JOSEPH POPE
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 18 JUN 1837 Minchinhampton, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN POPE
Mother: SWINDONIAH
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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
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1841 Coleford Sparrowshill ?
John Pope abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Alfred Pope abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Harriet Pope abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Jesse Pope abt 1821 Newland Gloucestershire
Maria Pope abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire

1841 Amberley
Swindeniah Pope abt 1794 Gloucestershire, England Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Ann Pope abt 1824 Gloucestershire, England Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Emily Pope abt 1822 Gloucestershire, England Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Joseph Pope abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Minchinhampton Gloucestershire

1851 Littleworth, Amberley
Swindaniah Rope abt 1794 Mn Hampton, Gloucestershire, England Head Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Anne Rope abt 1826 Mn Hampton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Minchinhampton Gloucestershire
Joseph Rope abt 1837 Mn Hampton, Gloucestershire, England Son Minchinhampton Gloucestershire Cloth cutter
John Rope abt 1789 Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Minchinhampton Gloucestershire

1861 Littledean Hill
Joseph Pope abt 1837 Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire Tailor
Marrie Pope abt 1828 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Sister East Dean Gloucestershire

John Pope abt 1789 Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire

1871 near George Inn
Joseph Pope abt 1837 Amberley, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire Master Tailor
Agnes Pope abt 1841 Deptford, Kent, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Alexander Pope abt 1864 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Alfred Pope abt 1867 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Emmeline Pope abt 1869 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Joseph Pope abt 1865 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean

John Pope abt 1789 Rodbris Parish, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland Gloucestershire

1881 High St, Cinderford nr Fleece; Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Josh. Pope abt 1837 Mitchinghampton, Gloucestershire, England Tailor
Agnes E.A. Pope abt 1841 London, London, Middlesex, England Wife
Alexander Pope abt 1864 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son
Alfred Pope abt 1867 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son
Jesse James Pope abt 1874 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son
John Pope abt 1877 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son
Josh. Pope abt 1865 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son

1891 High Street Cinderford
Pope, Joseph abt 1846 Minchinhampton, Glos Head East Dean Gloucestershire Tailor
Pope, Agnes Ann abt 1841 Dodford, London, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Pope, Alfred abt 1868 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Pope, Berryon abt 1881 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Pope, Jesse abt 1874 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Pope, John abt 1876 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Pope, Mary abt 1884 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Glo

Kelly's Directory of Cinderford 1894

POPE Joseph, ladies' & gentlemen's tailor, woollen draper & boot maker

1901 High St Cinderford
Joseph Pope abt 1837 Minchinhampton Head East Dean Gloucestershire Tailor
Grenia E Pope abt 1841 Deptford Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Benj M H Pope abt 1882 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Louis I Pope abt 1879 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

Kelly's Directory - Cinderford 1902

POPE Joseph, ladies' * gentlemen's tailor, woollen draper & boot maker

Year: 1922
Month: Oct
Day: 9
Surname: POPE
Forenames: Agnes Elizabeth Ann
Residence: Coleford
Age_at_death: 81
Officiating_Minister: F W Baldwin Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/15
Page_No: 78
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

1901 Church Road Cinderford St John's
Alexander Pope abt 1864 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire Master Bootmaker
Edith Pope abt 1866 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean
Alfred Pope abt 1891 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Arthur J Pope abt 1892 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

I remember one of the Pope Family.Arthur Pope a boot and shoe maker had a shop in Cinderford High St During the WW2,it was situated almost opposite to the entrance to Woodgate Rd [Formerly Heywood].When you took in shoes for repair it was always a week to be ready and when you called for them they were never ready but would be the following day,invariably they were.I think he had his own special system.

Arthur Pope was my Great Grandfather. His son Alec Pope lived at the same address on High Street (48A) with his wife Helen (Rhona Helen Mary Baldwin) until his death in 2000. Alec was a keen geneaologist and local historian and has traced the Pope family back to Richard Pope and Mary Hollister of Stinchcombe in ~1620. I have his family tree (though sadly not the reams of source documentation he collected) if anyone is looking for information on local Popes.

both Alec and Ian Pope are well known for Forest Local History - books, articles etc...

I thought there might be a few on here who knew the name, and probably a few who were his good friends as well!

Hello, my name is Hedley Sutton, I was very interested in your posting. I am the grandson of Kitty (Agnes) Pope great grandson of Joseph Pope (Headmaster at Elwood school). Kitty married Frank Fuller (a teacher) and moved to Chalford near Stroud and had a sizeable family (10). My mother is still living in Minchinhampton, Her eldest sister Hilary lives in Gloucester (I am not 100% sure but she must be well into her 90's as my Mum is 86). I live in Cinderford.
I would be very interested in any information regarding the Pope family history.
Best regards
Hedley

Name: Joseph Pope
Name: Emma Thorpe
Year of Registration: 1890
[1890]
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Tonbridge
County: Kent, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 1167

1891 Ellwood
Joseph Pope abt 1865 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Pope abt 1862 Fordcombe, Kent, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Agnes Harriet Pope
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 25
Year: 1892
Month: May
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: POPE
Child_Forenames: Agnes Harriet
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Emma
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ellwood
Occupation: School Master
Officiating_Minister: Charles Edward Bentley Sen[io]r Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell

1901 Ellwood
Joseph Pope abt 1865 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire Elementary School Master
Emma Pope abt 1864 Speldhurst, Kent, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Agnes Pope abt 1893 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Emily A Pope abt 1894 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Mabe A Pope abt 1895 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire

1911
POPE JOSEPH M 1865 46 Monmouth Monmouthshire
POPE EMMA F 1864 47 Monmouth Monmouthshire
POPE EMILY ALICE F 1894 17 Monmouth Monmouthshire
POPE MABEL ANNIE F 1895 16 Monmouth Monmouthshire

1911
POPE AGNES HARRIET F 1893 18 Cheltenham Gloucestershire

Name: Frank P Fuller
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse: Agnes H Pope
District: Kensington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 303

Name: Agnes Harriet Fuller
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1892
Death Registration Month/Year: 1982
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1869

possible offspring include :-
Dorothy W K Fuller 1914 Apr-May-Jun Kent
Albert H Fuller 1915 Jul-Aug-Sep Kent, Sussex
William W G Fuller Jul Aug Sep 1920 Cranbrook Surrey,Kent
Joseph H H Fuller Jan Feb Mar 1921 Stroud Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Margaret Y Fuller Jul Aug Sep 1922 Stroud Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Patricia Fuller Apr May Jun 1925 Stroud Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Anne E Fuller Jul Aug Sep 1926 Stroud Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Pamela Fuller Jan Feb Mar 1931 Stroud Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Vivien D Fuller Oct Nov Dec 1933 Stroud Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Hello, I am the grandson of Kitty Fuller (nee Pope) daughter of Joseph Pope who was born in the High street Cinderford. Kitty was prolific (in true Pope tradition as would seem from the bits of the family tree I have seen)and had 10 Children including my mother. I would be very grateful for any family history you can share with me.
Best regards - Hedley Sutton

The above thread mentions this household

1841 Coleford Sparrowshill ?
John Pope abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Alfred Pope abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Harriet Pope abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire
Jesse Pope abt 1821 Newland Gloucestershire
Maria Pope abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Newland Gloucestershire"

I wonder if this Alfred was also a Tailor like his Cinderford descendants ?, based on this charming Obituary found within the Welsh Newspapers website;

From the Glamorgan Gazette of 10th April 1914

"The funeral of Mr Alfred Pope (85), a tailor of Lydney, took place in the parish churchyard at Lydney on Saturday. Mr Pope was a very active man, and up to two years ago reguarly rode his bicycle, and at 82 did 52 miles in one day upon his bicycle, and then challenged to ride, walk or box any man in the country at his age. He was a very in- teresting old gentleman, being of a most humane and kind-hearted disposition. The deceased was buried in his frock coat and collar."

see http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3885618/ART36/lydney

So Alfred died in 1914 aged 85, hence born abt 1830

His 1830 birth is confirmed by this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 266270
Entry_Number: 492
Year: 1914
Month: Apr
Day: 4
Surname: POPE
Forenames: Alfred
Residence: Lydney
Age_at_death: 84
Officiating_Minister: G Elliott
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/37
Page_No: 62
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: P100

I cannot find his Marriage Record, but the Census records via Ancestry show he was indeed a tailor in Lydney most of his life, since 1841 at least. Alfred was born in Minchinhampton Glos abt 1830, by the 1861 Census he was married to Mary (born Lydney c1824) with children Susan M (7y) and George B (9y), and by 1911 was a widow living at Willow Brook Villa, 3 New Road, Lydney.

Here is wife Mary, dates fit the Census data;

Record_ID: 27606
Entry_Number: 192
Year: 1885
Month: Aug
Day: 28
Surname: POPE
Forenames: Mary
Residence: Bath Road Lydney
Age_at_death: 62
Officiating_Minister: John J.Trollope
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/13
Page_No: 25
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: P100

Their Daughter Susan, from GlosBMD;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
POPE Susan Matilda POPE POPE SAUNDERS 1853 Forest of Dean Chepstow, Lydney 6 250
POPE Susan Matilda POPE POPE BAILEY 1853 Forest of Dean Chepstow, Lydney 6 250

I'm unable to trace Mary's birth or previous marriage records, or any other family records.

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UPDATE: Continued searching "Lydney" within the Welsh News site gave this story which appears to relate to Alfred's son, George B Pope.

From the Cardiff Evening Express of 7th May 1894;

"The Disappearance of an Overseer.
A week has now gone and there are no tidings of Mr. G. B. Pope, the assistant-overseer for Lydney, who failed last Monday morning to put in an appearance at the audit of his accounts at Chepstow. Mr. A.E. Clarke, the retiring overseer, who proceeded to Loudon early in the week, has not succeeded in gaining any intelligence about the missing man."

http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=posting&edit=45424&back=entry

????

I cannot find his Marriage Record, but the Census records via Ancestry show he was indeed a tailor in Lydney most of his life, since 1841 at least. Alfred was born in Minchinhampton Glos abt 1830, by the 1861 Census he was married to Mary (born Lydney c1824) with children Susan M (7y) and George B (9y), and by 1911 was a widow living at Willow Brook Villa, 3 New Road, Lydney.

Their Daughter Susan, from GlosBMD;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
POPE Susan Matilda POPE POPE SAUNDERS 1853 Forest of Dean Chepstow, Lydney 6 250
POPE Susan Matilda POPE POPE BAILEY 1853 Forest of Dean Chepstow, Lydney 6 250

I'm unable to trace Mary's birth or previous marriage records, or any other family records.

FreeBMD
Marriages Jun 1848
Surname First Name District Vol Page
Bailey George Chepstow 26 89
Saunders Mary Chepstow 26 89

FreeBMD
Deaths Dec 1852
Surname First Name District Vol Page
Bailey George Chepstow 11a 9

FreeBMD
Marriages Dec 1852
Surname First Name District Vol Page
Bailey Mary Chepstow 11a 46
Pope Alfred Chepstow 11a 46

Gloucestershire BMD Indexes
Simple Search Birth Details

Surname Forename Father Mother Mother's Former Name Year District Office
BAILEY George BAILEY BAILEY SAUNDERS 1851 F o Dean Chepstow,
Lydney
Register Entry
5 354

FreeBMD
Births Jun 1851
Surname First Name District Vol Page
Bailey George Chepstow 26 79

1851 Census taken 30 Mar 1851. On the return no children are shown. Ergo the FreeBMD index for Mar 1851 must be for another George Bailey with the above record being the only other in Chepstow District in 1851.

Ancestry England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

NAME: Alfred Pope
GENDER: Male
BIRTH DATE: 8 Sep 1829
BAPTISM DATE: 29 Aug 1831
BAPTISM PLACE: Wesleyan Methodist Chapel-NC, Minchinhampton, Gloucester
FATHER: Jno Pope
MOTHER: Swindaniah

The image shows Alfred's father Jno as a shoemaker, which is the same as the 1841 census return.

Thanks Paul for filling in the gaps, clearly the family were all talented craftsmen, seems a shame to me we don't seem to see their like nowadays.
Also for confirming the name Swindaniah, one of the more unusual I've ever come across. Googling shows the same name in other North Glos families, is it Biblical, or maybe Romany ??
(eg "other children Parthenia ,Esther, Swindaniah and Obediedom", see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=533306.0, also http://www.stiles-genealogy.co.uk/trees/stiles/d10.htm)

Apologies for my incorrect title on my initial post wrt "Alfred b1837", should have read 1830 of course.

Perhaps someone can please shed some light on the reported disappearance of George B Pope born Lydney abt 1852, I do hope he resurfaced with no harm done ?

atb J

Swyndonia - various alternatives for this christian name including Syndonia/Cindonia (various Fod Records e.g. Syndonia WILLIAMS christened at Lydney - 30 July 1786 - parents John & Ann

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD

Minchinhampton - 27 January 1816

John POPE and Swyndonia SMITH

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Ancestry (Public Members Trees on Ancestry also)

Swindoniah SMITH christened at Michinhampton - 20 April 1794 - parents John & Mary

GlosGen - has Michinhampton records

http://www.glosgen.co.uk/index.htm

Many other records worth searching for on Glosgen - i.e. Voluntary Aided Red Cross Hospitals 1914-18 inc Lydney and St briavels - and War Memorials etc

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Gloucestershire Baptism Index

Minchampton Holy Trinity

John & Swindoniah

Jesse James - 14 July 1822 - Cordwainer
John Alexander - 14 July 1822 ***

Emily - 2 November 1823

Ann - 5 July 1829 (Shoemaker)
Maria - 5 July 1829

Joseph - 18 June 1837 (Shoemaker)
Harriet - 18 June 1837

Gloucestershire Burial Index

Minchinhampton - 11 January 1818

Paul POPE aged 6 w - son of John & Swindonia

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Fod Records

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Burial at Newland - 20 March 1826

John Alexander POPE (residence, Coleford) age 7 years

son of John & Sindoniah

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1861 Census Minchampton

Littleworth

Swindaniah POPE - 67 wife of John Pope Cordwainer, born Minchampton (died 23 February 1869)
Earnest K AYERS - grandson - 3

and 1861 Census, Newland

John POPE, 72, Cordwainer, born Rodborough

1871 Newland

John POPE - 82, Shoemaker, born Rodbris Parish, Glos

Fod Records

Burial at Coleford Cemetary - 30 May 1873

John POPE, aged 85, (Shoemaker)

From the BNA, Gloucester Citizen Thursday 03 May 1894,

To summarize:-

An article which indicates he told the Overseers he was going to Newport on the Monday but would be in Chepstow for the audit. However, he did not arrive. No tidings were received until Tuesday when letters were received revealing that he was in London (but giving no address) and referring to the pain and distress his absence had caused. The audit went ahead but, apart from the books not being made up-to-date there was nothing else worthy of note in them. “It is feared that the assistant overseer has overwrought his brain by over-work. In addition to his Parish business, which was considerable……..Mr POPE has been the collector of the Imperial Taxes of Lydney and Tidenham, in addition to which he had just undertaken the collection of the Income Tax for West Dean……..”

The Bristol Mercury, Thursday, March 12, 1896

In April, 1894, Mr George Bentley Pope, assistant overseer of the parish of Lydney, disappeared, and with him went the whole of the rate books and other parish documents dealing with the rates. An accountant was employed to square matters, which cost the parish about £75, and one result was that many ratepayers, in spite of protestations that they had paid, failing the production of the receipt, had to pay again. The whereabouts of the official and his books remained a mystery. A few days ago it transpired that the books had been found. At the monthly meeting of the Parish Council at Lydney, held on Tuesday evening, Mr E. Loves, the chairman, read a letter from the Great Western Railway Company, who said there was a parcel of ratebooks lying at Paddington Station since April 30, 1894, and that the books could be handed over to the local authorities on payment of £2, dues accruing. This unexpected recovery of the books excited great interest in the Council and in the town, and it was mentioned that the overseers had determined to possess themselves of the missing books.

Well well, interesting stuff, thanks chaps !

So is there still a chance he's "done a runner" with the income tax cash, or have I misunderstood Mike's post ?

Searching Ancestry I see no mention after the 1891 Census, including on a Pope public tree.

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UPDATE: Googling his name produced this extremely detailed history of the Baileys of Littledean, the paragaph abt George Bailey Pope echos the above posts and finishes with

"Despite extensive enquiries, nothing further was ever heard again of George Bailey Pope after May 1, 1894."

It appears that this web-book is essential reading for all researchers of the "Baileys of Littledean"
http://www.whaite.com/family/oldbailey/ch03.htm

Well well, interesting stuff, thanks chaps !

So is there still a chance he's "done a runner" with the income tax cash, or have I misunderstood Mike's post ?

Not sure that he's done a runner. The report in 1894 does not mention discrepancies in the accounts, just that they had not been made up. After the accounts had been completed by the accountant there is no mention of an allegation against George Bentley/Bailey Pope.

Seems he had been overawed by the volume of work, perhaps today we would call it stress.

Have searched for a death in the name of Pope, Bentley and Bailey, but, can find nothing that seems appropriate. Searched for emigration/immigration without success. In 1901 his wife describes herself as married, in 1911 she is a widow. I believe if a person is missing over seven years then they can be regarded as deceased. This may be why his wife said she was a widow in 1911.

There are three trees on Ancestry with George Pope. They all call him George Bailey Pope. None have anything after May 1894.

Thanks Paul.
No I realise he's almost certainly not committed any crime, just my imagination getting carried away, as you say he appears to have just gone into hiding to "cool-off". Still rather worrying though that he seems to disappear forever, I do hope he lived-out the rest of his life safely. Thanks for checking for emigration etc, I'm sure he stayed in the UK and kept a watch over his family's wellbeing.

This should actually be George BAILEY Pope