Hello,

Although my Williams family originate from Llandogo, my gr grandfather came to Coalway and married Martha nee Rosser.

He was Henry John Williams who is listed as a publican (Crown Inn) and butcher at Coalway in the 1890's and early 1900's

Martha died soon after their second child Olive was born (1902) and Olive was brought up in Coleford by a family called (I believe) Wyatt.

I am looking for background info, as I also believe Martha was an artist and a schoolmistress but I can't seem to find out any more than that.

Does anyone know anything about these families or where the butchers shop was?
or can someone please point me towards some records that may help.

In 1901 ( looks like Teague rather than Rosser ?)

Gladys Teague Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean Monmouthshire
Glice Teague Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder West Dean Monmouthshire
William E Teague 29 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Brother-in-law West Dean Monmouthshire
Fredrick Williams 8 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Henry J Williams 36 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Mallie Williams Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire

Crown Inn Parkend Road , Coalway ( is I think still there today)

I had a relative who had a Forest Inn and was also described as "butcher/ inn keeper" - I have assumed that he traded from the same premises - a back room.

I intrigued by the Teagues above

so in 1881 they are in Shortstanding in 1891 a Berry Hil farm

1881 in shortstanding
Edward Teague abt 1811 Casterspine, Gloucestershire, England Father West Dean
Edward Teague abt 1846 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean
John Teague abt 1876 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean
Mary Ann Teague abt 1851 Much Markel, Hereford, England Wife West Dean
Mary Ann Teague abt 1879 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
Minnie Teague abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Niece West Dean
Rosa E.G. Teague abt 1881 Ct Church, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean
William Teague abt 1872 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean

Minnie from Bream ?

In 1871 again in Berry Hill I found this 1 year old female Teague ( possibly Minnie)in a coal mining family

Elizabeth J Teague 4 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Henry C Teague 6 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Mary A Teague 35 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Rosa M Teague 1 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas Teague 34 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire

1871 Pilstone Farm Whitebrook

Annie Williams 17 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Llandogo Monmouthshire
Bessie Williams 3 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Llandogo Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Williams 37 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife Llandogo Monmouthshire
Frederick Williams 10 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Son Llandogo Monmouthshire
Henry Williams 6 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Son Llandogo Monmouthshire
James Williams 12 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Son Llandogo Monmouthshire
John Williams 47 Penalt, Monmouth, Wales Servant Llandogo Monmouthshire
John Williams 20 Monmouth, Wales Visitor Llandogo Monmouthshire
William Williams 40 Trelleck, Monmouth, Wales Head Llandogo Monmouthshire
William Williams 14 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Son Llandogo Monmouthshire

Source information: RG10/5305
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Trelleck
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Folio: 71
Page: 13
Household schedule number: 72

1881 Pilstone Farm Whitebrook
Elizabeth Davies abt 1809 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Llandogo
Elizabeth Williams abt 1833 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife Llandogo
Elizabeth Williams abt 1867 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Llandogo
Frederick Williams abt 1861 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Son Llandogo
John Williams abt 1865 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Son Llandogo
William Williams abt 1831 Trelleck, Monmouth, Wales Head Llandogo
William Williams abt 1856 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Son Llandogo

1891 Crown Inn
Henry John Williams 26 Pilston - Publican and Butcher
Mattie Williams 26 Lydney Glos

So who is Mattie / Martha ?

a posible studying Out of county
in 1881 South College Headlands Road Kettering Northampton

Martha J Rosser 18 Liddon (Lydney ?) Gloucestershire

ª 1871 Pilstone Farm Whitebrook
ª

Thank you for your replies. The Pilstone Williams family is the right one and I have traced them back quite a way into their Welsh origins. It is that "grey" area just beyond living memory that interests me at present. I only have family stories with little corroboration.

Mattie is Martha Jane Williams nee Rosser, bapt Lydney 21 Oct 1860. She seems to be Martha on most official records (the exception being the 1891 census where she is listed as Mattie). She married Henry John Williams at St Johns Parish Church in Coleford on 25th January, 1887. She was the daughter of James Rosser who went to N Zealand (her sister is listed as born in NZ) but James and his family returned home when he inherited a share in a coal mine at Broadwell near Coleford.

Your notes about Martha studying out of county are interesting and I will do some spadework around that. How did you find that info?

The Crown Inn is now the only Pub open in Coalway. It did cross my mind that he may have had a butchers there but I have no proof. There used to be a field at the back of it where Sheep sales were held, I think the notices that were put out at the entrance gate read something like the Williams memorial sheep sale. Then houses were built on the field only a few years ago.

The Teagues you mentioned as boarders at Henry John's home in Edenwall:- he was also a butcher and is listed in Kellys as such in Coalway Lane End. It is interesting to note that the land adjoining the cottage (now a golf course) was owned by a Teague family at that time.

Slowhands, You know an awful lot about the Forest and where to look things up, and I for one, am very grateful to you.

I think my next step will have to be to the library for old books and the
newspaper archives. Then I can move on to look for Annie, William and Fred.

Many thanks

"It is that "grey" area just beyond (living) memory that interests me at present." - That'll be last week then !!

lets just say my "roots" are in the Forest and I have a reasonable experience of where to look

regards

Dear May,
My great grandfather was Edwin Taylor Williams of Llandogo born 1869 died 1915 and buried at the church in Llandogo.
He was married twice, first to Lydia Mary Moulton (widow) nee Payne,
second marriage to my great grandmother, Mabel (I dont know her maiden name ! ) from Catbrook.

Edwins father was a John Williams from Llandogo, Trelleck. Do you think he was one of the Williams from Pilstone farm and that Edwins grandfather was William Williams ?

A William John Williams is listed as a witness on the certificate of Edwin`s first marriage, in 1893.

I would be ever so grateful if you could give me any more info on the Pilstone farm Williams.

William Williams abt 1831 Trelleck, Monmouth, Wales Head Llandogo
William Williams abt 1856 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Son Llandogo
John Williams abt 1865 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Son Llandogo

Many thanks Lorraine

Possible parents for John
Williams, George, Trellech,
Maria, Young, Llandogo, Trellech, L, 28/08/1804

1841 The Narth
George Williams abt 1771 Monmouthshire, Wales Trelleck, Monmouthshire Gardener
John Williams abt 1826 Monmouthshire, Wales Trelleck, Monmouthshire Mason

Year: 1847
Month: Mar
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: WILLIAMS
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: F[ull] A[ge]
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Mason
Grooms_Residence: Llandogo Monmouth
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WILLIAMS
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Gardener
Brides_Surname: HOPKINS
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age: F[ull] A[ge]
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Llandogo Monmouth
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HOPKINS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Publican
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of William Hopkins
Witness_2: Mark of Sarah Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth

1851 next door to Red Lion pub Llandogo
John Williams 28 Mason
Mary Ann Williams 27
Albert Williams 2
Julia Williams 2
Isabella Williams 1 MO

Name: Milbro Elizabeth Williams
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 48

Year: 1854
Month: Mat
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: WILLIAMS
Child_Forenames: Milborough Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Llandogo
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth

1861
John Williams abt 1823 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llandogo, Monmouthshire Mason
Mary Ann Williams abt 1828 Landogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Milbia Williams abt 1855 Landogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llandogo, Monmouthshire
William Williams abt 1857 Landogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llandogo, Monmouthshire

Year: 1869
Month: Sep
Day: 25
Surname: WILLIAMS
Forenames: Mary Anne
Residence: Llandogo
Age_at_death: 44
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth

Name: Victor Williams
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 46

1871 Llandogo
John Williams 50 Mason Widow
Milbrs Williams 17
Nelson Williams 15
Victor Williams 5
Mary A Williams 3

1871 Llandogo
William Taylor 50 Newland Head
Elizabeth Taylor 48 Llandogo Wife
Edvin T Williams 1 Llandogo Adopted Son

Name: Edwin Taylor Williams
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 44

Year: 1869
Month: Dec
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: WILLIAMS
Child_Forenames: Edwin Taylor
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Anna
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Llandogo
Occupation: Mason
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth

1881
Elizabeth Taylor abt 1823 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Head Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Edwin T. Williams abt 1870 Llandogo, Monmouth, Wales Nephew Llandogo, Monmouthshire

1891
Thomas Hopkins abt 1830 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Taylor abt 1824 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Sister Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Edwin T Williams abt 1870 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Nephew Llandogo, Monmouthshire

Name: Edwin Taylor Williams
name:Lydia Mary Moulton
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 288

1901
Edwin T Williams abt 1870 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Lydia M Williams abt 1856 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Mabel Morris abt 1883 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Servant Llandogo, Monmouthshire

Name: Mabel Isabella Tamplin
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 37

Name: Edwin Taylor Williams
name: Mabel Isabel Tamplin
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 49

1911
WILLIAMS EDWIN TAYLOR M 1870 41 Monmouth Monmouthshire
WILLIAMS MABEL F 1891 20 Monmouth Monmouthshire
WILLIAMS HILDA F 1911 2 MONTHS Monmouth Monmouthshire
WILLIAMS MARY F 1910 1 Monmouth Monmouthshire

further possible children :-

Abia E Williams 1912 Jul-Aug-Sep Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Bettie Williams 1913 Jan-Feb-Mar Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Reginald G Williams 1913 Jul-Aug-Sep Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Kathleen C Williams 1914 Jul-Aug-Sep Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Edwin T J Williams 1915 Jul-Aug-Sep Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire

Name: Edwin T Williams
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 45
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 39

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Dear Slowhands

Thank you so much for taking the trouble to research so much info, there`s no way I`d have found all this out.

I`ve taken time to reply because my brain`s been a-boggle working out the possible connections thrown up by these facts.
I conclude that Edwin Taylor Williams`s (my great grandfather) mother Mary Ann died either giving birth to him or in the subsequent months of 1869. In the 1871 census Edwin Taylor (now aged 2) is not listed as living with his father John Williams 50 widower and his 4 other children. Edwin Taylor next appears on the census for 1881 now aged 12 and living with his maternal aunt Elizabeth Taylor nee Hopkins aged 58.

Then when he is 22 in the 1891 census still living with his aunt, 68, and her brother, his uncle Thomas Hopkins ,60. Do you think he was unofficially adopted by his aunt Elizabeth and her husband Mr Taylor on the death of his mother ?

This would tie in with his unusual middle name, Taylor. Maybe the Taylors were well-off and Edwin inherited from them on their death, because family legend always had it that Edwin was wealthier than the other Williams.

At 24 he married Lydia Mary Payne 37 , considerably older than him, I wonder if this was tied in with losing his mother so young ? Although I must add that his 2nd wife Mabel Tamplin my great grandmother was only 16 or 17 at time of marriage.

Could you advise me how to find out any more information i.e. marriage and death certificates of Elizabeth Taylor nee Hopkins ? How would I go about finding any Marriage or family photos ?
The only relevant one my family had was of Edwin as part of the Llandogo cricket team circa 1900s. He was a church warden at Llandogo church as well.

Thanks & Best Wishes
Lorraine

By the dates childbirth at a guess :-(

Year: 1869
Month: Sep
Day: 25
Surname: WILLIAMS
Forenames: Mary Anne
Residence: Llandogo
Age_at_death: 44
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_No:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth

I wonder if Edwin is at the Sloop Inn in Llandogo in 1871 ? { update probably not}

1871 Sloop Inn Llandogo ????
Mary A Brislard 37 born Trelleck
Edwin C Brislard 2 born Llandogo ????

1861
Edwin Brisland abt 1834 Landogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Mary A Brisland abt 1834 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Eliza A Brisland abt 1861 Landogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llandogo, Monmouthshire

Name: Edwin Albert Brisland
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 41

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Dear Slowhands

The Sloop inn , Llandogo, was one of the places that me and my grandmother, Milbro, often stayed back in the 1960s and early 1970s when we had our annual holiday back down to visit her sisters, It didn`t belong to any Williams by that date but my gran said that her uncle ( cousin?) Victor Williams used to own it. Indeed on her father`s, Edwin Taylor Williams, death certificate the Sloop is listed as Victor William`s(nephew) address.
Other addresses associated with my branch of the williams family:

LLandogo Inglewood house
The Cabin

Monmouth Dixton Gate cottages (left to Mabel williams after death of husband Edwin)

Another pub listed as belonging to Edwin was the Lion pub. I never saw this in Llandogo. Do you know where it was? There was one of the same name in Trellech.

How`s the snow in your part of the world today?

Best Wishes
Lorraine

Another pub listed as belonging to Edwin was the Lion pub. I never saw this in Llandogo. Do you know where it was?

As you know the Sloop is on the Monmouth - Chepstow road, if you come a short distance south towards Chepstow there was also a Ship Inn.

If you had gone a short distance south west from the Sloop up on the wooded area of the valley, there is a road running sort of parallel with the main Wye valley road and that is where the Lion Inn was. Cleddon Shoots behind it.

roughly Inglewood, Llandogo, Monmouth NP25 4TQ. :-

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4ADBF_en-GBGB310GB310&q=inglewood+...

or
http://www.landregistry.gov.uk/www/wps/portal/!ut/p/c1/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gf...

Is your Cabin nearer the Narth than Llandogo ?

The Cabin,The Narth Rd,The Narth,Monmouth,Gwent,NP25 4AG
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBF_en-GBGB310GB310&q=%22the+cabin%...

PS
update to prior note - the real Edwin found in Llandogo 1871

1851 Llandogo
James Taylor 62 Pilstone ? HER Builder
Ann Taylor 63 Kentchurch HER
William Taylor 30 Newland Carpenter
Charles Taylor 28 Newland Carpenter

1851 Red Lion Llandogo
William Hopkin 62 Llandogo
Elizabeth Hopkin 62 Newent
Elizabeth Hopkin 28 Llandogo
Thomas Hopkin 22 Llandogo

Year: 1852
Month: Dec
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: TAYLOR
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: F[ull] A[ge]
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Carpenter
Grooms_Residence: Llandogo Monmouth
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: TAYLOR
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Carpenter
Brides_Surname: HOPKINS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: F[ull] A[ge]
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: School Mistress
Brides_Residence: Llandogo Monmouth
Brides_Fathers_Surname: HOPKINS
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Publican
Licence_or_Banns:
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Thomas Morrisson
Witness_2: Diane Young
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth

1861 Lion Inn
William Taylor abt 1821 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Llandogo, Monmouthshire Joiner and Inn Keeper
Elizabeth Taylor abt 1823 Landogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Edward Gunter abt 1805 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Llandogo, Monmouthshire

1871 Llandogo
William Taylor 50 Newland Head Turner
Elizabeth Taylor 48 Llandogo Wife
Edvin T Williams 1 Llandogo Adopted Son

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Year: 1880
Month: Mar
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: WILLIAMS
Child_Forenames: Victor James Albert
Fathers_Forenames: Albert George
Mothers_Forenames: Dessie
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Llandogo
Occupation: Builder
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Llandogo Monmouth

Name: Victor James A Williams
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 42

1881
James Williams abt 1801 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Maria Williams abt 1818 Cwmcarvan Wife Llandogo, Monmouthshire
View Record
Dessie Williams abt 1852 Llandogo Daughter Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Albert G. Williams abt 1848 Llandogo Son in Law Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Victor Jas.A. Williams Albert G. abt 1880 Llandogo Grandson Llandogo, Monmouthshire

1891
Albert B Williams abt 1848 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Dossie Williams abt 1852 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Victor J A Williams abt 1880 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llandogo, Monmouthshire

1901
Albert G Williams abt 1848 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Llandogo, Monmouthshire Mason
Annie E Williams abt 1865 Maidstone Barning, Kent, England Wife Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Victor J A Williams abt 1880 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Llandogo, Monmouthshire Leg turner

1901 Grocers shop
Ellen Hodges abt 1851 Llandogo, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Llandogo, Monmouthshire
Eva Hodges abt 1875 Llantamam, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Llandogo, Monmouthshire

Name: Eva Jane Hodges
Name: Victor James A Williams
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 51

1911
WILLIAMS VICTOR M 1880 31 Monmouth Monmouthshire
WILLIAMS EVA F 1875 36 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Name: Victor J A Williams
Death Registration Month/Year: 1951
Age at death (estimated): 71
Registration district: Abergavenny
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 59

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Name: Mabel Isabella Tamplin
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 37

Year: 1890
Month: Sep
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: TAMPLING
Child_Forenames: Mabel Isabella
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Trelleck Monmouth
Occupation: Woodman
Officiating_Minister: J Rawlings
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Baptised at Whitelye Chapel
Notes: Duplicated entry number hence I have added the B (and A on the earlier one)
Register_Reference: 3
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth Bible Christian

1891
James Tamplin abt 1854 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Eliza Tamplin abt 1859 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Sezie E Tamplin abt 1886 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Martha Tamplin abt 1888 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Mary J Tamplin abt 1889 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Mable Y Tamplin abt 1890 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Edwin Phillips abt 1866 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Nephew Trelleck, Monmouthshire

1901
James Tamplin abt 1855 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Eliza Tamplin abt 1859 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Lizzie E Tamplin abt 1886 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Martha Tamplin abt 1888 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Mary J Tamplin abt 1890 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Mabel Tamplin abt 1891 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Hilda Tamplin abt 1894 Trelleck, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trelleck, Monmouthshire

<><><><><> discounted
Name: Mabel Isabella Williams
Birth Date: 27 Mar 1889
Death Registration Month/Year: 1976
Registration district: Haringey
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12
Page: 1876

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Dear Slowhands,

Thank you for all the further info. I`ve been pouring over it and I think i`m starting to get a picture !
Looks like my great grandfather`s (Edwin Taylor Williams ) mother died giving birth to him ( aged 44 and her 9th child ), he was then handed over to Elizabeth Taylor (!!) her 48 yr old sister and her husband , William Taylor, ( publican of the Sloop or the Ship ,Llandogo ). Was it an official adoption ? Were the Taylors childless ?
I think my great grandfather maybe felt some rejection from all this, because nobody in the family knew about his mother`s death at childbirth nor that he was adopted.

I think he still stayed close to some of his family, my nan mentioned her aunts Milbro and Mary ( she and her elder sister were named after ) also her uncle Victor. The one Edwin seemed to have been closest to was his nephew Victor, the one that you revealed married Eva Hodges, whose parents ran the grocery shop in Llandogo. This Victor is listed as present on both the death certificates of Edwin and his first wife Lydia Mary. Victor williams address is given as the Rosery (?) and the Sloop Llandogo. Edwin`s first marriage was childless and it looks like his nephew victor, who was edwin`s eldest brother Albert`s son, acted as a surrogate son.
Unfortunately I never met Victor ,if he died in 1951, it was before my time. I do remember a very nice couple at the Llandogo grocery shop in the 1960s but don`t know if they were Williams or Hodges.

The addresses you gave me all make sense, the lion pub which was next to Inglewood house, llandogo. This is the house my gran was born in.The Cabin was not the one in the Narth, if I remember rightly, next to Inglewood house there was a narrow footpath that ran up the side of the garden, at the top of this was the Cabin, which Edwin or one of the Williams had built for his second wife Mabel and their ever increasing family. I think he sold Inglewood circa 1912 ( hard times ?)
I`d love to know where Edwin lived with the Taylors and when he acquired Inglewood. I`d love to see inside Inglewood, though I expect it`s much changed now.

The Mabel Isabella Tamplin you mentioned I don`t think is my great grandmother because she died in 1945 and lived in Monmouth, she was in her early 40s. Strangely I`m pretty sure that Her maiden name was Tamplin, could there have been two ?

Once again thank you so much for all this fascinating info which has enabled me to find out so much about my family.

Best Wishes
Lorraine

Hi

Your depth of feedback makes "helping" so much more rewarding :-)

Thanks
S

PS

my great grandmother because she died in 1945 and lived in Monmouth, she was in her early 40s. Strangely I`m pretty sure that Her maiden name was Tamplin

I wonder if she became :-

Name: Mabel I Barrett
Death Registration Month/Year: 1945
Age at death (estimated): 54
Registration district: Abergavenny
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 14

via this marriage, after Edwin's death in 1915 :-

Name: Mabel I Williams
Spouse : Alexander Barrett
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration district: Monmouth
Registration county (inferred): Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 47

<><><><> Is this husband Alexander ? 1896 - 1968

Name: Alexander Barrett
Death Registration Month/Year: 1968
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 280

1901
Richard Darrett abt 1854 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Head Hamfallow, Gloucestershire
Fanny Darrett abt 1854 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hamfallow, Gloucestershire
Oscar J Darrett abt 1885 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Hamfallow, Gloucestershire
Lionel R Darrett abt 1887 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Hamfallow, Gloucestershire
Millicent S Darrett abt 1889 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Hamfallow, Gloucestershire
Ernest Darrett abt 1891 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Hamfallow, Gloucestershire
Christopher T Darrett abt 1894 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Hamfallow, Gloucestershire
Alexander Darrett abt 1897 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Hamfallow, Gloucestershire

Name: Alexander Barrett
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Thornbury
County: Avon, Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 219

1881
Richard Barrett abt 1854 Bevington, Gloucestershire, England Lodger (Head) (Lodger) Berkeley - Hamfallow, Gloucestershire Mariner

1871
Richard Barrett 60
Elizabeth Barrett 57
Richard Barrett 16
Sarah Munday 70

1861
Richard Barrett abt 1808 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Head Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Barrett abt 1814 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Thomas Barrett abt 1851 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Sarah Barrett abt 1853 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Berkeley, Gloucestershire
Richard Barrett abt 1855 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Berkeley, Gloucestershire

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Hello Lorraine,

To follow up my off-site email last weekend, I came online tonight to confirm details of the Edwin Williams in my Family Tree.

Edwin was born 1899 at Chapel Hill, son of James (b Pilstone 1859), and grandson of William Williams ( b 1831 Trellech) and who lived at Pilstone until the 1880's.

I am delighted to see that Slowhands has given you useful info on your Edwin Williams. Good luck with your research and, thank you Slowhands.

May

Hello Slowhands,

Spot on ! This is the Mabel who was my great grand mother,going by the dates you gave me it ties in with family legend that she was 17 when she married Edwin Taylor Williams. She had been the maid for both him and his first wife.......

Yes, Alexander Barret was Mabel williams second husband and thereby hangs a sad story. Barret had been in the First World War and as an aftermath suffered from what in those days was called shell-shock. I had no idea that he and Mabel had married so early on- 1918 , this would mean that my gran would have known her stepfather Barret for longer than she knew Edwin her father, but no one ever talked about him, he just seemed to have faded away. It was not until recent years that I heard that the poor man had been sent to a mental home. I was told that he had died around 1945 the same time as Mabel ) so it is a shock to discover that it was in fact 1968. How can I find out what actually happened to him ? Did he go to a mental asylum ? If so how old was he when admitted ? Did he die in there ? He and Mabel had a daughter around 1925, so he went presumably after that ?

Best Wishes

Lorraine

Dear May,

Thanks for getting back to me. It looks like our branches of the Williams family are more distantly related, mine seem to have been carpenters and publicans.

Slowhands has kindly done a lot of research and I have found out a great deal from this. It`s fascinating as it clarifies things a lot at last.
I feel like i am getting to know them .

Best Wishes and good luck with your research

Lorraine

I guess if you start with a copy of the death cert it should give an idea of where he was living etc.

A number of potential Williams / Barrett children are in the BMD list around 1925....

In the Pontypool area there were institutions in Griffithstown and Llanvrechva - long shot sorry - I hope the death cert gives some clues....

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