I am researching William Briscoe and have a family line from William b1795 in Ireland and Married to Johanna Aylward b c1803 in Ireland through to his son William b c1825 and who was a forest keeper at Sallow Vallets Lodge. My intest now is tracing William's 2 wives Sofia Mountjoy b c1825 and Mary Anne Thomas b 1821 and who was the sister of Sofia. Mary Ann married John Thomas b1847 and they married about1853 and I think he died about 1858.
Mary Ann had 2 daugthers. Elizabeth SM Thomas appears to have had 8 children in 10 years all? registered as Thomas including my grandfather Owen, but were all living with William at Sallow Vallets but appear on the 1901 census as Briscoe. Does anybody who the father was, the birth certificate for Owen has no father registered. Werethey adopteded by William when Elizabeth died

SOPHIA MOUNTJOY

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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 18 NOV 1827 Little Dean, Gloucester, England

Age at Christening: 4
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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM MOUNTJOY
Mother: SOPHY

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C029961 1813 - 1875 0091530 Film 6911755 Film
Sheet: 00

Year: 1827
Month: Nov
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: MOUNTJOY
Child_Forenames: Sophia
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sophy
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hundred of St Brevals
Occupation: Coal Miner
Officiating_Minister: Heathfield Hickes Officiating Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter 4 years old
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Littledean

1841
Sophia Williams abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Lea, Gloucestershire
Ann Mountjoy abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Lea, Gloucestershire
Jame Mountjoy abt 1823 Gloucestershire, England Lea, Gloucestershire
John Mountjoy abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Lea, Gloucestershire
Mary Mountjoy abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Lea, Gloucestershire
Sophia Mountjoy abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Lea, Gloucestershire
Thomas Mountjoy abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Lea, Gloucestershire

MARY ANNE MOUNTJOY
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 NOV 1820 Newland, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: JAMES MOUNTJOY
Mother: MARIA
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C036201 1813 - 1877 0856961 Film 6911882 Film
Sheet: 00

Year: 1820
Month: Nov
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: MOUNTJOY
Child_Forenames: Mary Anne
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname: `
Residence: Clearwell
Occupation: Nailer
Officiating_Minister: P M Procter-Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 45
Parish_Chapel: Newland

Is this the same James Mountjoy and Maria Blake posted 5th July 2005 by Slowhands. Does anybody know if there is any relationship between James and William Mountjoy.
Also Is there any relationship between either of these two and Joseph Thomas Mountjoy who married Elizabeth Ann Briscoe and emigrated to New Zealand

1851 near Latimer Lodge
William Burcar abt 1795 Kilkeney, Ireland Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joanna Burcar abt 1810 Kilkeney, Ireland Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Burcar abt 1827 Kilkeney, Ireland Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Burcar abt 1828 Kilkeney, Ireland Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Catherine Burcar abt 1835 Kilkeney, Ireland Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Burcar abt 1837 Kilkeney, Ireland Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Burcar abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joanna Burcar abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Burcar abt 1844 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire

1851 East Dean
BRISCOE William 26 Woodman Ireland
Sophia 27 East Dean
William 3 East Dean
John 1 East Dean

1861
William Briscoe abt 1825 Ireland Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Sophia Briscoe abt 1825 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Ann Briscoe abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
George Richard Briscoe abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
John Frederick Briscoe abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Briscoe abt 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Sophia Briscoe abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
William Edward Briscoe abt 1848 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1871
William Briscoe abt 1825 Ireland Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Briscoe abt 1831 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Ann Briscoe abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Richard Briscoe abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Sophia Briscoe abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth S M Thomas abt 1856 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece West Dean

1881
William Briscoe abt 1826 Ireland Head Sallow Vallets Lodge, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Briscoe abt 1821 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Sallow Vallets Lodge, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth S. Thomas abt 1856 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Niece Sallow Vallets Lodge, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth S. Thomas abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece Sallow Vallets Lodge, West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1891
Briscoe, William abt 1827 Ireland Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Briscoe, Mary Ann abt 1818 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Briscoe, George H abt 1875 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Nephew West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas, Elizabeth S abt 1856 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Niece West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas, Elizabeth S abt 1881 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas, Jane S abt 1886 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas, Martin H abt 1889 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Nephew West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas, Mirah A abt 1883 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Niece West Dean Gloucestershire

1901 Hawthorns
Fredk Meeks abt 1876 Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Hope Mansel Herefordshire
Elizabeth S Meeks abt 1880 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hope Mansel Herefordshire
William H Meeks abt 1898 Drybrook, Gloucestershire, England Son Hope Mansel Herefordshire
John Briscoe abt 1882 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Brother-in-law Hope Mansel Herefordshire
Matthew Briscoe abt 1889 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Brother-in-law Hope Mansel Herefordshire
Myra Annie Briscoe abt 1883 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Sister-in-law Hope Mansel Herefordshire
Owen Briscoe abt 1891 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Brother-in-law Hope Mansel Herefordshire
Randolph Briscoe abt 1887 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Brother-in-law Hope Mansel Herefordshire
William Briscoe abt 1885 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Brother-in-law Hope Mansel Herefordshire

Well, just stumbled on the Briscoe family in 1841 !

HO 107 / 364 /8 folio 9
Little Dean Lodge

William BRISCOE 63 Forest Keeper
Johanna 36
William 17
Henary 15
Richard 13
Edward 10
John 5
Catherine 8
Jane 2
Elizabeth 6m

All except Jane and Elizabeth born out of country, I ( Ireland)

Your 1901 Census entry includes an Owen Briscoe.
My main area of research is the Marfell family.
I have an Owen Briscoe who married Bernice Lily Marfell at Westbury on Severn Register Office on 3.2.1909. The marriage certificate shows him as being 19 his father William Briscoe a deceased Gamekeeper. Address shown as Hazel Hill, East Dean. Owen & Bernice had 4 children Irene, Kathleen, Minnie & Nancy. I would like to know if this is the same Owen.

The 1891 entry ( transcribed above) has William Briscoe as Woodman and Crown Keeper,.... ( beginning to look like a good match !)

Hawthorns and Hazel Hill are opposite sides of the Road just north of Drybrook

Thanks for your quick respones. Yes on the face of it the occupation and location make for a good match, but the age gap does not; Owen Robinson Briscoe was born abt. 1890 and the William in the above census was born 1826.

I have not been able to locate the Owen shown in your 1901 Census or his brothers and sisters in the 1891 Census for Gloucestershire. Whilst Hazel Hill, Harry Hill, Ruardean, Drybrook, Hawthorns etc, are to be found for the same person in subsequent census, this is not the case with Hope Mansell.

1901
Source information: RG13/2475
Registration district: Ross
Sub-registration district: Ross
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Folio: 69
Page: 3
Household schedule number: 14

The next property in Census is the Crown Inn, which I place near the Euroclydon at Hawthorns.

I have a copy of the Census page if you want it mailed over ( mail me off list please)

1891
Source information: RG12/4340
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Folio: 36
Page: 15

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1890
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Thomas Owen Robinson Monmouth 11a 21

I think this is his BMD ref, in later life he took on the BRISCOE surname, and kept Robinson.

The first post on this stream puts this in context , and also asks other questions as yet unanswered - sadly they may never be.

Hi all
I initiated this thread and to start as way of explanation my mother is Nancy daughter of Owen Robinson Briscoe and Bernice Lily Marfell. I have had alot of help from alot of people.
As far as I can work out William Briscoe b1795 and Johanna Aylward came from Ireland and settled in Lattimer Lodge as Keeper for the Forest of Dean.
His son Williambecame keeper at Sallow Vallets Lodge and married Sophia Mountjoy and had 7 children. Sophia died about 1860 and William married Mary Ann Thomas sister to Sophia. She had 2 daughters by her first Husband John Thomas. Elizabeth Sophia Mountjoy Thomas and Mirah. Elizabeth had 8 children. I have the birth certificate for Owen R and it has no father listed.Elizabeth SM died in 1892 and i assume the children were adopted by William Briscoe, as they appear in the 1901 census as Briscoe's.
By the way I think the Robinson connection was Mary and Sophia's
mother 's maiden name.
I have been to FOD to look for for Sallow Vallets lodge and I also came across the tombstone for Timothy Marfell,Selina Ann Raymond Reginald and Winfred Alice.
Jim if you want all the details please feel free to e-mail me
Now I need help.
I have the Marriage certificate for Mary Ann Thomas and John Thomas. It shows he was a widower. Was he John Trotter Thomas and was he married to Ann Teague as one of the witnesses on the Marriage certificate was M A Teague?

Hi Peter

What a find, getting in touch with you. I am sure we can help one another and would like to be able to Email you direct, but not sure how we do this.

We are very closely related. I think we would be first cousins twice removed as my relationship to your mother is first cousin once removed.

My grandmather Jane Kate Marfell, was Bernice Marfells sister. I too have seen the tombstone and have a picture, I also have a picture of Timothy & family, which includes Bernice. I have Timothy's birth & marriage certificate, also as previously stated Owen Robinson Briscoe's marriage certificate. I would be happy to share photographs and certificates - I would like to see Owen's birth certificate.

From our great grand parents Timothy Marfell & Selina Ann Harber, I can go back a further 9 generations. I have 1450 Marfells in my Family Tree of almost 10,000 people.

The only Ann Teague I have in my Family Tree is one born 1781 who married Moses Marfell born 1774 in Newlands 19.8.1799

I arranged a Marfell "Gathering" in the Forest of Dean, which took place only last Saturday, and there met Winifred Irene Carpenter nee Marfell & Mary Alice Drabble nee Marfell, who are daughters of Raymond Reginald Timothy Marfell, brother of Bernice.

I look forward to hearing from you, perhaps the web master can pass on Email addresses. I am sure we can help each other.

Regards

Jim Ashton, Locking Village, Weston Super Mare, England

Link to the entry:
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=1275#p1275

Many thanks to all who have contributed to this tread particularly Slow hands
and Jim Ashton