Alfred was lost to the family in the Forest, probably
because he worked on the railway out of Swindon.

I did look for William Saunders in Gloucester Pubs, but I only looked at the Rising Sun. So obviously didn't find him. So, thanks for finding this.

I've never heard of St Annals Lodge. Is it still there, as I can't seem to find it on maps?

Here you go

1881 Cinderford Road, St Johns Cinderford,
Elijah B Rickards Head Married Male 30 1851 Coalminer Bream, Gloucestershire, England
Martha Rickards Wife Married Female 26 1855 - Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England
George Rickards Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Pillowell, Gloucestershire, England
Harriet Rickards Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Rickards Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Rickards Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - York, Yorkshire, England

1871 Lydney
William Saunders Head - Male 37 1834 Butcher & inn keeper Lydney, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Saunders Wife - Female 36 1835 - Lydney, Gloucestershire, England
Children ****
Martha Fletcher Servant - Female 16 1855 General serv Whitecraft, Gloucestershire, England

Which is The Bridge Inn in Lydney :-)

https://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/pubs/bridge-inn-newerne-street-lydney/

Hi Mary
my instinct says that the building in the back of the photograph (on Page 4 of Cinderford 2) ( hazy ) is not the Rising Sun

The location is possibly the rear of Cinderford Registry Office ( or a Council Office).
Today that would be on Belle Vue Rd, so possibly with St Annals Lodge in the distance ?

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Register Entry
RICKARDS George Barnard HUNT Anne Elizabeth 1898 11 121

1901 10, Stoney Lane Trenville Avenue, Sparkhill, Yardley (Worcs), Solihull,
George Rickards Head Married Male 28 1873 Sewing machine agent West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Ann E Rickards Wife Married Female 29 1872 - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1911Commercial St Cinderford
George Rickards Head Married Male 38 1873 Collector salesman ( Sewing Machines) West Dean Glosshire
Bessie Rickards Wife Married Female 39 1872 - East Dean Glosshire
Ernest Rickards Son - Male 8 1903 - Birmingham
Stella Rickards Daughter - Female 6 1905 - Cinderford Gloshire
Mary Brain Aunt Widow Female 81 1830 Private means Mitcheldean Gloshire

Name George Barnard Rickards
Residence Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Address 8A Ruspidge Road
Death July 18 1933
Probate July 29 1933
Gloucester, Gloucestershire

I wonder if anyone can identify the building behind George Rickards in his wedding photograph. Found in Cinderford 2.

My Nan said my g.g grandmother Martha Rickards (nee Fletcher) used to live in the now empty and sadly derelict building in Moseley Green. I was wondering if the building behind is 'The Rising Sun'? She was also working for a William Saunders in the 1871 census. His occupation was that of butcher and Innkeeper. Again, was this the Rising Sun?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

William Ellway Head Married Male 38 1853 Coal miner West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Susan Ellway Wife Married Female 42 1849 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
James Ellway Son Single Male 19 1872 Coal miner West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
William Ellway Son Single Male 15 1876 Coal miner West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Edward Ellway Son - Male 13 1878 Coal miner West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary J Ellway Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Albert Ellway Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Grantley Ellway Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Howard Ellway Son - Male 1 1890 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Beatrice A Ellway Daughter - Female 0 1891 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Lodger Frederick Perry Circa 1853
Lodger William Penny Circa 1860
Lodger William Church Circa 1867
Lodger Kathleen Church Circa 1869 born Wales
Lodger Edgar Davies Circa 1873

Name: William Church
Death Age: 66
Birth Date: abt 1865
Registration Date: Apr. 1931
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Gloucester
Inferred County Gloucestershire
Volume:6a
Page:339

Name: Kate Church
Death Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1877
Registration Date: Jan. 1937
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Gloucester
Inferred County Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page:468

CHURCH, KATE:60
GRO Reference: 1937 M Quarter in GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 468
CHURCH, KATHLEEN:57
GRO Reference: 1937 M Quarter in DOVER Volume 02A Page 1999

I don't have access to newspapers anymore but found this:

Name: William Church
Trial Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1865
Trial Date: 9 Apr 1889
Occupation: Wheelwright
Charge: Indecently Exposing
Sentence: Not Guilty

William can also be found from 1906 - 1909 in the Gwent, Wales, Workhouse Registers, 1833-1957

Name: William Church
Gender:Male
Admission Age: 41
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date:abt 1865
Admission Date:8 Sep 1906
Residence Place Wales, Monmouth

John Church was sentenced to 3 months hard labour as he pleaaded guilty for Bigamy, according local newspapers of the time.

Managed to find 1881 census of William in Silver street, Abenhal, occupation is wheelwright.

William served in South Africa from 1899 to 1902. Found a 1921 Census of him living at Tower Hill, Stroud. Says born Cinderford & unemployed Wheelwright. There's a Kathleen Church also married, belive to be William's wife and census says she's from Wrexham, West Wales. So am 50/50 on this.

Still looking for their marriage record and William's death record etc.

CHURCH, ALBERT: Mother's Maiden Surname: YEM
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 200

CHURCH, WILLIAM YEMM. Mother's Maiden Surname: YEMIN
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 213

1881 Census (only record I can find)
Name: William Church
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Where born: Westbury On Trim (?)
Civil parish: Vessels
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England
Street Address: "Achilles"
Occupation: Ord 2 Cl
Registration District: Royal Navy
ED, institution, or vessel: Achilles

Apr 5th, 1891, Census
Name: William Yemm Church
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Relationship: Soldier
Birth Year: 1866
Birthplace: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Gillingham
Residence Place: Brompton, Gillingham, Kent, England
Registration District: Medway
Sub registration district: Gillingham
ED, Institution or Vessel: Brompton Barracks

UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Preview
Passenger Lists.
Name: William Church
Other: H W Hayes
Birth: Abt 1867
Departure: 8 Jul 1891 England
Arrival: Rio De Janeiro, Brazil.

The only other records I could find for a William, has his occupation of a Wheelwright?

Is this their Father?

Name: John Church
Birth Year:abt 1837
Age:35
Committal Date:14 Dec 1872
Residence Year: 1872
Residence Place: Mitcheldean
Occupation: Butcher
Reference Number:Q/Gc6/6
URL: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx

Ancestry has John Church. Trial: 1 Apr. 1873. Gloucestershire, England. 14 years Imprisonment for Bigamy.

Possibly Eliza?

1881 Census
Eliza Ann Church
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: 1836
Relationship to Head: Servant
Where born: Abenhall, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: St Georges Hanover
County/Island: London
Street Address: 28 B Albemarle St
Marital Status: Widow
Occupation: Nurse Domestic Serv
Registration District: Chelsea

DAVIS, CHARLES JESSE. MOTHERS MAIDEN SURNAME: CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in GLOUCESTER Volume 06A Page 292.

What year did the family arrive in South Australia?
So far, I have only found one family arriving in South Australia with only two children Lucy and Charles in 1877. Father was a bricklayer.

Charles Davis died in 1909 and in a newspaper, article published on the 28th of October 1909 it states that he arrived in Australia around 31 years ago (1877/1878).

Parents John Church & Eliza Yemm - married 04/10/1860 at St Michael, Abenhall.

John deserted the family in 1866. Their children were bording with who I believe are Eliza's parents. William Yemm (80) & Mary Yemm (81) at Baby Lane, Abinghall. His broethers were John F (Frank) Church and Albert Church.

Only records of William is his Royal Engineer service records - Joined 01/01/1890 to16/12/1899 Home based service. South Africa 17/12/1899 to 22/08/1902 - Discharge Chatham.

Looking for any help or information for 1881 census, marriages etc.

As not sure when he left the area or if he came back and married locally.

Thank you in advance

Paul

I know this is an old post, but I am interested in connecting with you if you see this. I have information about your son, my husband.

There maybe a record of a T H James Sheepfarmer in the area

and a number of JAMES family burials in the Selwyn area

Sorry to hear of your loss.

When we lived in Woodend, North Canterbury a few years ago, we lived in a subdivision established by a James family. One of the lanes was named Lydney Lane, so I assume they named it that for a reason!

I wonder if they are a part of the Forest of Dean mob that has migrated in dribs and drabs to North Canterbury like my FoD ancestors? Do you know of this branch of the James family?

I only met one of them - the widow of one of the James brothers, called Pauline James. We lived not far from her and equidistant on the other side of us in the subdivision was her brother in law (brother of her late husband), but we never met him.

I could contact Pauline for you if you are curious. It is only the James/Lydney Lane coincidence that suggests a connection.

Best wishes, John