <br />
Residence: Cinderford <br />
Age_at_death: 39 <br />
Officiating_Minister: F W Baldwin Vicar <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death:  <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15 <br />
Page_No: 36 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John <br />
Soundex: B210 </p>
<p>Record_ID: 8333 <br />
Entry_Number: 1301 <br />
Year: 1932 <br />
Month: Nov <br />
Day: 8 <br />
Surname: BISHOP <br />
Forenames: Kate <br />
Residence: Victoria St[reet] E[ast] D[ean] <br />
Age_at_death: 47 <br />
Officiating_Minister: J W Yeandle Hignell <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death:  <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15 <br />
Page_No: 163 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John <br />
Soundex: B210</p>
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<p>On a happier note, I think this may be their children, born just after the 1907 Marriage:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 1014563 <br />
Entry_Number:  <br />
Year: 1934 <br />
Month: Oct <br />
Day: 27 <br />
Grooms_Surname: BISHOP <br />
Grooms_Forenames: Henry George <br />
Grooms_Age: 25 <br />
Groom_Condition: bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: pumpsman <br />
Grooms_Residence: Victoria St <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: BISHOP <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George Henry <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [decd] <br />
Brides_Surname: BEDDIS <br />
Brides_Forenames: Hilda Mary <br />
Brides_Age: 23 <br />
Brides_Condition: spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation: domestic <br />
Brides_Residence: Victoria St. <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: BEDDIS <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph Edward <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [decd] <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign <br />
Witness_1: Helen Capener <br />
Witness_2: John Bishop <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: C Paul Glidden <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/7 <br />
Page_Number: 64 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John <br />
Soundex_Groom: B210 <br />
Soundex_Bride: B320 </p>
<p>Record_ID: 1014624 <br />
Entry_Number:  <br />
Year: 1938 <br />
Month: Apr <br />
Day: 16 <br />
Grooms_Surname: WALL <br />
Grooms_Forenames: Ernest Edward <br />
Grooms_Age: 21 <br />
Groom_Condition: bachelor <br />
Grooms_Occupation: fitter <br />
Grooms_Residence: Gloucester <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WALL <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James Henry <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: labourer <br />
Brides_Surname: BISHOP <br />
Brides_Forenames: Florence May <br />
Brides_Age: 19 <br />
Brides_Condition: spinster <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence: Victoria St. <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: BISHOP <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George Henry <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: collier <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns:  <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign <br />
Witness_1: H G Bishop <br />
Witness_2: G Stamps <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: Tom T Haines vicar <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/7 <br />
Page_Number: 95 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John <br />
Soundex_Groom: W400 <br />
Soundex_Bride: B210 </p>
<p>Note the witnesses are brothers.</p>
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<title>James BISHOP 1845 - 1906 Kinver, Staffs -&gt; FoD (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Public Members Tree Ancestry -</p>
<p>Margret Emma COLES 1853-1890</p>
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<p>1881 Census, Allastone, Lydney</p>
<p>BISHOP</p>
<p>James - 36 - Pudler Iron Mfg. Iron Work - born Staffordshire, Keever<br />
Margaret - 28 - born Monmouthshire, Usk<br />
Elizabeth - 7 - born Monmouth, Caldicot<br />
Ellen - 5 - Scholar - born ditto<br />
George BISHOP son - 3 - Staffordshire<br />
John BISHOP - 1 month, Gloucestershire, Lydney</p>
</blockquote><p>Year: 1906 <br />
Month: Jan <br />
Day: 9 <br />
Surname: BISHOP <br />
Forenames: James <br />
Residence: Bilson Green Cinderford <br />
Age_at_death: 61 years <br />
Officiating_Minister: James Sawton Vicar of Holy Trinity <br />
Event: Burial <br />
Cause_of_death:  <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/14 <br />
Page_No: 134 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John </p>
<p>Name: James Bishop <br />
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 <br />
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1906 <br />
Age at Death: 61 <br />
Registration district: Westbury on Severn <br />
Inferred County: Gloucestershire <br />
Volume: 6a <br />
Page: 195  </p>
<p> 1901<br />
 James Bishop  abt 1845 Kinver Head East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 George Bishop  abt 1879 Kinver Son East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Sarah Bishop abt 1886 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Emma Bishop  abt 1888 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Sydney Giles  abt 1876 Caldicoat, Monmouthshire, Wales Son-in-law East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Ellen Giles   abt 1876   Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Albert S Giles abt 1896 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Ellen F Giles abt 1901 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Emma Bishop  abt 1842 Kinver Visitor East Dean, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>1891<br />
James Bishop  abt 1852 Kinver, Staffordshire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Ellen Bishop  abt 1875 Caldicote, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 George Bishop  abt 1878 Kinver, Staffordshire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 John Bishop abt 1881 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Sarah Bishop  abt 1887 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Emma Bishop  abt 1888 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire </p>
<p>1881<br />
James Bishop  abt 1845 Kinver, Staffordshire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Margeret Bishop  abt 1853 Usk, Monmouth, Wales Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Elizabeth Bishop abt 1874 Caldicot, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire  <br />
 Ellen Bishop abt 1876 Caldicot, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire  <br />
 George Bishop J abt 1878 Staffordshire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire  <br />
 John Bishop   Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire</p>
<p><br />
1871<br />
James Bishop  abt 1843 Kinver, Staffordshire, England Lodger Caldicot, Monmouthshire </p>
<p>1861 Kinfare Staffs<br />
John Bishop 50 <br />
Sarah Bishop 45 <br />
Philip Bishop 22 <br />
James Bishop 16 Kinver<br />
Daniel Bishop 14 <br />
George Bishop 11 <br />
Jane Bishop 8 <br />
John Bishop 6 <br />
Samuel Bishop 3 </p>
<p><br />
1851<br />
John Bishop abt 1811 Kinfare, Staffordshire, England Head Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
 Sarah Bishop  abt 1819 Stow, Shropshire, England Wife Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
 Philip Bishop  abt 1839 Kinfare, Staffordshire, England Son Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
 Emma Bishop  abt 1842 Kinfare, Staffordshire, England Daughter Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
 James Bishop  abt 1845 Kinfare, Staffordshire, England Son Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
 Daniel Bishop abt 1848 Kinfare, Staffordshire, England Son Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
 George Bishop  abt 1850 Kinfare, Staffordshire, England Son Kinver, Staffordshire</p>
<p><br />
1841 Hyde<br />
John Bishop abt 1811 Staffordshire, England Kinver, Staffordshire  Ag Lab<br />
 Sarah Bishop abt 1821 Staffordshire, England Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
 Ann Bishop abt 1816 Staffordshire, England Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
 Eliza Bishop abt 1826 Staffordshire, England Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
 Philip Bishop abt 1839 Staffordshire, England Kinver, Staffordshire</p>
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<title>John BISHOP born abt 1811 &quot;Keever, Staffs&quot; (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to 1881 Census John was born abt 1811:</p>
<p>Again from LDS:</p>
<p>John Bishop, &quot;England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975&quot;<br />
name: John Bishop  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 04 Nov 1810  <br />
baptism/christening place: Kinfare, Stafford, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: James Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Elizabeth  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C39078-1  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 1040763  <br />
reference number: item 14</p>
<p>Again searching LDS gives this likely parent's marriage:</p>
<p>James Bishop, &quot;England, Marriages, 1538–1973 &quot;<br />
groom's name: James Bishop  <br />
groom's birth date:  <br />
groom's birthplace:  <br />
groom's age:  <br />
bride's name: Elizabeth Boaz  <br />
bride's birth date:  <br />
bride's birthplace:  <br />
bride's age:  <br />
marriage date: 29 Jan 1810  <br />
marriage place: Kinver,Stafford,England  <br />
groom's father's name:  <br />
groom's mother's name:  <br />
bride's father's name:  <br />
bride's mother's name:  <br />
groom's race:  <br />
groom's marital status:  <br />
groom's previous wife's name:  <br />
bride's race:  <br />
bride's marital status:  <br />
bride's previous husband's name:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: M04869-1  <br />
system origin: England-ODM  <br />
source film number: 421560, 435782, 435783  <br />
reference number: </p>
<p><br />
LDS appears to be listing several probable children for this couple, please see<br />
<a href="https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&amp;query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajames%7E%20%2Bsurname%3Abishop%7E%20%2Bmarriage_place%3A%22kinfare%20staffs%22%7E%20%2Bspouse_givenname%3Aelizabeth%7E&amp;collection_type=6">https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&amp;query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajames%7...</a></p>
<p>Assuming Elizabeth wasn't previously married &amp; Boaz IS her maiden name, LDS only gives ONE possible Baptism for her, but seems unlikely given the location, and of course there are many other possible surces that I don't have access to. Is Boaz/Bose a traveller(canal?) name I wonder ?</p>
<p>name: Elizabeth Boaz  <br />
gender: Female  <br />
baptism/christening date: 1785  <br />
baptism/christening place: SCARBOROUGH, BTS, YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND  <br />
birth date: 1785  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: Thomas Boaz  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Ann  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C13565-2  <br />
system origin: England-VR  <br />
source film number: 919206  <br />
reference number: - 2:2P15R08  </p>
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<p>Re the earlier post and John Bishop born 1855 (see above), I wonder if this could be his later marriage, found while browsing LDS results.</p>
<p>groom's name: John Bishop  <br />
groom's birth date: 1853  <br />
groom's birthplace:  <br />
groom's age: 21  <br />
bride's name: Sarah Jackson  <br />
bride's birth date: 1857  <br />
bride's birthplace:  <br />
bride's age: 17  <br />
marriage date: 18 May 1874  <br />
marriage place: Norton In The Moors,Stafford,England  <br />
groom's father's name: John Bishop  <br />
groom's mother's name:  <br />
bride's father's name: John Jackson  <br />
bride's mother's name:  <br />
groom's race:  <br />
groom's marital status:  <br />
groom's previous wife's name:  <br />
bride's race:  <br />
bride's marital status:  <br />
bride's previous husband's name:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: M01017-6  <br />
system origin: England-ODM  <br />
source film number: 1040780  <br />
reference number: </p>
<p>Altho this may be unrelated despite the similar dates &amp; names, as Norton is near Stoke on Trent so t'other end of the County due North albeit easily accessible via the Trent &amp; Canals ??</p>
<p><a href="http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/NortonintheMoors/index.html">http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/NortonintheMoors/index.html</a></p>
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<p>Hope this helps, good luck !</p>
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<title>John &amp; Sarah BISHOP,  &quot;Keever, Staffs&quot; (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Searching LDS for the couple gives following Census's:</p>
<p>John Bishop, &quot;England and Wales Census, 1881&quot;<br />
name: John Bishop  <br />
age: 70  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
birth year: 1811  <br />
birthplace: Kinver, Staffordshire, England  <br />
relationship to head of household: Head  <br />
marital condition: Married  <br />
profession/occupation: Laborer In Iron Works  <br />
address: Potters Cross  <br />
census place: Kinver, Staffordshire, England  <br />
disability:  <br />
record type: Household  <br />
family history library film: 1341668  <br />
the national archives reference: RG11  <br />
piece/folio: 2790 / 82  <br />
page number: 24  <br />
  Household Gender Age Birthplace <br />
head  John Bishop  M 70 Kinver, Staffordshire, England  <br />
wife  Sarah Bishop  F 63 Kinver, Staffordshire, England  <br />
son  George Bishop  M 31 Kinver, Staffordshire, England  <br />
son  Samuel Bishop  M 23 Kinver, Staffordshire, England  <br />
son  Harry Bishop  M 19 Kinver, Staffordshire, England  <br />
grand daughter  Frances Bishop  F 9 Kinver, Staffordshire, England  <br />
lodger  Moses Thomas  M 28 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England </p>
<p><br />
John Bishop, &quot;England and Wales Census, 1871&quot;<br />
name: John Bishop  <br />
event: Census  <br />
event date: 1871  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
age: 60  <br />
relationship to head of household: Head  <br />
birthplace: Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
record type: Household  <br />
registration district: Wolverhampton  <br />
sub-district: Kinver  <br />
event parish: Kinver  <br />
county: Staffordshire  <br />
  Household Gender Age Birthplace <br />
head  John Bishop  M 60 Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
wife  Sarah Bishop  F 57 Stow, Shropshire  <br />
son  John Bishop  M 15 Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
son  Samuel Bishop  M 13 Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
son  Harry Bishop  M 9 Kinver, Staffordshire  </p>
<p><br />
John Bishop, &quot;England and Wales Census, 1861&quot;<br />
name: John Bishop  <br />
event: Census  <br />
event date: 1861  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
age: 50  <br />
relationship to head of household: Head  <br />
birthplace: Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
record type: Household  <br />
registration district: Wolverhampton  <br />
sub-district: 2 Kinfare  <br />
ecclesiastical parish: Kinver  <br />
civil parish: Kinver  <br />
county: Staffordshire  </p>
<p><br />
John Bishop in household of John Bishop, &quot;England and Wales Census, 1841&quot;<br />
name: John Bishop  <br />
event: Census  <br />
event date: 1841  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
age: 30  <br />
birthplace: Staffordshire  <br />
record type: Household  <br />
registration district: Wolverhampton &amp; Seisdon  <br />
sub-district: Kinfare  <br />
civil parish: Kinfare  <br />
county: Staffordshire  </p>
<p>Note Kinver &amp; Kinfare are the same town, near the rivers &amp; canals of Stourbridge so &quot;en route&quot; to Dean, lots of useful info here:  <br />
<a href="http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Kinver/index.html">http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Kinver/index.html</a></p>
<p><br />
Also from LDS these look like their children:</p>
<p>name: John Bishop  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 03 Jul 1855  <br />
baptism/christening place: Kinfare, Stafford, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: John Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Sarah  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C39078-4  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 1040764  <br />
reference number: item 2 p 173  </p>
<p>name: Samuel Bishop  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 08 Feb 1858  <br />
baptism/christening place: Kinfare, Stafford, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: John Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Sarah  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C39078-5  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 1040764  <br />
reference number: </p>
<p>name: Jane Bishop  <br />
gender: Female  <br />
baptism/christening date: 30 Sep 1852  <br />
baptism/christening place: Kinfare, Stafford, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: John Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Sarah  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C39078-4  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 1040764  <br />
reference number: item 2 p 138  </p>
<p>name: George Bishop  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 14 Feb 1850  <br />
baptism/christening place: Kinfare, Stafford, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: John Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Sarah  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C39078-4  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 1040764  <br />
reference number: item 2 p 107  </p>
<p>name: Daniel Bishop  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 18 Jul 1847  <br />
baptism/christening place: Kinfare, Stafford, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: John Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Sarah  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C39078-4  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 1040764  <br />
reference number: item 2 p 78  </p>
<p>name: James Bishop  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 27 Oct 1844  <br />
baptism/christening place: Kinfare, Stafford, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: John Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Sarah  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C39078-3  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 1040764  <br />
reference number: </p>
<p>name: Emma Bishop  <br />
gender: Female  <br />
baptism/christening date: 24 Apr 1842  <br />
baptism/christening place: Kinfare, Stafford, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: John Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Sarah  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C39078-3  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 1040764  <br />
reference number: </p>
<p>name: George Bishop  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 14 Feb 1850  <br />
baptism/christening place: KINVER,STAFFORD,ENGLAND  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: John Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Sarah  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C04869-1  <br />
system origin: England-ODM  <br />
source film number: 435782, 435783  <br />
reference number:</p>
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<title>William COLE m Elizabeth HARRY (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriages Sep 1853    <br />
COLE  William    Chepstow  11a 15    <br />
HARRY  Elizabeth     Chepstow  11a 15</p>
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<title>James BISHOP born &quot;abt 1845 Keever, Staffs&quot;,  and family (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the free Latterday Saints site:<br />
<a href="https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/results#count=20&amp;query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajames%7E%20%2Bsurname%3Abishop%7E%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22keever%20staffs%22%7E%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1840-1850%7E&amp;birth_year1=1800%7E1840">https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/results#count=20&amp;query=%2Bgivenname%3Aj...</a></p>
<p>Possible wrt the 1881 Census above</p>
<p>name: James Bishop  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 27 Oct 1844  <br />
baptism/christening place: Kinfare, Stafford, England  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: John Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Sarah  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C39078-3  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 1040764  <br />
reference number: </p>
<p>DITTO</p>
<p>name: James Bishop  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 27 Oct 1844  <br />
baptism/christening place: KINVER,STAFFORD,ENGLAND  <br />
birth date:  <br />
birthplace:  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: John Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Sarah  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C04869-1  <br />
system origin: England-ODM  <br />
source film number: 435782, 435783  <br />
reference number: </p>
<p>NOTE! I can't find a place called &quot;Keever&quot; anywhere, transcription error ?</p>
<p>--- CENSUS's</p>
<p>name: James Bishop  <br />
event: Census  <br />
event date: 1861  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
age: 16  <br />
relationship to head of household: Son  <br />
birthplace: Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
record type: Household  <br />
registration district: Wolverhampton  <br />
sub-district: 2 Kinfare  <br />
ecclesiastical parish: Kinver  <br />
civil parish: Kinver  <br />
county: Staffordshire  </p>
<p><br />
name: James Bishop  <br />
event: Census  <br />
event date: 1871  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
age: 28  <br />
relationship to head of household: Lodger  <br />
birthplace: Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
record type: Household  <br />
registration district: Chepstow  <br />
sub-district: Shirenewton  <br />
event parish: Caldicot Village End  <br />
county: Monmouthshire  </p>
<p><br />
name: James Bishop  <br />
event: Census  <br />
event date: 31 Mar 1901  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
age: 56  <br />
relationship to head of household: Head  <br />
birthplace: Kinver, Staffordshire  <br />
record type: Household  <br />
registration district: Westbury On Severn  <br />
sub-district: East Dean  <br />
ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen  <br />
civil parish: East Dean  <br />
county: Gloucestershire  </p>
<p>(Think this is my home church St Stephen = Cinderford/Woodside; photos are on this site.)</p>
<p>From this FoD site's PRs:<br />
Could these be the same family, still in Cinderford ?</p>
<p>Record_ID: 87978 <br />
Entry_Number: 369 <br />
Year: 1888 <br />
Month: Feb <br />
Day: 8 <br />
Parents_Surname: BISHOP <br />
Child_Forenames: Sarah Jane <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Woodside <br />
Occupation: Labourer <br />
Officiating_Minister: C. W. Houlston <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: Born Jul 11 1886 <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/2IN 1/1 <br />
Page_Number: 47 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen <br />
Soundex: B210 </p>
<p>Record_ID: 87979 <br />
Entry_Number: 370 <br />
Year: 1888 <br />
Month: Feb <br />
Day: 8 <br />
Parents_Surname: BISHOP <br />
Child_Forenames: Emma Frances <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Woodside <br />
Occupation: Labourer <br />
Officiating_Minister: C. W. Houlston <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda: Born Oct 20 1887 <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/2IN 1/1 <br />
Page_Number: 47 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen <br />
Soundex: B210 </p>
<p><br />
(Cannot find any subsequent records re Sarah or Emma in FoD PRs)</p>
<p><br />
Record_ID: 25169 <br />
Entry_Number: 231 <br />
Year: 1907 <br />
Month: Aug <br />
Day: 11 <br />
Grooms_Surname: BISHOP <br />
Grooms_Forenames: George Henry <br />
Grooms_Age: 29 <br />
Groom_Condition: B[achelor] <br />
Grooms_Occupation: Collier <br />
Grooms_Residence: Woodside <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Bishop <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier <br />
Brides_Surname: MURRELL <br />
Brides_Forenames: Kate Rosalind <br />
Brides_Age: 22 <br />
Brides_Condition: S[pinster] <br />
Brides_Occupation:  <br />
Brides_Residence: Woodside <br />
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Murrell <br />
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Henry <br />
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier <br />
Licence_or_Banns: Banns <br />
Date_of_Banns: [not stated] <br />
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign <br />
Witness_1: E. M. Leadbeater <br />
Witness_2: F. Leadbeater <br />
Other_Witnesses:  <br />
Officiating_Minister: W. H. M. Hancock <br />
Event: Marriage <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: P85/2 1N 1/6 <br />
Page_Number: 116 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St Stephen <br />
Soundex_Groom: B210 <br />
Soundex_Bride: M640 </p>
<p>Or from GlosBMD:</p>
<p>Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry <br />
BISHOP George Henry MURRELL Kate Rosalind Forest of Dean Cinderford Woodside St Stephen  1907 1 231 </p>
<p>So this George Bishop was 29yrs in 1907, so born abt 1878, father James.  <br />
George's age fits earlier 1881 Census record perfectly.<br />
Cannot find any subsequent Baptisms re George &amp; Kate in FoD PRs.</p>
<p>Re-searching LDS for George:</p>
<p>name: George Harry Bishop  <br />
gender: Male  <br />
baptism/christening date: 20 Oct 1878  <br />
baptism/christening place: Kinfare, Stafford, England  <br />
birth date: 04 May 1878  <br />
birthplace: Kinver, Stafford, England  <br />
death date:  <br />
name note:  <br />
race:  <br />
father's name: James Bishop  <br />
father's birthplace:  <br />
father's age:  <br />
mother's name: Margaret  <br />
mother's birthplace:  <br />
mother's age:  <br />
indexing project (batch) number: C04869-4  <br />
system origin: England-EASy  <br />
source film number: 1471067  <br />
reference number: item 12 p 17  </p>
<p>And GlosBMD:</p>
<p>Following Births Registered:</p>
<p>Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry <br />
BISHOP Emma Jane BISHOP BISHOP COLE 1883 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 51 234 </p>
<p>Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry <br />
BISHOP Sarah Jane BISHOP BISHOP COLES 1886 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 55 69 </p>
<p>Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry <br />
BISHOP Frances Emma BISHOP BISHOP COLE 1887 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 56 488 </p>
<p><br />
Marriage Details</p>
<p>Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building   Year Register Entry <br />
THOMAS James BISHOP Emma Frances Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office   1908 14 90 <br />
(So just aged 21, but Registry Office = ?).</p>
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<title>Margaret COLE 1854 Usk (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>??</p>
<p><br />
1861</p>
<p>Address Prospect Place <br />
Parish Wolves Newton <br />
District Chepstow, Shire-Newton <br />
Administrative County Monmouthshire <br />
Householder 1 <br />
Name William Cole <br />
Age 28 <br />
Estimated Year of Birth 1833 <br />
Relationship to Head of Household Head <br />
Occupation Carpenter <br />
Birth Place Wolves Newton <br />
Birth County Monmouthshire <br />
Householder 2 <br />
Name Elizabeth Cole <br />
Age 31 <br />
Estimated Year of Birth 1830 <br />
Relationship to Head of Household Wife <br />
Occupation  <br />
Birth Place Llangwm <br />
Birth County Monmouthshire <br />
Householder 3 <br />
Name Margaret Cole <br />
Age 7 <br />
Estimated Year of Birth 1854 <br />
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter <br />
Occupation Juvenile <br />
Birth Place Usk <br />
Birth County Monmouthshire <br />
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<title>John BISHOP b1882 (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from this site's PRs:</p>
<p>Record_ID: 41339 <br />
Entry_Number: 171 <br />
Year: 1882 <br />
Month: Aug <br />
Day: 16 <br />
Parents_Surname: BISHOP <br />
Child_Forenames: John William <br />
Fathers_Forenames: James <br />
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret <br />
Mothers_Surname:  <br />
Residence: Primrose Hill <br />
Occupation: Puddler <br />
Officiating_Minister: R. Stevens Curate <br />
Event: Baptism <br />
Memoranda:  <br />
Notes:  <br />
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/6 <br />
Page_Number: 22 <br />
Parish_Chapel: Lydney <br />
Soundex: B210</p>
<p>Also on GlosBMD:</p>
<p>Birth Details<br />
Number of entries matching criteria entered: 1</p>
<p>Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry <br />
BISHOP John William BISHOP BISHOP COLES 1881 Forest of Dean Chepstow, Lydney 17 409</p>
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<title>James BISHOP/Margret Emma COLES (reply)</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public Members Tree Ancestry -</p>
<p>Margret Emma COLES 1853-1890</p>
<p>---</p>
<p>1881 Census, Allastone, Lydney</p>
<p>BISHOP</p>
<p>James - 36 - Pudler Iron Mfg. Iron Work - born Staffordshire, Keever<br />
Margaret - 28 - born Monmouthshire, Usk<br />
Elizabeth - 7 - born Monmouth, Caldicot<br />
Ellen - 5 - Scholar - born ditto<br />
George BISHOP son - 3 - Staffordshire<br />
John BISHOP - 1 month, Gloucestershire, Lydney</p>
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<title>James BISHOP circa 1845 Staffordshire &amp; Lydney</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I am researching James Bishop and family, his wife Margret (Coles/cole) was from USK, Monmouthshire. Where would I find records?  There seems to be an overlap in records but I have hit a brick wall.  Any information would be gratefully received.<br />
Thanks</p>
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