Hope this link works (btw it's always wise to open links in a new tab/page)

J

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%2...

Mike

I think I have established that Sarah's maiden name is Evans, born in Newland to Thomas and Anne Evans 1782. She had a sister Anne who married Thomas Howells and they were witnesses to Noah Cutters marriage to Anne Gough.

Edwin Bumford who was present in Penallt with Elmira (Mirah) is I believe Sarah's nephew. I think that her mother is Amelia Sarah's other sister who married Thomas Bumford. I found an entry for Edwin in 1861 census which describes him as dumb.

I can still find no entry for Anne Gough's death nor a marriage to Sarah but maybe Sarah and Noah just moved to Monmouth to live together and raise their 3 children.

I am still waiting for Selina's marriage cert (it is due) to confirm the maiden name of her mother

Thank you both so much again - I wouldn't have got this far without your help
Chris

GR 1861 Census, Bristol, St Paul, Brunswick? Place

Geo. LANE, Head, Mar, 42, Plasterer, b. Ross, Hereford
H LANE, Wife, Mar, 42, Dress maker, Monmouth
Geo LANE, Son 13, Bristol
Wm LANE, Son, 12, Bristol
C H LANE, Daur, 9, Bristol
J H LANE, Son, 7, Bristol
Sarah ROBBINS, Mother-in-law, Widow, 75, Monmouth
A J GRIFFITHS, Visitor, Un, 22, Dress maker, Monmouth

Is this a possibility for her death?

GR England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name Sarah Ann
Last Name Robbins
Gender Female
Year 1865
Birth Year
Birth Month
Birth Day
District Bristol
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Volume 6A
Event Quarter 4
District Number
Page 43
Line Number 36
Entry Number

Have you considered that Selina was a late baptism? There are many examples of this in the records.

Going back a few posts, Edwin BUMFORDS parents were Thomas and Amelia. His baptism is on FamilySearch.

We went to St Briavels last week. They have an alphabetical list of burials together with the corresponding plot number on a map. We were able to identify a Cutter grave but couldn't read it as had been obliterated with the passage of time. I need to contact the church again to find out if they have a list of who is in the graves. There were Gough graves there too.

I need to look at the 1851 and 1861 census to see if I can find out more about where the Cutters lived and Sarah Robbins.

Thanks so much for your help so far
Warm regards
Chris

You may find the Mongenes website of help to you. The Penalt Registers have been transcribed and are in a searchable database on that site.

Mike

Bristol Times and Mirror - Saturday 04 August 1849

Bristol police court. MONDAY.

Harriet Bumford was charged with stealing clothes, the property of her father, Thomas Bumford. This day fortnight the prisoner, during her mother’s temporary absence from home, stole £2 worth of bed and other clothing, and pledged it all with various pawnbrokers. She committed a similar offence some time ago, when her father forgave her, and continued to maintain her, although she was nearly 19 years old; but, he said, she had always behaved ungratefully for kindness. The prisoner was remanded for the production of further evidence.

And might this be Thomas the younger?

Western Daily Press - Saturday 10 July 1869

The Suicide in St. PAUL's.-

Yesterday an inquest was held on the body of Thomas Bumford, aged 38, who had hanged himself on the previous evening. The evidence showed that some months ago the deceased, who was a plasterer, and also kept the Saracens Head beer house, Water Street, St Pauls, was seized with fits which had continued at intervals up to the time of his death. About a fortnight since his wife told him of some debts that were owing, including a quarter’s rent. This had the effect of depressing him, and on Thursday night, between eight and nine o’clock, he went upstairs and hanged himself by means of a plaid woollen scarf to the rail of the bed. Twenty minutes afterwards he was discovered by one of his sons, suspended by the neck and with his knees upon the floor of the room. The jury returned a verdict that the deceased committed suicide whilst in a state of temporary insanity.

I’ll take another look at James Robbins family to see if there’s another Sarah. I havent got access to the census data until Monday so cant check if she is on subsequent census with James. It could well be that she left him not long after her marriage to go to Bristol which is why Elmira followed on too.

I have been in touch with someone who is digitalising the Penallt parish records to find out any details from her.

Good call

Thanks again
Chris

1/ I could not find Sarah Robbins in the 1851 or 1861 Census hence the possible death in 1846. This is the burial:

Name: Sarah Robbins
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1785
Burial Date: 29 Nov 1846
Burial Place: Bristol, St George, Gloucestershire, England
Burial Age: 61

2/ There is a Staunton near the border of Gloucestershire and Worcestershire and a Staunton in the Forest of Dean between Coleford and Monmouth. The marriage of Noah Cutter to Anne Gough took place in the latter.

Mike

Unfortunately our library closed at 4.30 so I need to go back next week. Funnily enough we used to live in Malvern and have friends in nearby Staunton where Anne Gough was born, I agree it looks like maybe she’d been widowed before she marries Noah. At the time it was unusual for people to get to an old age - saying that if correct it looks like Thomas cutter lived to 100!
Ok thanks again and onwards and upwards,
I’m indebted to you for all the help