Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Lilian JELF born 1893 Ashleworth

Lilian JELF born 1893 Ashleworth (reply)

simbarn — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:17:07 +0000

Thanks for your reply. I did manage to get the photo, and I have also sent a copy to my brother who is as pleased as me. Although they did survive the war their life in Birmingham was not that great. Lillian died at 36 from TB. Reginald i think had some form of cancer and died at 45. The youngest daugther died at 2 years of age. She never came out of hospital. The other daughter died at 20 again from TB.

Again it was probably like many family's of that time.

Judy

Lilian JELF born 1893 Ashleworth (reply)

dink999 — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:33:58 +0000

Hi Jefff,

I have sent the wedding photo, now all she has to do is work out who the dozen or so other people are in the photo.

You are correct about the pictorial newspaper not being on the BNA site. Very occasional there are references in a picture to a corresponding article in the Chronicle but I've not found any for the 90 or so pictures of Foresters in the pictorial publication.

Lilian JELF born 1893 Ashleworth (reply)

Jefff — Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:22:04 +0000

Hi Simbarn,
Thanks for closing the loop. I'm very pleased indeed to hear your grandparents survived the War, I've seen too many cases of people who didnt make it thro the last few weeks...

Re your query re the wedding photo, I suspect if Dink saw your enquiry you may well have heard from him offline, if not I suggest you send him a direct email. I did search the excellent British Newspaper Archives website trying to find the wedding, but without luck ??. The site does carry the Cheltenham Chronicle from that period and there were a few possible later references to Mrs Lilian Jelf, but not this wedding despite my best efforts searching it, sorry. I think it was only reported within the Graphic issue of the paper, which the BNA site doesn't appear to hold, was this the Chronicle's "illustrated" sister in a similar way the Gloucester Journal was to the Citizen ?.
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=lilian%20jelf&e...

Hope you find the photo, Jeff.

Lilian JELF born 1893 Ashleworth (reply)

simbarn — Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:04:52 +0000

Re your query about Lillian Jelf and her husband Reginald Simpson. They did survive the war had 3 children and moved to Birmingham. Lillian died in 1929 and Reginald in 1938. They were my grandparents.

Lilian JELF born 1893 Ashleworth (reply)

simbarn — Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:01:40 +0000

I see you mention group wedding photo of Lillian May Jelf to Reginald Edward Simpson in The cheltenham Chronicle and Gloucester Graphic on 3 Aug 1918. Do you know how I can get hold of this photo and they are my Grandparents and I have no idea what they look like as they both died before I was born. I would be really grateful for any help.

Thanks

Bearland Villas, Gloster (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:00:54 +0000

Out of pure curiosity for what seemed an unusual address I found there is an area of Gloster called Bearlands down towards the docks, abt where the Prison & Shire Hall is today. Until 1870 or so and the area was developed there was a Bearland House with orchard, so ??. Why the name I don't know, hopefully not a reminder of bear baiting but ??. Anyhow, my reason for posting is that one of the resulting hits was for this "Simpson" surname website which may be of future interest to Dink. It lists several Simpsons mostly from the Dymchurch Kent area (hence the Royal Navy?) but also these more local entries of which the latter two appear most relevant:

Simpson, Edward William, b.1860, Born Mar 25 1860 in Dymchurch New Romney Kent, Died Apr 28 1906 in Gloucester England

Simpson, Charles George, Born Apr 14 1894 in Gloucester England, Died Nov 02 1983 in Sheffield Yorkshire England

Simpson, Lionel Reginald Edward, Born Mar 28 1920 in 2 Bearland Villas Gloucester Gloucestershire England, Died Jul 21 2001 in 4 Farmoor Grove Shard End Birmingham West Midlands England

Simpson, Gwendline Lillian, Born Sep 21 1921 in Tamworth Staffordshire England, Died Oct 14 1941 in Gloucester England

With thanks to
http://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/familytree?uid=bartholomew&surname=Simpson

Lilian May JELF born 1893 Ashleworth (reply)

slowhands — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:19:20 +0000

From the Cheltenham Chronicle & Gloucester Graphic 3 Aug 1918

A group photo of the marriage of Lilian M Jelf, daughter of Mr. W. JELF, 2 Bearland Villas, Gloucester to Reginald E SIMPSON, H.M Navy at St Nicholas' Church Gloucester on 21 July 1918

1911 2 Bearland Villas, Gloucester
Walter Jelf 61
Catherine Jelf 51
Lilian Jelf 18
Alfreda Jelf 16
Reginald Jelf 14
Lionel Jelf 11
Jack Allan 29
Daisy Martin 20
Cairley Lewis 21
Winifred Stewart 19
Thomas Johnson 18

1901
Waller Jelf abt 1843 Gloucestershire, England Head Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Catherine Jelf abt 1861 Ashleworth, Gloucestershire, England Wife Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Thomas Jelf abt 1887 Ashleworth Son Gloucester, Gloucestershire
John Jelf abt 1889 Ashleworth Son Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Sarah Jelf abt 1891 Ashleworth Daughter Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Lily Jelf abt 1894 Ashleworth Daughter Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Frieda Jelf abt 1895 Ashleworth Daughter Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Ernest Jelf abt 1898 Gloucestershire, England Son Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Lionel Jelf abt 1900 Gloucestershire, England Son Gloucester, Gloucestershire

Name: Lilian May Jelf
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1893
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 290

Lilian JELF born 1893 Ashleworth (reply)

Jefff — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:48:14 +0000

From this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 317130
Entry_Number: 559
Year: 1893
Month: Jul
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: JELF
Child_Forenames: Lilian May
Fathers_Forenames: Walter
Mothers_Forenames: Catherine
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ashleworth
Occupation: Fisherman
Officiating_Minister: Basil Edwards M A Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P20 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 70
Parish_Chapel: Ashleworth
Soundex: J410

From GlosBMD:

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
JELF Lilian May JELF JELF BARNES 1893 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 24 46

Lilian's Parents' Marriage Details, PERHAPS (1876!!) ?
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
JELF Walter BARNES Catherine Gloucester Sandhurst St Lawrence 1876 63 No 1 131

Her Older Brother ?
Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
JELF Walter Henry JELF JELF BARNES 1877 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 16 124

Sadly

Record_ID: 233846
Entry_Number: 733
Year: 1881
Month: Oct
Day: 7
Surname: JELF
Forenames: Walter Henry
Residence: Gloucester
Age_at_death: 4
Officiating_Minister: J. C. Waugh Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P20 IN 1/7
Page_No: 92
Parish_Chapel: Ashleworth
Soundex: J410

Searching Lilian's other siblings, if any, GlosBMD suggests these POSSIBLES:

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
JELF Walter Henry JELF JELF BARNES 1877 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 16 124
JELF Minet George JELF JELF BARNES 1878 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 16 411
JELF Ann Matilda JELF JELF BARNES 1880 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 17 352
JELF Henry James JELF JELF BARNES 1882 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 19 15
JELF Elizabeth JELF JELF BARNES 1884 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 19 331
JELF Thomas Walter JELF JELF BARNES 1886 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 20 371
JELF John Francis JELF JELF BARNES 1888 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 21 451
JELF Sarah Ann JELF JELF BARNES 1890 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 22 375
JELF Lilian May JELF JELF BARNES 1893 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 24 46
JELF Elfrida Lavinia JELF JELF BARNES 1895 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 25 48
JELF Ernest Reginald Victor JELF JELF BARNES 1897 Gloucester Gloucester, St John the Baptist 28 321
JELF Lionel Lechmore JELF JELF BARNES 1899 Gloucester Gloucester, St Nicholas 33 469

Searching above in FoD PRs confirms:

317005 1883 JELF Henry James, Walter & Catherine, Ashleworth, Fisherman Ashleworth
317022 1884 JELF Elizabeth, Walter & Katharine, Ashleworth, Fisherman Ashleworth
317050 1886 JELF Thomas Walter, Walter & Katharine, Ashleworth, Fisherman Ashleworth
317076 1888 JELF John Francis, Walter & Katharine, Ashleworth, Fisherman Ashleworth
317096 1890 JELF Sarah Ann, Walter & Catherine, Ashleworth, Fisherman Ashleworth
317130 1893 JELF Lilian May, Walter & Catherine, Ashleworth, Fisherman Ashleworth
317149 1895 JELF Elfrida Lavinia, Walter & Catherine, Ashleworth, Fisherman Ashleworth

But sadly, again!

Record_ID: 233866
Entry_Number: 753
Year: 1883
Month: May
Day: 25
Surname: JELF
Forenames: Henry James
Residence: Ashleworth
Age_at_death: 5 months
Officiating_Minister: Thomas Holbrow Vicar of Sandhurst
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P20 IN 1/7
Page_No: 95
Parish_Chapel: Ashleworth
Soundex: J410

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Is this mother Catherine ?

Record_ID: 316650
Entry_Number: 79
Year: 1860
Month: Jun
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: BARNES
Child_Forenames: Catherine
Fathers_Forenames: Soloman
Mothers_Forenames: Clara
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ashelworth
Occupation: Lab[ourer]
Officiating_Minister: H A S Atwood
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P20 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Ashleworth
Soundex: B652

And her husband Walter

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
JELF Walter JELF JELF VOYCE 1860 Gloucester Gloucester, Kingsholm 8 313

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Lilian's subsequent marriage as per Newspaper
Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
SIMPSON Reginald Edward JELF Lillian May Gloucester Gloucester St Nicholas 1918 35A X No 4 332

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
SIMPSON Reginald Edward Hatton SIMPSON SIMPSON HATTON 1893 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 61 51

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I hope Reginald (and Lilian!)survived the last few months of WW1 ?

Searching FoD PRs and GlosBMD this is only possible offspring I can find for them:

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
SIMPSON Pat SIMPSON SIMPSON JELF 1929 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham 55A 35

I cannot find their burials..

Lilian JELF born 1893 Ashleworth

dink999 — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:57:03 +0000

From the Cheltenham Chronicle & Gloucester Graphic 3 Aug 1918

A group photo of the marriage of Lilian M Jelf, daughter of Mr. W. JELF, 2 Bearland Villas, Gloucester to Reginald E SIMPSON, H.M Navy at St Nicholas' Church Gloucester on 21 July 1918